Ezekiel's Detailed Vision of the Future - Jesus Millennial Temple

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I really do wish people would take the time to read first.

I spent about 6 months studying the book of Ezekiel and the supposedly "millennial Temple".

If a person would look logically at the chapters in question, you would see:

Eze. 40-43 is Ezekiels vision of the "Temple".

Then we have the two verse I showed.

Then following that is God's instructions of everything else.

But the "key" to it all hinges on 43:11!

Ezekiel was given a vision of a temple God was promising.

Then God tells Ezekiel to go to the top people, show them everything, write in their sight, and if they are ashamed, and promise to do as God said, then God would give to them a new Temple, a new priesthood, and new sacrificial system, etc.

Ezekiel was told:

"And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them."

Also remember that Ezekiel was in Babylon when he was given this vision. (2 Kgs. 24:11-16)

Also notice that Ezekiel records:

"all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof" but...these were not given...yet!

An error? No.

Simply put, Ezekiel was given a vision of a Temple, told to go to the leaders, write everything down in their sight, so they would "do them", then given the ordinances.

We know for a fact that Israel did not "be ashamed" because the only temple built was the one they started with the blessings of Cyrus, and which Herod finished.

We also see in chapter 40:1-4, nothing that indicates what follows is to be taken in the millennial sense.

Simply put, what Ezekiel saw, his vision of the new temple and new order, was one of God's "conditional promises". God's promise was a new temple and everything that followed, if Israel would be ashamed, and promise to "do them". Which sad to say, they did not.

And since Israel did not "do them", God is not obligated to fulfill His part of the bargin.

An example of one of God's "conditional promises":

"» Conditional promise: ". . . if you heed all that I command you, walk in My ways, and do what is right in My sight, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as My servant David did, then I will be with you and build for you an enduring house, as I built for David, and will give Israel to you" (I Kings 11:38). This is a remarkable promise. God says He will establish in Jeroboam a permanent dynasty over ten tribes if he keeps His covenant."

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Also, we see in Eze. 43:10-11, a clear indication that these promises were "conditional":

"And if they be ashamed of all that they have done"

No matter how you look at it, you cannot get around 43:11!

And, as shown also, Eze. 45:22 say specifically that there would be "sin-offering".

This is in direct conflict, and would under normal circumstances, create a contradiction to what the writer of Hebrews said:

"he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever...Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -Heb. 10: 12,18 (KJV)

If there are to be sin-offerings and sacrifices during the millennium, this contradicts what Hebrews says. So either Ezekiel's is a "conditional promise", or Hebrews is in error. And if in error, there is a contradiction in the scriptures. And if there is a contradiction, this renders the scriptures untrustworthy.

Sorry guys.

God Bless

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Rom.10:5 "Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: "The person who does these things will live by them."

Which applies to all of Israel/Jews who worship Judaism as I write.

A review of Dan.9:27/the seven year tribulation, yet to take place, reveals the HE who confirms a covenant/binding agreement, will break it in the middle of the week/3.5 years, set up an abomination of desolation in the temple and stop the sacrificing.

There are going to be two more temples built in Jerusalem. #3 is the tribulation temple and Exekiel's is the Millennial temple in 40-47, the 4th one, Jesus will build as recorded in Zech.6:12-13.

tribulation temple:
Matthew 24:15 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…
2 Thessalonians 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"
Revelation 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

The Millennial temple:

Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

Ezekiel 43:27 - …your priests will your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar, and I will accept you, declares the Lord.

Zechariah 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord

When Jesus sets up His Millennial kingdom, there will be multi-millions of unregenerated people present, in addition to those who all belong to Jesus where the sacrificing/sin offerings is not an issue

The original plan of God, was for His chosen people, Israel to teach all other people, nations and languages, about Him. As you know that did not work out at that time. It is likely, God's original plan will be put into effect during the Millennium for all those who will be made priests of for God and Christ, from the first resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6 , who, will teach every unregenerated person along with all newborns over 1,000 years, what the seven Holy Convocational feasts and festivals are all about. While this time, the Savior Himself, will be there, that each one of them represent in one way or another. Animal sin offerings do not take sins away. But this time, the Lord Jesus will be present who did and will.

From which I see no conflict whatever between the Milennial temple context in Ez.4-487 and the book of Hebrews.


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You might be interested in the following:

The difference in the dimensions of the Millennial temple as compared with the two previous ones:

There is a vast difference between the Temple described by Ezekiel and that of the other Temples. For example, Temple researcher and archeologist Dr. Randall Price highlights the vast grandeur of Ezekiel's Temple compared to the others. " One of the problems for many who seek to interpret Ezekiel's vision of the Temple literally is the problem of the immense size of the building (compared to the sizes of the First and Second Temples). According to Ezekiel's text, the millennial city of Jerusalem and the Temple will together encompass a 2,500 square-mile area. The portion reserved for the priests and Levites is some 50 miles, while the Temple courts will be one mile square. These dimensions are larger than those of the modern State of Israel." (Randall Price, The Temple and Bible Prophecy, p. 531).

The vast size of the temple has led some to interpret the Temple spiritually since the current physical landscape cannot hold the structures. However, God's work during the Great Tribulation provides ample descriptions of physical changes to the earth and the Temple proper will sit higher than any structure around. That currently is not the case, so the mountains surrounding the temple mount will be split (Zech. 13:4) and the Temple mount will rise (Zech. 14:10)

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This is one interpretation. One of the difficulties has been determining exactly the measurement of a cubit. Cubit - Wikipedia

If you read the description carefully, the upper stories are larger than the lower stories. Are these merely cantilevered outward or are they supported in some manner?
 
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Rom.10:5 "Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: "The person who does these things will live by them."

Which applies to all of Israel/Jews who worship Judaism as I write.

A review of Dan.9:27/the seven year tribulation, yet to take place, reveals the HE who confirms a covenant/binding agreement, will break it in the middle of the week/3.5 years, set up an abomination of desolation in the temple and stop the sacrificing.

There are going to be two more temples built in Jerusalem. #3 is the tribulation temple and Exekiel's is the Millennial temple in 40-47, the 4th one, Jesus will build as recorded in Zech.6:12-13.

tribulation temple:
Matthew 24:15 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…
2 Thessalonians 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"
Revelation 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

The Millennial temple:

Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

Ezekiel 43:27 - …your priests will your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar, and I will accept you, declares the Lord.

Zechariah 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord

When Jesus sets up His Millennial kingdom, there will be multi-millions of unregenerated people present, in addition to those who all belong to Jesus where the sacrificing/sin offerings is not an issue

The original plan of God, was for His chosen people, Israel to teach all other people, nations and languages, about Him. As you know that did not work out at that time. It is likely, God's original plan will be put into effect during the Millennium for all those who will be made priests of for God and Christ, from the first resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6 , who, will teach every unregenerated person along with all newborns over 1,000 years, what the seven Holy Convocational feasts and festivals are all about. While this time, the Savior Himself, will be there, that each one of them represent in one way or another. Animal sin offerings do not take sins away. But this time, the Lord Jesus will be present who did and will.

From which I see no conflict whatever between the Milennial temple context in Ez.4-487 and the book of Hebrews.


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Here again, you ignore scripture.

Hebrews 10 and Eze. 43:11 make your view invalid. PERIOD!

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" -2 Tim. 4:3 (KJV)

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Here again, you ignore scripture.

Hebrews 10 and Eze. 43:11 make your view invalid. PERIOD!

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" -2 Tim. 4:3 (KJV)

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What you are off about is claiming The Scripture I posted og Rom.10:5 is false. That those of Judaism must live by the lawthey are still under.

There is NOTHING false about it!


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What you are off about is claiming The Scripture I posted og Rom.10:5 is false. That those of Judaism must live by the lawthey are still under.

There is NOTHING false about it!


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There is no Law, Jesus fulfilled it.

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There is no Law, Jesus fulfilled it.

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Those who worship Judaism live by the law, as I told you before. They have not yet accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Capiche?


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Those who worship Judaism live by the law, as I told you before. They have not yet accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Capiche?


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Does not matter.

Hebrews 10 says the sacrifice ended. Period.

God would not, nor will not re-institute the sacrifice.

Eze. 45:22 says they will offer sacrifices for a "sin-offering".

Hebrews 10 says specifically that the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sin.

And again, you still ignore what Ezekiel wrote in 43:11.

And nothing you say can prove that Israel either then, or in the future will "do them".

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One more problem.

It is evident, that you adhere somewhat to a dispensational view of a lieral interpretation.

Here's an argument against:

"WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD​

At the same time, Taylor is also critical of the literal eschatological view,

If it follows from this that Old Testament festivals, blood sacrifices, priesthood and worship at a temple are to be reintroduced, after the New Testament revelation of Christ and his finished, fulfilling work, it shows how completely this view misinterprets the significance of Christ’s salvation and how it casts doubt on the consistency of God’s dealings with mankind.[25]

Scholars like Walther Eichrodt are so disillusioned by the inconsistency and strangeness of the Ezekiel 40-48 that he writes, “The interpretation will have to show whether any of these various explanations is capable of accounting for this picture of salvation as a whole; or whether they are all upset by the basic contradictions in the way in which it is constituted, so that it is an illusion to think of its having any unity as a whole.”[26] While one should be strongly cautioned and discouraged from taking this position and dismissing Ezekiel, there is some legitimate concern over how Ezekiel’s Temple meshes with New Testament revelation, especially when it concerns the reinstitution of Old Covenant sacrifices.

What are these sacrifices and what are their function? This is where the literal eschatological camp begins to show cracks in its solidarity. Some want to say the sacrifices are a memorial, others a cleansing ritual, others that literal sacrifices won’t occur, and some radical dispensationalist even insist on a return to a Old Covenant relationship. Perhaps Anthony Hoekema is right when he levels this criticism of those who want to avoid literal sacrifices,

” If the sacrifices are not to be taken literally, why should we take the temple literally? It would seem that the dispensational principle of the literal interpretation of Old Testament prophecy is here abandoned, and that a crucial foundation stone for the entire dispensational system has here been set aside!”[27]

Block totally dismisses the notion of sacrifices altogether,

Interpreted in light of the sacrifice of Christ, Christians may rejoice because: (a) have a mediator superior in quality and effectiveness than Moses and Ezekiel; (b)they have a permanent high priest who has direct access to the heavenly throne of God and who offers intercession on their behalf; (c) the blood of a perfectly unblemished sacrifice has purchased favor with God, and eliminated the need for any further sacrifices.[28]

To be fair to the literal eschatological camp, the non-literal camp (especially the Reformed part) has a history of both assimilating the Old Testament too much into the New Testament church (e.g. state church) and simply dismissing Jewish influence and future fulfillment as even worth consideration (post-millennialism and amillennialism). There are various ways proposed to solve the sacrificial problem; even though they are listed above, it is worth considering each option.

Thomson is a main proponent of the memorial view of the sacrifices, he writes,

“These sacrifices will be a memorial of the love and grace which provided a Savior at infinite cost, just as the Lord’s Supper is also a memorial ’till he come.'”[29]

John Walvoord agrees,

“It is evident from the Scripture that Christ actively rules, requires the nations of the world to conform to His rule, and observe the religious rites which characterize the millennial kingdom.”[30]

However, another literal futurist, Jerry Hullinger, reveals the weakness of this view,

On the surface this solution seems to solve the problem. However, a number of objections can be raised against it. First, Ezekiel nowhere stated or even hinted at the idea that these sacrifices will be memorial in nature. Second, Ezekiel specifically wrote that these offerings will make atonement (45:15, 17, 20). The word for “atonement” in Ezekiel is the same as the word used in Leviticus. Third, the parallel between sacrifices and the Lord’s Supper intimates that animal sacrifices had no efficacy whatsoever.[31]

Hullinger offers his own view of the sacrifices; for him it is matter of understanding the Hebrew word, “kipper” meaning atonement. He begins to discuss the many differences in opinion concerning the meaning of the word:

the Aramaic root meaning, “to cover,” the Aramaic root meaning, “to propitiate”, and the Akkadian root meaning, “to clean or to purge.”[32]

He comes down on the side of the Akkadian and reconciles Ezekiel 40-48 and Hebrews 9:9-14 in this manner,

"Hebrews 9:10 and 13 state that the Levitical offerings were related to “food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body,” and the sprinkling of blood so as to sanctify and purify the flesh. Animal sacrifices were efficacious in removing ceremonial uncleanness. While Christ is superior, the fact should not be lost that animal sacrifices did in the earthly sphere cleanse the flesh and remove outward defilement."[33]

It is interesting to attest that animal sacrifices were indeed efficacious in the Old Testament era, especially when they are often described as just symbols or anticipatory icons. That is exactly how Steven Tuell sees Ezekiel’s Temple,

“Here, Zion functions in manner very much like the icon in Eastern Orthodoxy…in ancient Israel the temple itself appears understood as a means of experiencing God.”[34]

Though perhaps being anachronistic, Tuell reveals the level of significance most interpreters put on the Old Testament religious system.

The final understanding of the reinstitution of sacrifices is a complete dismissal of literal sacrifice while accepting a literal temple. Dr. Gary Yates, on his blog “Tohu Vobahu,” advocates this view; he writes,

One can see a future temple in Jerusalem in the millennial kingdom without there necessarily being animal sacrifices as in the OT era. The people of Ezekiel’s day could not imagine proper worship of God without sacrifices, but a return to animal sacrifice in the millennial kingdom would represent a strange salvation-historical regression in light of the perfection and finality of Christ’s sacrifice for sin (cf. Heb 9:11-15, 23-28; 10:5-14).[35]

This explanation could very well be true, but it is open to attack from critics like Hoekema, who call their bluff on being arbitrary with interpretation. Luckily, Whitcomb comes to the rescue of his comrades,

Hoekema’s objection is well taken. However, he assumes, along with many nondispensational theologians, that animal sacrifices in the millennium would involve a reinstitution of the Mosaic economy, just as if Christ had never died.[36]

He also quotes F.F. Bruce, who will have the last word on the subject:

"the blood of slaughtered animals under the old order did possess a certain efficacy, but it was an outward efficacy for the removal of ceremonial pollution. . . . They could restore [the worshipper] to formal communion with God and with his fellow-worshippers. . . . Just how the blood of sacrificed animals or the ashes of a red heifer effected a ceremonial cleansing our author does not explain; it was sufficient for him, and no doubt for his readers, that the Old Testament ascribed this efficacy to them.[37]

[25] Taylor, 247.
[26] Eichrodt, 531.
[27] Anthony A. Hoekema, The Bible and the Future, (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1979), 204.
[28] Block, 613.
[29] Thomson, 239.
[30] John F Walvoord, Israel in Prophecy., Reprint ed. (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1974), 124.
[31] Jerry Hullinger, “The Problem of Animal Sacrifices in Ezekiel 40-48,” Bibliotheca Sacra 152, no. 607 (1995): 280.
[32] Ibid., 282-283.
[33] Ibid., 288.
[34] Steven Tuell, “Ezekiel 40-42 as Verbal Icon,” The Catholic Biblical Quarterly 58, no. 4 (1996): 661.
[35] Gary Yates, “Future Temple and Future Kingdom,” tohu vabohu, entry posted December 4, 2009, tohu vabohu: Future Temple and Future Kingdom (accessed October 9, 2011)."
[36] John Whitcomb, “Christ’s Atonement and Sacrifices in Israel,” PreTrib Research Center, http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Whitcomb-Ezekiel40thru48andMi.pdf (accessed October 9, 2011).
[37] F.F. Bruce, Epistle to the Hebrews (New International Commentary On the New Testament) (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1964), 201, 204.

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Now it does not take a biblical scholar to read and see that strickly speaking, reading Ezekiel, specifically the last nine chapters, ritual sacrificing will be re-introduced, provided you ignore the scriptures of the New Testament.

I do acknowledge that sacrificing in the Old Testament, did do certain things, but there were at least two things it could never ever do and that was cleanse from sin, and it could never declare one righteous. Sacrificing in the Old Testament served, for lack of a better word, served as a blanket, it covered ones sins, but it could never wash them away as does Christ's precious shed blood does!

And not to mention, the last nine chapters of Ezekiel does re-introduce the "Torah" in if even a limited fashion. But even this would, if one takes a strickly literal interpretation, contradict the Apostle Paul.

Eze. 45:22 declares that anybody, Jew or Gentile would have to submit to circumcision to even enter the Temple.

Paul says:

"I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law." -Gal. 5:2-3 (KJV)

This also contradicts the notion of a limited "Torah" during the millennium. Paul says the "whole law" not a limited Law, but the whole 613 precepts of the Law.

It would also make this statement:

"animal sacrifices in the millennium would involve a reinstitution of the Mosaic economy, just as if Christ had never died"

True!

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There is no Law, Jesus fulfilled it.

God Bless

Till all are one.


What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., “to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.


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Does not matter.

Hebrews 10 says the sacrifice ended. Period.

God would not, nor will not re-institute the sacrifice.

Eze. 45:22 says they will offer sacrifices for a "sin-offering".

Hebrews 10 says specifically that the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sin.

And again, you still ignore what Ezekiel wrote in 43:11.

And nothing you say can prove that Israel either then, or in the future will "do them".

God Bless

Till all are one.


Review the following Scriptures refuting your dogmatic opinions:

Why will there be animal sacrifices and Feast days and the Sabbath reinstituted in the Millennium period?

Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

Zech 14:16-18 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

v.21 “Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.”

Isaiah also says, Isaiah 56:7 “Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

Isa 66:23 "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. Isa. 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Sabbath, it also teaches we will keep the New Moon festival! This is on earth in the Millennium period- not in heaven."

If the Sabbath and feast days and the sacrifices are done away with in Christ how do we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions? How can there be a return to the sacrificial system without taking away from the meritorious sacrifice of Christ?

Millennial Israel will have at its center the Temple. Sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), will continually be done during the Kingdom Age (Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15).The millennial offerings are distinctly Jewish nature, of Jewish history and will be administered by Jews, their commemorative purpose will be embraced by Gentiles who will join in celebration of the millennial King who will be on earth. This is made clear in Zechariah 8 v.23, 'In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him who is a Jew, saying, We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you'.

It will some similarities to Mosaic system and some new features. So it should not be mistaken for a reinstitution of Mosaic law system, since Moses sacrificial system did not take away sin but Jesus' last sacrifice did.

The problem is easily solved if we view them as being COMMEMORATIVE rather than EFFICACIOUS.

The sacrifices will be a memorial, just as communion is practiced today looking back. They will not be propitiation, or effacacious (they will have no power to redeem) but are a reminder of what took place. The reason this will be instituted is because there will be many unbelievers born in the Millennial period, they will be sinners that will need to understand the sacrifice Christ did. Since his sacrifice is the final one, that cannot be repeated the types he fulfilled will be illustrative of his accomplishment. Just as the church is commanded to continue the Lord's Supper until he comes.

In Isa. 53 the Servant of Jehovah’s sacrifice puts an end to all animals sacrifices. Just as the Old Testament sacrifices pointed forward to Christ, and found their fulfillment in the supreme efficacious sacrifice of Christ, so the millennial sacrifices will look back in commemorative fulfillment in the same manner. In other words, the sacrifices will be symbols to the millennial population of the prior sacrifice of Christ. Just as the church is commanded to continue the Lord's Supper until He comes, they will continue in these because He has come. It will also give testimony of his faithfulness to the Jews for whom he first gave these commands to.

The new moon festivals, the feast of tabernacles, and the Sabbaths, were set times among the Hebrews (not Gentiles) for the worship of God; in the Millennium these will be used as the reminders for the assembly of worship as God will be celebrated in all nations. As all Israel assembled in Jerusalem for the three great feasts under the Old Testament law of Moses, representatives of the nations will journey to Jerusalem every new moon and every Sabbath. The new moon was observed with sacrifices. The Sabbath will be kept by the Gentiles which also includes sacrifices; The Mosaic Law forbid Gentile to enter in the Temple (Deut.231-8), but it will be permitted by the new Law instituted by Christ in the Millennium (Ezek.46:1-5).The Gentiles will show their commitment to the covenant by keeping the Sabbath and the Feast days, thus having fellowship with God.

So, far from being contradictory, the millennial sacrificial system will be instituted as a commemorative celebration of the completeness of the last and efficacious sacrifice of our Saviour, Jesus Christ our Lord and redeemer. The temple will truly become a house of prayer for all nations.

Why will there be animal sacrifices and Feast days and the Sabbath reinstituted in the Millennium period?

See also: http://www.jewishroots.net/library/end- ... fices.html


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What does it mean that Jesus fulfilled the law, but did not abolish it?

In Matthew’s record of what is commonly called the Sermon on the Mount, these words of Jesus are recorded: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished” (Matthew 5:17-18).

It is frequently argued that if Jesus did not “abolish” the law, then it must still be binding. Accordingly, such components as the Sabbath-day requirement must be operative still, along with perhaps numerous other elements of the Mosaic Law. This assumption is grounded in a misunderstanding of the words and intent of this passage. Christ did not suggest here that the binding nature of the law of Moses would remain forever in effect. Such a view would contradict everything we learn from the balance of the New Testament (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:15).

Of special significance in this study is the word rendered “abolish.” It translates the Greek term kataluo, literally meaning “to loosen down.” The word is found seventeen times in the New Testament. It is used, for example, of the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Romans (Matthew 26:61; 27:40; Acts 6:14), and of the dissolving of the human body at death (2 Corinthians 5:1). The term can carry the extended meaning of “to overthrow,” i.e., “to render vain, deprive of success.” In classical Greek, it was used in connection with institutions, laws, etc., to convey the idea of “to invalidate.”

It is especially important to note how the word is used in Matthew 5:17. In this context, “abolish” is set in opposition to “fulfill.” Christ came “...not to abolish, but to fulfill.” Jesus did not come to this earth for the purpose of acting as an opponent of the law. His goal was not to prevent its fulfillment. Rather, He revered it, loved it, obeyed it, and brought it to fruition. He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44). Christ fulfilled the demands of the Mosaic law, which called for perfect obedience under threat of a “curse” (see Galatians 3:10, 13). In this sense, the law’s divine design will ever have an abiding effect. It will always accomplish the purpose for which it was given.

If, however, the law of Moses bears the same relationship to men today, in terms of its binding status, then it was not fulfilled, and Jesus failed at what He came to do. On the other hand, if the Lord did accomplish His goal, then the law was fulfilled, and it is not a binding legal institution today. Further, if the law of Moses was not fulfilled by Christ—and thus remains as a binding legal system for today—then it is not just partially binding. Rather, it is a totally compelling system. Jesus plainly said that not one “jot or tittle” (representative of the smallest markings of the Hebrew script) would pass away until all was fulfilled. Consequently, nothing of the law was to fail until it had completely accomplished its purpose. Jesus fulfilled the law. Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.


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Form my paper: "The Christian and The Law, A Modern Day Look at Legalism":

"The Abolition of Torah

Some scholars who stress the abolition of Torah in Paul contend that the positive statements on fulfilling Torah in Paul do not indicate that external commandments are still binding for the Christians.[18] They emphasize instead that the believer naturally fulfills God’s will by the power of the Spirit, and that “law” is for Paul counterproductive to authentic Christian experience. Probably the best defense of this view is found in an article by S. Westerholm, who presents the following arguments:[19]

1. When Paul says Christians are not under law (Rom. 6.14; 1 Cor. 9.20, etc.), he means that Christians are not under any obligation or constraint to do or observe what the law commands. 2. That Paul thought the law did not have to be obeyed is clear from his attitude toward food laws (Rom. 14.14, 20; cf. Leviticus 11; Deut. 14.3-21), and his stance toward observing festival days and the Sabbath (Rom. 14.5; Gal. 4.10). 3. Even though the phrase “everything is lawful“ in 1 Cor. 6.12 and 10.23 is not a full description of Pauline ethics, Paul’s qualifying explanation shows that he avoids speaking of any obligation upon the Christian to do what the law demands. 4. The Christian cannot concretely discover God’s will in the law, but must discover it by giving himself to God (Rom. 12.1-2; Phil. 1.9f.), by testing what is excellent, and by the renewal of the mind. 5. Paul does speak of fulfilling the law, but the point here is not that one is bound to fulfill the concrete demands of the law; rather, such obedience is the natural result of life in the Spirit. Furthermore, Paul usually distinguishes between “doing” the law and “fulfilling” it; the latter more indirect way of expressing obedience is preferable for Paul.

Although Westerholm rightly stresses the role of the Spirit, and the importance of the believer’s testing and proving the will of God, he wrongly downplays the place of external commandments in Pauline ethics. l. Both W. Schrage and T.J. Deidun have demonstrated conclusively that concrete external commandments are still binding for Paul,[20] for the Pauline parenesis shows that he is not content with simply saying that God wants a person to be committed fully to him. Instead, Paul demands that this obedience be expressed concretely.
The Spirit and the Word work in harmony for Paul (Gal. 3.2; Rom.10.16-17).39 In 1 Cor. 6.18-19 Paul commands the Corinthians to flee “inappropriate contenteia” but in the same context he speaks of the presence of the Spirit.

Thus, Westerholm’s generalizing conclusions on Pauline ethics are unconvincing. But are his particular statements on the relationship of the Mosaic law to ethics more accurate? Although this issue is more difficult, his arguments are not conclusive here either. l. What Paul means when he says Christians are not under law (1 Cor. 9.21; Rom. 6.14; Gal. 3.23; cf. 3.25; 4.3-5) will be explained shortly, but he does not mean that all OT commands are unbinding and matters of adiaphora. The commandments cited from the Decalogue in Rom 13.9 illustrate that these commandments are still externally binding for the Christian. To be sure, they cannot be fulfilled apart from love, but love cannot be manifested apart from the commandments either (cf. Gal. 5.14), i.e. no one can claim to be practicing love and be involved in adultery at the same time. In 1 Cor. 14.34 Paul supports his restriction on the women at Corinth by appealing to the OT.[21]

Westerholm rightly cites texts which show that Paul was indifferent about some OT laws (cf. Rom.14.14, 20; Gal. 4.9-10), and concludes that the OT law is not authoritative for Paul. Nevertheless, all his citations prove is that some of the OT law was not binding for Paul. The phrase “panta moi exestin” (“all things are lawful for me”) in 1 Cor. 6.12 and 10.23 seems to indicate that Paul’s stance toward the law was lax, but the precise phrase is probably a citation of the opponents’ argument.41 What is more pertinent, moreover, is the context of that statement. Paul is not baldly agreeing that “all things are lawful”; rather, he is speaking of adiaphora.[22] Paul certainly does not think that “all things are lawful” because in this very context he forbids “inappropriate contenteia” (“sexual immorality”). 4. Westerholm’s distinction between “doing” and “fulfilling” the law is tenuous. If Paul is speaking of Christian obedience in Rom. 2.25-29,43 then he uses the verbs “prassein”(“to do”),“julassein” (“to guard”), and “telein” (“to keep”) to describe that obedience. 5. Lastly, while the claim that believers naturally fulfill the claims of the law by the Spirit has an element of truth, it is not sufficiently nuanced. For if Paul thought that believers would naturally obey the entire law by the Spirit, then why did he give any commands at all? Paul must have believed that concrete parenesis, and yes even binding and obligatory statements (1 Cor. 7.l0ff ) were necessary for Christians. And that they were even necessary for Christians who were progressing well in the faith is indicated by 1 Thess. 4.1-8. Thus one should not conclude that parenesis is only intended for weaker Christians.

Liberation From the Law

But if the Sinai covenant has been abolished, as was argued above contra Cranfield, then how can the above criticisms of Westerholm stand? Here it is crucial to make a very important distinction. When Paul says that Christians are no longer under law (Gal. 3.23-25; 4.4S, 21;1 Cor. 9.20; Rom.6.14-15), that they are released from the law through the death of Christ (Rom. 7.1-6), that the law was an interim period in salvation history (Gal. 3.15ff ), that the Mosaic “diakonia” is impermanent and has come to an end (2 Cor. 3.7ff; cf. Rom.10.4) he means that the Mosaic law in terms of the Mosaic covenant has ceased.[23] The Mosaic covenant was intended by God to be in force for a certain period of salvation history (Gal. 3.15ff; 2 Cor. 3.7ff ), but it was always subsidiary to the covenant with Abraham, for the promise to bless all people would only become a reality through the promise to Abraham and the seed of Abraham (Gal. 3.8, 16; cf. Gen. 12.3; 18.18-19; 22.18; 26.4; 28.14).

What does it mean, though, to say that the Mosaic covenantis abolished, and yet the ethical commands from the same law are binding? The insights of the “new perspective” on Paul[24] should be included at this point. It has already been noted that Paul contended that Gentile Christians did not have to obey the entire OT law, but what is remarkable is that the laws which Paul specifically excludes, as Sanders and Dunn have pointed out, focus on circumcision (Gal. 2.3ff.; 5.2ff.; 6.15; 1 Cor. 7.19; Rom. 2.25-29; 4.9-12; Phil. 3.3), food laws (Gal. 2.llff.; Romans 14-15; 1 Corinthians 8-10), and the observance of certain days (Gal. 4.10; Rom. 14.5f.; cf. Col. 2.16f.).[25] Now it is precisely these practices that separated Jews from Gentiles in the Greco-Roman world. It is well known that these particular practices were the object of scorn and curiosity in the Greco-Roman world, and that they distinguished the Jews from the Gentiles.[26] For Paul the Mosaic covenant was of such a character that it separated Jews and Gentiles. The promise to bless all nations which was contained in the OT was to be fulfilled in and through the Abrahamic covenant, not through the Mosaic covenant. Of course, for Paul this did not mean that the Mosaic covenant was evil; instead, the Mosaic covenant had only a temporary role in salvation history.

To sum up: Paul spoke against particular ritual practices in the Mosaic covenant which separated the Jews from the Gentiles because it was these practices which uniquely characterized that covenant, and uniquely characterized the Jews.[27] Now that Christ the seed of Abraham (Gal. 3.16) had arrived and had taken upon himself the curse of the law (Gal. 3.13) the Mosaic covenant was no longer in force for those who had believed in Christ. The new era had dawned, and the blessings of the new age were now available to all nations.

But if the above explanation is correct, then why does Paul speak of the condemnation of the law,
of sin being provoked by the law, of sin increasing because of the law, and of the believer dying to the law through the death of Christ (Gal. 2.15ff; 3.10-13,19, 22; Rom. 5.20; 7.1-25; 1 Cor. 15.56; 2 Cor. 3.7ff? These texts seem to imply that the dissolution of the law is necessary because through the law sin is provided with a bridgehead and even increases in its power. This would also suggest that the problem with the Mosaic law was not only cultural and ethnic, i.e. that it created a distinction between Jews and Gentiles, but the law also had an intrinsic problem, namely that because of sin it ended up producing more unrighteousness.

Therefore, one could infer, as Westerholm seems to, that the law as a whole must be abolished in order to counter sin. Furthermore, Paul’s statement about the law producing transgressions in Gal. 3.19 must refer to more than just transgressions in the ritual sphere, but it must also include transgressions in the moral sphere as well (cf. Rom. 5.20; 7.7ff ). And this would suggest that it is improper to limit the dissolution of the Mosaic covenant to the particular ritual practices which distinguish Jews from Gentiles.

It would seem to prove that the whole law is abolished now that Christ has come (see Gal. 3.1525; 4.1-7), not just the ritual aspect of the Mosaic law. The above objections can be satisfactorily answered. Doubtless Paul sees a close relationship between the law and sin, but he never sees a problem with the law per se (Rom 7.12, 14; Gal. 3.21). The problem is with the flesh or with sin which use the law to produce sin (Rom. 7.8,11,14,17-18, 24). Thus, when Paul speaks of release from the law (Rom. 7.6) he is not implying that all external law is counterproductive for Christians. The point is that the person in the flesh cannot obey the law of God (Rom. 7.14-25; 8.5-8). The problem is not with the law, but with sin and the flesh. So the necessity of freedom from the law which Paul speaks of must be carefully explained. Believers need freedom from the law in this sense because they cannot obey it, because they are in slavery to sin. However, in the new age the power of the Spirit makes obedience to the law possible (Rom. 8.4). Thus, when Paul relates sin and the law to each other, he has the moral demands of the law in mind, and he does argue that the person who is in the flesh cannot obey the law and therefore is condemned (Gal. 3.10-13), but his solution is not to do away with all external commands. He asserts that Christians by the power of the Spirit can now fulfill what the law demands.[28]

Thus, Paul had at least two things in mind when he spoke of the dissolution of the Mosaic covenant. The nature of that covenant was such that it divided Jews from Gentiles, and thus the covenant was intrinsically nationalistic. With the arrival of Christ the time of particularism was over and now the universal blessing promised to Abraham was available for all nations. But Paul conjoins with this another thought, namely, the idea that those under the law are under a curse (Gal. 3.1x13), that to be under the law is to be under sin (Gal. 3.21-25; Rom. 6.1415; 7.1-6), and that the commandments of the law even provoke one to sin (Rom. 7.7ff.), and that the power of sin is found in the law (1 Cor. 15.56). Paul is still using a salvation-historical argument here, for in his mind obedience to the law was simply impossible for those who did not have the Spirit, who were dominated by the flesh (Rom. 8.5-8). But Paul strains to make it clear in Rom. 7.7ff. that he sees no intrinsic problem with the content of the law. The commandment is still from God; the problem is the lack of power to dowhat God has commanded.

Thus, Paul can speak of being liberated from the law in two senses. 1. It can signify liberation
from the Mosaic covenant which contains rites that are particularly Jewish and therefore leads to a separation between Jews and Gentiles. 2. It can also signify liberation from the power of sin which uses the law as a bridgehead. But now that the age of the Spirit has arrived and Christ has broken the power of sin by his death, the age of slavery to sin has ended. Paul does not carefully distinguish these two notions of liberation from the Mosaic law because they were inextricably intertwined in the era before the descent of the Spirit, the fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant, and the death and resurrection of Christ. Before the new age arrived the Mosaic covenant erected barriers between Jews and Gentiles by requiring Gentiles to be circumcised, to observe certain days, and to keep the food laws. What I am suggesting, of course, is that there is a distinction in Paul’s mind between the ritual and moral law. The dissolution of the Mosaic covenant also implies the abolition of practices, such as circumcision, Sabbath, and food laws, which separated Jews from Gentiles. On the other hand, Paul still thinks that the universal moral norms contained in the Mosaic laws are authoritative for the church. Believer by faith in the power of the Sprit can obey the moral norms of the OT law. Thus, when Paul says believers are not under the law, he s not saying that they are liberated from all moral norms. Such a distinction between the moral and ritual law is still held by some scholars,[29] but it is rejected by most.

Continued...

[1] Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism (1711) 3.66.

[2] For a survey of recent research see D J. Moo, “Paul and the Law in the Last Ten Years,” SJT 40 (1987): 287-307. O. Kuss (“Nomos bei Paulus,” MThZ 17 [1966]: 177-210) has a helpful summary of older literature on Paul and the law.

[3] H. Räisänen, Paul and the Law (Tübingen: J.C.B. Mohr,1983; reprint, Philadelphia: Fortress, 1986). He sees inconsistencies in many other areas of the Pauline theology of the law as well. A J. M. Wedderburn (“Article Review: Paul and the Law,” SJT 38 [1985]: 613-22) thinks Räisänen’s case is convincing.

[4] J .D. G. Dunn, “Works of Law and the Curse of the Law,” NTS 31 (1985): 523-24; cf. here the comments of P. Stuhlmacher, “Paul’s Understanding of the Law in the Letter to the Romans,” SEA 80 (1985): 102-103.

[5] Räisänen Paul and the Law, 68.

[6] Ibid

[7] C. K Barrett, A Commentary on the First Epistle to the Corinthians (HNTC; New York: Harper & Row, 1968), 169; cf. G .D. Fee, The First Epistle to the Corinthians (NICNT; Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1987), 312-14.

[8] In Galatians, according to H. Hübner (Law in Paul’s Thought [ET: Edinburgh; T. & T. Clark, 1984], 148-49), Paul rejects the law totally, but in Romans he rejects only the misuse and abuse of the law. J. W. Drane perceives Paul’s view on the law in Galatians to be close to libertinism, while he veers dangerously close to legalism in 1 Corinthians. In 2 Corinthians, however, Paul is on the road to a balanced statement between these two extremes, and this balanced statement finds its definitive expression in Romans (Paul Libertine or Legalist? A Study of the Theology of the Major Pauline Epistles [London: SPCK, 1975]). Cf. F. Hahn who maintains that for Paul the law only relates to Jews in Galatia, but in Romans Paul now sees the law relating to all, both Jews and Gentiles (“Das Gesetzesverständnis im Römer- und Galaterbrief,” [8]NW 67 [1976]: 59-60). Wilckens (“Entwicklung”) also sees Paul as coming to amore balanced position on the law from Galatians to Romans.

[9] For a critique of the notion of development in Pauline theology an older article by J. Lowe is still helpful (“An Examination of Attempts to Detect Developments in St. Paul’s Theology,” JTS 42 [1941]: 129-42). See also Räisänen, Paul and the Law, 7-10.

[10] So Drane, Paul, pp.140-43.

[11] So Hübner (Law in Paul’s Thought, 63) who, despite this, says there was at least a significant period of time between Galatians and Romans. See J. Hall, “Paul, the Lawyer on the Law,” Journal of Law and Religion 3 (1985): 370-76, for a critique of Hübner.

[12] Räisänen, Paul and the Law, 9.

[13] The identity of the adversaries in Galatia continues to be debated. For a recent treatment see B. H. Brinsmead, Galatians-Dialogical Response to Opponents (Chico: Scholars, 1982). That the opponents were Judaizers still seems most probable. So e.g. F. F. Bruce, “Galatian Problems 3: The ‘Other’ Gospel,” BJRL 53 (1970-71): 253-71.

[14] C. E. B. Cranfield, “St Paul and the Law,” SJT 17 (1964): 55, 60-66; idem, A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans (ICC; Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1975-1979), 853, 857-61; C. F. D. Moule, “Obligation in the Ethic of Paul,” Christian History and Interpretation: Studies Presented to John Knox (ed. W. R. Farmer, C .F. D. Moule, and R. R. Niebuhr; Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1967), 391-93; C. H. Cosgrove, “The Mosaic Law Teaches Faith: A Study in Galatians 3WTJ 41 (1978-79): 146-64; D. P. Fuller, Gospel and Law: Contrast or Continuum? (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1982), 65-120, 199-204.

[15] Ibid

[16] R. H. Gundry (“Grace, Works and Staying Saved in Paul,” Bib 66 [1985]: 1-38) convincingly argues that legalism was a problem which Paul opposed.

[17] Cf. Räisänen (Paul and the Law, 42-50) and D. J. Moo (“’Law’, ‘Works of the Law’, and ‘Legalism in Paul,’” WTJ 45 [1983]: 85-88) for a critique of Cranfield’s thesis.

[18] S. R. Westerholm, “Letter and Spirit: The Foundation of Pauline Ethics,” NTS 30 (1984): 229-48; idem, “The Law and the ‘Just Man’ (1 Tim 1, 3-11),” ST 36 (1982): 79-95; idem, “Fulfilling the Whole Law,” 229-37; F. F. Bruce, “Paul and the Law of Moses,” BJRL 57 (1975): 259-79; Belleville, “Under Law,” 53-78, esp. 70-71.

[19] Westerholm, “Letter and Spirit,” see esp.): 242ff.

[20] Schrage, Einzelgebote; Deidun, New Covenant, esp. 188-217.

[21] The text is often suspected of being an interpolation (see the recent discussion by Fee, First Corinthians, 699ff), but contra Fee et al. the evidence for an interpolation is not impressive. Such a theory should only be embraced as a last resort. The manuscript evidence overwhelmingly favors the inclusion of the verses. Fee claims (p. 700) that no one would insert the text after v. 40 because all agree that the placement of the text is Logical here. But such a statement assumes what cannot, in fact, be proven. Some copyists may not have thought the text was logically placed, and they may not have understood it as well as Fee thinks they would have.

[22] Schrage, Einzelgebote, 57-58; Fee, First Corinthians, 252.

[23] Cf. Moo, “Works of the Law,” 88-89.

[24] To borrow J. D. G. Dunn’s term (“The New Perspective on Paul,” BJRL 65 [1983]: 95-122).

[25] Dunn, “New Perspective,” 107-10, 114-15; idem, “Works of Law,” 524ff.; E. P. Sanders, Paul, the Law, and the Jewish People (Philadelphia: Fortress, 1983), 100-03. Nevertheless, Dunn’s attempt to limit “works of law” to these identity markers is not successful. For a more convincing explanation see Moo, “Works of Law,” 90-99; cf. H. Räisänen’s (“Galatians 2.16 and Paul’s Break with Judaism,” NTS 31 [1985]: 543-53) criticism of Dunn.

[26] M. Stern, Greek and Latin Authors on Jews and Judaism (Jerusalem: Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, Vol. I, 1976, Vol. II, 1980) see sections 195, 258, 281, 301.

[27] On this point see K. Kertelge, “Gesetz und Freiheit im Galaterbrief,” NTS 30 (1984): 391; N. T. Wright, “The Paul of History and the Apostle of Faith,” TynB 29 (1978): 61-78; M. Barth, Ephesians (AB; Garden City: Doubleday, 1974), 290-91; C. Haufe, “Die Stellung des Paulus zunm Gesetz,” TLZ 91 (1966), 173.

[28] For the view that significant ethical righteousness is now possible in Christ see B. J. Byrne, “Living out the Righteousness of God: The Contribution of Rom. 6.1-8.13 to an Understanding of Paul’s Ethical Presuppositions,” CBQ 43 (1981): 557-81; A. van Dülmen, Die Theologie des Gesetzes bei Paulus (SBM, 5; Stuttgart; Kathohsches Bibelwerk, 1968), 140-52, 158-68, 185-204.

[29] G. E. Ladd, A Theology of the New Testament (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1974), 510; Cranfield, “St. Paul and the Law,” 49-52, 66; Gundry, “Grace,” 7; C. F. D. Moule, “Obligation,” 397; D .P. Fuller, “Paul and the Works of the Law,” WTJ 38 (1975): 38-39; Haufe, “Paulus zum Gesetz,” 171-78; J. Hempel, “On the Problem of the Law in the Old and New Testaments,” ATR 34 (1952): 229-31. For the view that such a distinction was implicit in the teaching of Jesus see K. Berger, Die Gesetzauslegung Jesu: Ihr historischer Hintergrund im Judentum und im Alten Testament (Teil I: Markus und Parallelen) (Neukirchen-Vluyn: Neukirchener Verlag,1972)pp.171ff.; R. H. Stein, The Method and Message of Jesus Teachings (Philadelphia: Westminster,1978), 102-104; D. Wenham, “Jesus and the Law: An Exegesis of Matthew 5.17-20,” Themelios 4 (1979): 5.
 
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"Conclusion

The only “law” that existed prior to the giving of the Decalogue at Mt, Sinai, was the commandment by God to Abraham to circumcise the male sons. The giving of the Decalogue at Mt. Sinai, marks a moment in time. For it was here that God gave His revealed will for the Hebrews. The Apostle Paul was the biggest advocates of N.T, times that the Gentiles were not under the Law. Even the first Apostolic Council agreed to the extent that only a few of the items included in the “Law” even applied to Gentiles.

Lets get this straight, the “Law” does serve a purpose, even today. It is God’s revealed will. And Paul states that it was put into place to identify what was and wasn’t sin. And for a time, it was used as a way to establish man’s standing before God by his relationship to the Law. And even Paul made the boast that one could achieve blamelessness as concerned the Law. (cf. Phil. 3:6)

The demands of the Law were strict. There was no allowances for half-hearted tries. There was no “Red-ribbon” for giving it your best shot and failing. That is why Jesus was needed. All the demands of the Law, all that it demanded of man, we could not fulfill. The harder they tried, the more they fell because they became aware that the Law increased sin.

That is why when Paul said: “teloV gar nomou CristoV” (Christ is the end of the law) as far as the Law and establishing a right standing before God, the Law has come to an end. No longer can man plea to God “Look how well I’ve kept the commandments and the Law.” The Law has been disposed from it place as mediator between God and man, and Christ has rightfully taken its place.

Borrowing from Paul’s great defense against “legalism” we need to remember three things from the book of Galatians:

First, Paul answers that the law was added to identify sin as transgression against God. In doing so, the law did more than just identify sin, it condemned those who did these acts. And while the world was under the power of sin, the Jews were imprisoned and guarded by the law (3:22). The law was meant to guard Israel until the arrival of Christ.

Second, Paul is desperately trying to sway the minds of the Gentiles in the Galatian church. When the law was in effect, not only were the Jews guarded, but the Gentiles were excluded from the promises of God. The Jews had so hoarded the promise of God by living it in a legalistic manner, that Gentiles were looked at with contempt and considered slaves like Ishmael. To return to the law willingly would place the Gentiles in the position that the Jews were once in, to be condemned by the law, and to find themselves excluded by the very nature of the law. Being in Christ means freedom from the condemnation the law naturally brings. Paul yearned for the Galatians to remain in the freedom of Christ and removed from the restraint of the law that had formerly enslaved them as Gentiles.

Lastly, according to Paul then, the law was neither positive nor negative; it was merely a necessity. More importantly it was a necessity for only a limited time, a time that had come and gone. Since that time had been superseded with the arrival of Christ, to continue to live under the law would go back to the time before Christ. No longer would the Gentiles be free, but the law that had condemned the Jews for centuries would now condemn the Gentiles."

Ibid

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Till all are one.
 
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Also, since sacrificing was under the "Torah" it is also important to know what Hebrews said also:

"7.1. Hebrews

Formally, “nomoV” is used in Hebrews as elsewhere in the N.T. It is usually referring to the Old Testament Law. Only in 7:16 does the question arise whether it should not be rendered more generally as “norm” or “order”. But since this is the only instance in the epistle, it is better to take it here, too, in the sense of the O.T. Law. Moreover, as in Paul, there is no basic distinction between “o nomoV” and “nomoV”. Thus 7:16 does not refer to a generally valid rule, but to a more specific Law of the O.T.

7.1a. The fact that in context the orientation of “nomoV” is to the Law which orders the priestly ministry is based on the main interest of the epistle. In Hebrews, the Law is viewed from a standpoint essentially different from that of either Jesus or Paul. For them, the Law is the will of God which requires and regulates human action. It aims at works and gives life to the man who does it. In Hebrews, however, the Law is seen from the standpoint that it gives the O.T. priesthood is basis, dignity, and force. It has a share in the nature and efficacy of this priestly ministry, and similarly, the nature and efficacy of the ministry depend on the fact that it rests on the Law. (“nomoV” is centrally used in the normal sense at 10:28: He who transgresses the Law must dir; how much more so he who tramples the Son of God under foot. Cf. also 2:2. These passages make it plain, however, that there is no longer any obligation to the concrete Law. Materially cf. Brandt, 34f.) This also means, that the true theme of Hebrews is not the relation of Law and Gospel, but the relation of the priestly ministry and the priesthood of Christ. The comparison is extended to the Law only in so far as the power of the priestly ministry of the O.T. is the basis of the Law.

7.1b. Though the O.T. priesthood finds its strength and authority in the Law, it cannot bring “teldiwsiV” (perfection, 7:11). Hence the same can be said even of the Law by which the priesthood lives: “ouden gar eteleiwsen o nomoV” (For the Law perfected nothing, 7:19). The reason for this weakness and futility of the Law (asqeneV kai anwjeleV - weakness and unprofitibleness - 7:18) which do not allow it to attain its goal, is expounded in 7:18f., and this is summed up in 7:28: “o nomoV gar anqrwouV kaqisthsin arciereiV econtaV asqeneian, o logoV de thV orkwmosiaV thV meta ton nomon uion eiV ton aiwna teteleiwmenon.” (For the law makes men high priests who have infirmity, but the word of the swearing of an oath, after the law, appoints the Son forever, having been perfected.) The weakness of the Law, and therewith of the priesthood, lies in the weakness of the men with whom the Law has to do.

This weakness may be seen in the moral nature of the priests (cf. 7:24ff.) and especially in the fact that they must bring offerings for themselves, I.e.: in their own implication in sin cf. 7:27; 5:3. Connected herewith is the further fact that the O.T. sacrifice purifies only externally, not internally; it sets aside neither the sense of guilt nor sin itself (9:9f.). Seeing then, that the Law and its priesthood have to do with sinful men, they cannot attain their goal; they cannot secure for men access to the holy-of-holies, to God.

To put it epigrammatically, the Law is weak for Paul because man does not do it, whereas it is weak in Hebrews because man does it. The two propositions start from different points, but fundamentally they contain the same verdict. How closely they are related may be seen in Hebrews in the use of Jer. 31:31ff., where the weakness of the old covenant is exposed by Israel’s transgression of it, and also in the fact that the priesthood of Jesus sanctifies better because it rests on a sacrifice of obedience which is well-pleasing to God, 10:5ff.

7.1c. At this point, we find in Hebrews, too, the same distinctive train of thought as in Paul. In the light of the fulfillment, the verdict is reached that the Law not only could not reach its goal but that it was not meant to do so, that its true purpose is to point to Christ by nailing man to his sin in order that he may find access to God by the only way named in scripture, namely, through the high-priestly ministry of Jesus. In the sacrifice offered according to the Law there was in fact an “anamnhsiV amartiwn kat eniauton” (a remembrance of sins year by year- cf. 10:3) for the Law does not have the “eikwn twn pragmatwn” (image of those things), but only the “okia twn mellontwn agaqwn” (for the law had a shadow of the coming good things). Only with the new covenant whose mediator is Christ did there take place the blotting out: “twn epi th prwth diaqhkh parabasewn” under the first covenant transgressors-and the receiving of the promise, cf. 9:15. Thus eternal high-priesthood of Christ, which there was already before the Law, which from the very first was above the Law, which was intimated by the figure of Melchisedec and assigned with an oath to Christ in Psa. 110:4 (cf. 7:17, 21), means not only the “metaqesiV nomou”change of law, but also the fulfillment, the “eikwn twn pragmatwn” instead of merely the provisional “okia twn melloutwn agaqwn” (cf. 10:1)

7.1d. For all the differences, the affinity to the Pauline understanding of the Law is striking, especially in the way in which the old and the new covenants are interrelated, and the abrogation and fulfillment of the old by the new are integrated. This does not enable us to determine whether there are any direct Pauline influences. In comparison, it should at least be noted that in Hebrews, there is no question, or, better, there is no longer any question of trying to find in the Law good acts which will justify man. This fact links the situation in Hebrews regarding the question of the Law rather strongly with John and James than with Paul."

Ibid

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Also, since sacrificing was under the "Torah" it is also important to know what Hebrews said also:

"7.1. Hebrews

Formally, “nomoV” is used in Hebrews as elsewhere in the N.T. It is usually referring to the Old Testament Law. Only in 7:16 does the question arise whether it should not be rendered more generally as “norm” or “order”. But since this is the only instance in the epistle, it is better to take it here, too, in the sense of the O.T. Law. Moreover, as in Paul, there is no basic distinction between “o nomoV” and “nomoV”. Thus 7:16 does not refer to a generally valid rule, but to a more specific Law of the O.T.

7.1a. The fact that in context the orientation of “nomoV” is to the Law which orders the priestly ministry is based on the main interest of the epistle. In Hebrews, the Law is viewed from a standpoint essentially different from that of either Jesus or Paul. For them, the Law is the will of God which requires and regulates human action. It aims at works and gives life to the man who does it. In Hebrews, however, the Law is seen from the standpoint that it gives the O.T. priesthood is basis, dignity, and force. It has a share in the nature and efficacy of this priestly ministry, and similarly, the nature and efficacy of the ministry depend on the fact that it rests on the Law. (“nomoV” is centrally used in the normal sense at 10:28: He who transgresses the Law must dir; how much more so he who tramples the Son of God under foot. Cf. also 2:2. These passages make it plain, however, that there is no longer any obligation to the concrete Law. Materially cf. Brandt, 34f.) This also means, that the true theme of Hebrews is not the relation of Law and Gospel, but the relation of the priestly ministry and the priesthood of Christ. The comparison is extended to the Law only in so far as the power of the priestly ministry of the O.T. is the basis of the Law.

7.1b. Though the O.T. priesthood finds its strength and authority in the Law, it cannot bring “teldiwsiV” (perfection, 7:11). Hence the same can be said even of the Law by which the priesthood lives: “ouden gar eteleiwsen o nomoV” (For the Law perfected nothing, 7:19). The reason for this weakness and futility of the Law (asqeneV kai anwjeleV - weakness and unprofitibleness - 7:18) which do not allow it to attain its goal, is expounded in 7:18f., and this is summed up in 7:28: “o nomoV gar anqrwouV kaqisthsin arciereiV econtaV asqeneian, o logoV de thV orkwmosiaV thV meta ton nomon uion eiV ton aiwna teteleiwmenon.” (For the law makes men high priests who have infirmity, but the word of the swearing of an oath, after the law, appoints the Son forever, having been perfected.) The weakness of the Law, and therewith of the priesthood, lies in the weakness of the men with whom the Law has to do.

This weakness may be seen in the moral nature of the priests (cf. 7:24ff.) and especially in the fact that they must bring offerings for themselves, I.e.: in their own implication in sin cf. 7:27; 5:3. Connected herewith is the further fact that the O.T. sacrifice purifies only externally, not internally; it sets aside neither the sense of guilt nor sin itself (9:9f.). Seeing then, that the Law and its priesthood have to do with sinful men, they cannot attain their goal; they cannot secure for men access to the holy-of-holies, to God.

To put it epigrammatically, the Law is weak for Paul because man does not do it, whereas it is weak in Hebrews because man does it. The two propositions start from different points, but fundamentally they contain the same verdict. How closely they are related may be seen in Hebrews in the use of Jer. 31:31ff., where the weakness of the old covenant is exposed by Israel’s transgression of it, and also in the fact that the priesthood of Jesus sanctifies better because it rests on a sacrifice of obedience which is well-pleasing to God, 10:5ff.

7.1c. At this point, we find in Hebrews, too, the same distinctive train of thought as in Paul. In the light of the fulfillment, the verdict is reached that the Law not only could not reach its goal but that it was not meant to do so, that its true purpose is to point to Christ by nailing man to his sin in order that he may find access to God by the only way named in scripture, namely, through the high-priestly ministry of Jesus. In the sacrifice offered according to the Law there was in fact an “anamnhsiV amartiwn kat eniauton” (a remembrance of sins year by year- cf. 10:3) for the Law does not have the “eikwn twn pragmatwn” (image of those things), but only the “okia twn mellontwn agaqwn” (for the law had a shadow of the coming good things). Only with the new covenant whose mediator is Christ did there take place the blotting out: “twn epi th prwth diaqhkh parabasewn” under the first covenant transgressors-and the receiving of the promise, cf. 9:15. Thus eternal high-priesthood of Christ, which there was already before the Law, which from the very first was above the Law, which was intimated by the figure of Melchisedec and assigned with an oath to Christ in Psa. 110:4 (cf. 7:17, 21), means not only the “metaqesiV nomou”change of law, but also the fulfillment, the “eikwn twn pragmatwn” instead of merely the provisional “okia twn melloutwn agaqwn” (cf. 10:1)

7.1d. For all the differences, the affinity to the Pauline understanding of the Law is striking, especially in the way in which the old and the new covenants are interrelated, and the abrogation and fulfillment of the old by the new are integrated. This does not enable us to determine whether there are any direct Pauline influences. In comparison, it should at least be noted that in Hebrews, there is no question, or, better, there is no longer any question of trying to find in the Law good acts which will justify man. This fact links the situation in Hebrews regarding the question of the Law rather strongly with John and James than with Paul."

Ibid

God Bless

Till all are one.


The law was given to Israel, not to the Church.

Rom.10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."


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The law was given to Israel, not to the Church.

Rom.10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."


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Does not matter.

No man, saved or unsaved could fulfill all the Law required. That's why we have Jesus.

He did what we could not do.

And like Hebrews says, we have a "high priest" in Christ.

No earthly priesthood can better Him.

Not then, not now, not in the future.

And there is nothing you can say to counter that.

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Those who worship Judaism live by the law, as I told you before. They have not yet accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Capiche?

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Will they then stop the OC ritual of circumcision?
Notice how those of the circumcision group were viewed by the Apostles and note that it is OC Jerusalem and Judea in Revelation 18:4.

Perhaps if the Jews viewed Revelation as fulfilled for them, many more of the Jews will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior [along with the Muslims]. IMHO

Acts 11:
1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him,


Philli:3:
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the circumcision!

2 Corin 6:
17 wherefore come-forth out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord
and an unclean-thing no ye be touching! and I shall be accepting ye
[Isaiah 52:11, Ezekiel 20:34,41/Revelation 18:4]
18 And I shall be to ye as a Father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters is saying El Almighty'". [2 Samuel 7:14]

Luke 21:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
21 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains".


Revelation 18:
4 And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her the People of Me......................

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. --
Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world...................
 
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Will they then stop the OC ritual of circumcision?
Notice how those of the circumcision group were viewed by the Apostles and note that it is OC Jerusalem and Judea in Revelation 18:4.

Perhaps if the Jews viewed Revelation as fulfilled for them, many more of the Jews will accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior [along with the Muslims]. IMHO

Acts 11:
1 Now the apostles and brethren who were in Judea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.
2 And when Peter came up to Jerusalem, those of the circumcision contended with him,


Philli:3:
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the circumcision!

2 Corin 6:
17 wherefore come-forth out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord
and an unclean-thing no ye be touching! and I shall be accepting ye
[Isaiah 52:11, Ezekiel 20:34,41/Revelation 18:4]
18 And I shall be to ye as a Father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters is saying El Almighty'". [2 Samuel 7:14]

Luke 21:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.
21 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains".


Revelation 18:
4 And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her the People of Me......................

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. --
Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world...................


Circumcision of the heart during the Millennium:

The idea of “circumcision of the heart” is found in Romans 2:29. It refers to having a pure heart, separated unto God. Paul writes, “A Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter.” These words conclude a sometimes confusing passage of Scripture regarding circumcision and the Christian. Verses 25-29 provide context:

“For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision. So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law. For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.”

Paul is discussing the role of the Old Testament Law as it relates to Christianity. He argues that Jewish circumcision is only an outward sign of being set apart to God. However, if the heart is sinful, then physical circumcision is of no avail. A circumcised body and a sinful heart are at odds with each other. Rather than focus on external rites, Paul focuses on the condition of the heart. Using circumcision as a metaphor, he says that only the Holy Spirit can purify a heart and set us apart to God. Ultimately, circumcision cannot make a person right with God; the Law is not enough. A person’s heart must change. Paul calls this change “circumcision of the heart.”

This concept was not original with the apostle Paul. As a Jew trained in the Law of Moses, he was certainly aware of this discussion from Deuteronomy 30. There, the Lord used the same metaphor to communicate His desire for a holy people: “And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live” (Deuteronomy 30:6). Physical circumcision was a sign of Israel’s covenant with God; circumcision of the heart, therefore, would indicate Israel’s being set apart to love God fully, inside and out.

John the Baptist warned the Pharisees against taking pride in their physical heritage and boasting in their circumcision: “Do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham” (Matthew 3:9).

True “children of Abraham” are those who follow Abraham’s example of believing God (Genesis 15:6). Physical circumcision does not make one a child of God; faith does. Believers in Jesus Christ can truly say they are children of “Father Abraham.” “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29).

God has always wanted more from His people than just external conformity to a set of rules. He has always wanted them to possess a heart to love, know and follow Him. That’s why God is not concerned with a circumcision of the flesh. Even in the Old Testament, God’s priority was a spiritual circumcision of the heart: “Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, circumcise your hearts, you men of Judah and people of Jerusalem, or my wrath will break out and burn like fire because of the evil you have done” (Jeremiah 4:4).

Both Testaments focus on the need for repentance and inward change in order to be right with God. In Jesus, the Law has been fulfilled (Matthew 5:17). Through Him, a person can be made right with God and receive eternal life (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). As Paul said, true circumcision is a matter of the heart, performed by the Spirit of God.


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Yur above opinions a are meaningless and without a shred of scriptural support.
Read the letter to the Hebrews and get back to us on this future animal sacrificing Old Testament temple you imagine.
 
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My problem with this is the reinstitution of the Law.
That's a pretty big problem.

There are a lot of what is taught in Ezekiel, the last nine chapters, that directly contradict the New Testament.
Yep, wads it up and throws it away.

Another problem is we are taught Jesus was the end of sacrificing.
Very very big problem. A new temple with animal sacrifice would be a vile blasphemy.

Nope, I just don't see it.
Nothing there to see.
 
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