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Ezekiel's Detailed Vision of the Future - Jesus Millennial Temple

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Quasar92, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. Quasar92

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    Review post @50 re the sacrificial restoration during the Millennium.

    THERE WILL BE TWO TEMPLES YET TO BE BUILT: THE THIRD ONE WILL BE THE TRIBULATION TEMPLE AS DOCUMENTED IN DAN.9:27; MT.24:15; REV.11:1-2 AND 2 THES.2:4. THE FOURTH ONE WILL BE THE MILLENNIAL TEMPLE CHRIST WILL BUILD HIMSELF ACCORDING TO ZECH.6:12-13, DESCRIBED IN EZ.40-47.


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  2. DeaconDean

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    Ezekiel's temple is questionable at best.

    In the chapters 40-43:11, there is nothing in the context, I repeat, "in context", that dictates we take the scripture as "millennial".

    Furthermore, you have been shown, that God Himself told Ezekiel to write it in front of the leaders, everything that was shown to him, and then that everything was contingent upon two words: "do them".

    You consistently ignore this passage of scripture!

    Also, you have also chose to ignore all the scripture that has been shown that indicates that the sacrificial system of the Old Testament has done away with forever, by the death of Christ.

    It has also been shown to you that according to Ezekiel, the sacrifices will not be a "memorial" or "ceremonial" or even in "remembrance of". Ezekiel say that they would be for a "sin-offering" which here again, has also been shown to you that cannot be as Christ took care of that!

    And your right, there may be another temple built, but its not Ezekiel's temple.

    And one more point.

    Who will rule during this time?

    This is most critical, and I await your answer.

    God Bless

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    We are told:

    "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." -Heb. 10:4 (KJV)

    John Gill comments:

    "For it is not possible
    There is a necessity of sin being taken away, otherwise it will be remembered; and there will be a conscience of it, and it must be answered for, or it will remain marked, and the curse and penalty of the law must take place: but it is impossible

    that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins;
    which was shed on the day of atonement: sin is a breach of the moral law, but these sacrifices belong to, the ceremonial law, which are less acceptable to God than moral duties; sin is committed against God, and has an objective infiniteness in it, and therefore can never be atoned for by the blood of such creatures; it leaves a stain on the mind and conscience, which this blood cannot reach; besides, this is not the same blood, nor of the same kind with the person that has sinned; yea, if this could take away sin, it would do more than the blood of the man himself could do; such blood shed can never answer the penalty of the law, satisfy divine justice, or secure the honour of divine holiness: but what the blood of these creatures could not do, the blood of Christ has done, and does: that takes away sin from the sight of justice, and from the consciences of the saints. Compare with this the Septuagint version of ( Jeremiah 11:15 ) .
    ``what, has the beloved committed abomination in my house? shall prayers, and the holy flesh take away thy wickednesses from thee, or by these shall thou escape?''

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    Furthermore, did God not say:

    "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats." -Isa. 1:11 (KJV)

    Did God not tell Israel:

    "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings." -Hosea 6:6 (KJV)

    The Psalmist said:

    "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise." -Psa. 51:17 (KJV)

    You would have to ignore the principles of biblical hermeneutics to accept sacrificing in the millennium.

    "Biblical hermeneutics is the study of the principles and methods of interpreting the text of the Bible. The most important law of biblical hermeneutics is that the Bible should be interpreted literally. We are to understand the Bible in its normal or plain meaning, unless the passage is obviously intended to be symbolic or if figures of speech are employed. A second crucial law of biblical hermeneutics is that passages must be interpreted historically, grammatically, and contextually. A third law of biblical hermeneutics is that Scripture is always the best interpreter of Scripture. For this reason, we always compare Scripture with Scripture when trying to determine the meaning of a passage."

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    To say that there will be "sin-offering", sacrificing of bulls and goats ignore the 3rd principle of biblical hermeneutics. Joseph Prince said:

    "When you take "text" out of "context" all your left with is a "con."

    And since we are on this subject, to suggest that there will be a "sin-offering", would mean that there is something in the sacrifices during the millennium better than of that Christ's own blood. Something that Christ's shed blood could not achieve. The sacrifices of the millennium would be better than that of our Lord Jesus Christ. That the sacrifices can and will make it "possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins."

    This absolutely cannot be, sorry.

    God Bless

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    It's also funny that even in these scripture references, some are questionable.

    The only that even comes close is Daniel 9:27.

    And the problem with that is it 46 years to build the Temple of Jesus' time.

    Granted, with todays technology, it could be built in a shorter time, but there is another inherent problem.

    Both Jews and Gentiles, not only have to submit to ritual circumcision, but they will have to pay a "tax" to sacrifice!

    Daniel 9:27 tells us:

    "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease"

    This tells us that before the millennium starts, there should be sacrificing going on.

    What is another word for "oblation"?

    "These rules about weights and measures required, however, to be supplemented by a fixed tariff, regulating the taxes which the prince might impose on the people. {Ezekiel 14:13-17} It is not quite clear whether any part of the prince’s own income was to be derived from taxation. The tribute is called an "oblation," and there is no doubt that it was intended principally for the support of the Temple ritual,"

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    Eze. 45:16-17 tells us:

    "All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel."

    Whatever temple is spoken of, it would have to be completed by the beginning of the first 3.5 years of the tribulation. (cf. Dan. 9:27) As long as the Holy Spirit is still active, sacrificing and taxation cannot occur.

    So, if taken "as is", sacrificing would already be in place. Thus this would also negate the millennial temple of Ezekiel.

    That would mean 3 times, people would have to sacrifice. Once during the OT era. Once before the millennium starts. And again, during the Millennium.

    There are also, as of this time, a large obstacle in the way of rebuilding a temple.

    In the first place, it has to be built over the original Holy-of-Holies. One obstacle is the Dome of the Rock. Another is that that may not be the original place of the Holy-of-Holies.

    Look on the internet, there are various articles on when and where a "temple" may be built. There is even a discussion that just like in Moses' day, a "wilderness tabernacle" may be built. But I object in that when is the "type" preferred to the real.

    Also, nobody knows for sure where the originals were.

    Secondly, there is even a suggestion that the temple could be built right along side the Dome of the Rock without interfering with the Dome of the Rock.

    I can't see that happening as in this world, from a biblical standpoint, there are only 2 types of people, Jews and Gentiles. If your not a Jew, your a what?

    And who is in control of the Dome of the Rock?

    So like I said, when speaking of "eschatology", that encompasses more than any one person could understand.

    But ir-regardless, there is enough testimony in the New Testament to render Ezekiel's Millennial Temple out of the question.

    God Bless

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  5. Quasar92

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    There will be two more temples built in Jerusalem:

    The tribulation temple:

    Matthew 24:15 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…

    2 Thessalonians 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"

    Revelation 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

    The Millennial temple:

    Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

    Ezekiel 43:27 - …your priests will your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar, and I will accept you, declares the Lord.

    Zechariah 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord.

    At the present time there is no temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the location of both the first and second Jewish Temples. Instead, two Muslim shrines, The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, stand on the Temple Mount. Meantime, the Jewish people to consider the Temple Mount to be the most sacred place for Jews in all the world. No wonder
    the Temple Mount is a political powder keg and must be part of any formula for peace in the Middle East!

    According to the Bible, a temple will once again stand on the Temple Mount. How and when the Temple Mount will be available for a future temple remains to be seen. Biblical prophecy “buffs” have proposed all
    kinds of potential scenarios for how all of this could take place—everything from earthquakes to explosives to the collapse of the Temple Mount platform!

    Some well-meaning Christians have felt that the biblical predictions of a future Temple should be spiritualized, saying that these prophecies refer to the Church or to the individual Christian. Indeed, 1
    Corinthians 3:16 makes it quite clear that the Church, as the body of Christ, is the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. And in 1 Corinthians 6:19 we are taught that the physical body of every individual believer
    is to be honored and kept clean, because it is the temple of the Holy Spirit. But these wonderful New Testament truths do not alter the biblical predictions of a literal future Temple in Jerusalem.

    The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple
    Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by aMillennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with
    these two future temples.

    Here: http://www.templemount.org/TM34.html

    Here: http://sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzeki ... Temple.htm [No tribulation temple shown]


    .The following explains the vast differences in the dimensions of the Millennial temple described in Ez,40-47 over that of Zerubbabel's, in: http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.p ... ost5640230 Versus the following! Dimensions.Of the dimensions of this Temple there are given but few data. Hecatæus, a Greek writer contemporary with Alexander the Great, is quoted by Josephus ("Contra Ap." i. 22) as saying that the Temple area was enclosed by a wall a plethra, or 500 Greek feet, in length and 100 Greek cubits in breadth, i.e., 485½ × 145½ English feet. The altar was built of unhewn stones in conformity with the precepts of the Law (comp. I Macc. iv. 44 et seq.). The dimensions of the building were probably the same as those of Solomon's Temple, though the edifice was apparently at first lacking in ornament. It was probably because the building was less ornate that the old men who had seen the former Temple wept at the sight of its successor (Ezra iii. 12; Josephus, "Ant." xi. 4, § 2). Nehemiah in rebuilding the city wall followed the lines of the former wall, and it is altogether likely that the old lines were followed in building the walls of the Temple also. The statement in Ezra vi. 3 that Cyrus gave permission to make the Temple 60 cubits high and 60 cubits broad has probably no connection with its actual dimensions: how the statement arose can now be only conjectured. The authorities for this period make no mention of the palace of Solomon. If the wall of the Temple was at this period less than 500 feet long, the whole Temple court occupied but about one-third the length of the present Ḥaram area, and less than half its width (comp. Baedeker, "Palestine and Syria," ed. 1898, p. 39). It is probable that the site of Solomon's palace either lay desolate or was covered by other dwellings.

    The Temple was surrounded by two courts (I Macc. i. 22, iv. 48); but until the time of Alexander Jannæus (104-79 B.C.) it would seem that these were separated by a difference of elevation only. That ruler surrounded the inner court with a wall of wood because the Pharisees, with whom he was unpopular, had pelted him with citrons while officiating at the altar at the Feast of Tabernacles (comp. "Ant." xiii. 13, § 5). The inner court contained chambers for storing the garments of the priests (I Macc. iv. 38, 57). The stone altar of burnt offering probably occupied the site of the bronze altar in Solomon's Temple.

    From: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/artic ... the-second Quasar


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    The Millennial temple built by Jesus in Zech.6:12-13 [/size]

    With the carrying away of the Jews into Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, The House of David, The Throne of David, The Crown of David and the Kingdom of David were done away and not one of these has been restored nor will be restored until Jesus the Messiah returns to rule and reign for one thousand years at the Millennium Temple as described by Ezekiel.[/size]

    Since AD 70, the Jews have had no temple. as predicted by Hosea the prophet in 746 BC: "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king and without a prince, and without a sacrifice and without an ephod ...Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days." [/size]

    We read in Zechariah, "Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both" (Zech 6:12-13). In several prophetical passages the Messiah is referred to as "the Branch" who will sit on the throne of David to rule the world. "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots" (Isa 11:1). "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth" (Jer 23:5). In Luke, the angel Gabriel proclaimed, "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end" (Luke 1:32-33).[/size]

    In AD 634, the temple mount was taken over by the Muslims. In 1099, the crusaders captured it and turned the mosques into churches. Saladin returned it to Arab rule in 1187. The Jews liberated the temple mount from Jordanian control in the Six-Day War of 1967, but later returned it to the custody of the Muslim Waqf (Jordan). Today, the "Dome of the Rock" is situated near the centre of the temple mount, with the Al Aqsa Mosque at its southern end..[/size]

    ....In April 572 B.C. during Passover (14 years after the destruction of Solomon's Temple) Ezekiel was given a detailed plan and specifications for the Temple, the place of worship during the Millennium.
    The Millennial temple: "As described in Ezekiel (40:5 to 42:20), the outer dimensions of the temple complex form a square, 875 feet (500 cubits) across and in length. The temple faces east, as did the tabernacle and the temples of Solomon and of the Exile. The south, east, and north sides have an outer wall. Thirty rooms were also built on the second and third levels. The temple itself projects from inside the western wall, It has outer courts on three sides :south, east, and north, 175 feet in width. [/size]The very first features of the Millennial Temple described are the walls and gates (Ezekiel 40:5-37). The gates are complex security devices that must be passed by authorized persons only in order to enter the inner and outer courts (Ezekiel 40:5-16 20-37).[/size] [/size]Numerous cherubim adorn the temple (Ezekiel 41:17-20, 25). In the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:24) a purpose of cherubim was to keep persons out of unauthorized areas.

    Source: http://www.biblestudent.com/bible.studies.htm/sg41.htm

    The difference in the dimensions of the Millennial temple as compared with the two previous ones:

    There is a vast difference between the Temple described by Ezekiel and that of the other Temples. For example, Temple researcher and archeologist Dr. Randall Price highlights the vast grandeur of Ezekiel's Temple compared to the others. " One of the problems for many who seek to interpret Ezekiel's vision of the Temple literally is the problem of the immense size of the building (compared to the sizes of the First and Second Temples). According to Ezekiel's text, the millennial city of Jerusalem and the Temple will together encompass a 2,500 square-mile area. The portion reserved for the priests and Levites is some 50 miles, while the Temple courts will be one mile square. These dimensions are larger than those of the modern State of Israel." (Randall Price, The Temple and Bible Prophecy, p. 531).

    The vast size of the temple has led some to interpret the Temple spiritually since the current physical landscape cannot hold the structures. However, God's work during the Great Tribulation provides ample descriptions of physical changes to the earth and the Temple proper will sit higher than any structure around. That currently is not the case, so the mountains surrounding the temple mount will be split (Zech. 13:4) and the Temple mount will rise (Zech. 14:10).


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    Why will there be animal sacrifices and Feast days and the Sabbath reinstituted in the Millennium period?

    Zech. 14 tells us we will celebrate the feasts days along with the sacrifices, these will both be reinstituted in the millennium (Ez.44:1-46- 46:24)

    Zech 14:16-18 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.”

    v.21 “Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.”

    Isaiah also says, Isaiah 56:7 “Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on My altar; for My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

    Isa 66:23 "And it shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me," says the LORD. Isa. 66:23 teaches that we will keep the Sabbath, it also teaches we will keep the New Moon festival! This is on earth in the Millennium period- not in heaven."

    If the Sabbath and feast days and the sacrifices are done away with in Christ how do we reconcile these two seemingly contradictory positions? How can there be a return to the sacrificial system without taking away from the meritorious sacrifice of Christ?

    Millennial Israel will have at its center the Temple. Sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), will continually be done during the Kingdom Age (Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15).The millennial offerings are distinctly Jewish nature, of Jewish history and will be administered by Jews, their commemorative purpose will be embraced by Gentiles who will join in celebration of the millennial King who will be on earth. This is made clear in Zechariah 8 v.23, 'In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him who is a Jew, saying, We will go with you for we have heard that God is with you'.

    It will some similarities to Mosaic system and some new features. So it should not be mistaken for a reinstitution of Mosaic law system, since Moses sacrificial system did not take away sin but Jesus' last sacrifice did.

    The problem is easily solved if we view them as being COMMEMORATIVE rather than EFFICACIOUS.

    The sacrifices will be a memorial, just as communion is practiced today looking back. They will not be propitiation, or effacacious (they will have no power to redeem) but are a reminder of what took place. The reason this will be instituted is because there will be many unbelievers born in the Millennial period, they will be sinners that will need to understand the sacrifice Christ did. Since his sacrifice is the final one, that cannot be repeated the types he fulfilled will be illustrative of his accomplishment. Just as the church is commanded to continue the Lord's Supper until he comes.

    In Isa. 53 the Servant of Jehovah’s sacrifice puts an end to all animals sacrifices. Just as the Old Testament sacrifices pointed forward to Christ, and found their fulfillment in the supreme efficacious sacrifice of Christ, so the millennial sacrifices will look back in commemorative fulfillment in the same manner. In other words, the sacrifices will be symbols to the millennial population of the prior sacrifice of Christ. Just as the church is commanded to continue the Lord's Supper until He comes, they will continue in these because He has come. It will also give testimony of his faithfulness to the Jews for whom he first gave these commands to.

    The new moon festivals, the feast of tabernacles, and the Sabbaths, were set times among the Hebrews (not Gentiles) for the worship of God; in the Millennium these will be used as the reminders for the assembly of worship as God will be celebrated in all nations. As all Israel assembled in Jerusalem for the three great feasts under the Old Testament law of Moses, representatives of the nations will journey to Jerusalem every new moon and every Sabbath. The new moon was observed with sacrifices. The Sabbath will be kept by the Gentiles which also includes sacrifices; The Mosaic Law forbid Gentile to enter in the Temple (Deut.231-8), but it will be permitted by the new Law instituted by Christ in the Millennium (Ezek.46:1-5).The Gentiles will show their commitment to the covenant by keeping the Sabbath and the Feast days, thus having fellowship with God.

    So, far from being contradictory, the millennial sacrificial system will be instituted as a commemorative celebration of the completeness of the last and efficacious sacrifice of our Saviour, Jesus Christ our Lord and redeemer. The temple will truly become a house of prayer for all nations.

    http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp191.htm

    See also: http://www.jewishroots.net/library/end- ... fices.html


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    From another source:

    Will there be animal sacrifices during the millennial kingdom?

    Answer:
    There are several passages in the Old Testament that clearly indicate animal sacrifice will be re-instituted during the millennial kingdom. Some passages mention it in passing as the topic of the millennial kingdom is discussed, passages like Isaiah 56:6-8; Zechariah 14:16; and Jeremiah 33:15-18.

    The passage that is the most extensive, giving the greatest detail, is Ezekiel 43:18-46:24. It should be noted that this is part of a greater passage dealing with the millennial kingdom, a passage that begins with Ezekiel 40. In Ezekiel 40, the Lord begins to give details of the temple that will exist during the millennial kingdom, a temple that dwarfs all other temples previously built, even Herod’s temple that was quite large, which existed during the earthly ministry of Christ.

    After giving details concerning the size and appearance of the temple and the altar, the Lord then begins to give detailed instruction as to the animal sacrifices that will be offered (Ezekiel 43:18-27). In chapter 44, the Lord gives instructions as to who will be offering sacrifices to the Lord. The Lord states that all of the Levites will not be offering blood and fat to the Lord due to previous sin; it will be those from the lineage of Zadok (verse 15). Chapters 45 and 46 continue to mention that animal sacrifices will be made.

    The primary objection made to the idea of animal sacrifices returning during the millennial kingdom is that Christ has come and offered a perfect sacrifice for sin, and there is therefore no need to sacrifice animals for sin. However, it must be remembered that animal sacrifice never removed the sin that spiritually separated a person from the Lord.

    Hebrews 10:1-4 says, “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never by the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near. Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (NASB).

    It is incorrect to think that animal sacrifices took away sins in the Old Testament, and it is incorrect to think they will do so in the millennial kingdom. Animal sacrifices served as object lessons for the sinner, that sin was and is a horrible offense against God, and that the result of sin is death. Romans 3:20 says, “Because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.”

    Most premillennial scholars agree that the purpose of animal sacrifice during the millennial kingdom is memorial in nature. As the Lord’s Supper is a reminder of the death of Christ to the Church today, animal sacrifices will be a reminder during the millennial kingdom. To those born during the millennial kingdom, animal sacrifices will again be an object lesson. During that future time, righteousness and holiness will prevail, but those with earthly bodies will still have a sin nature, and there will be a need to teach about how offensive sin is to a holy and righteous God. Animal sacrifices will serve that purpose, "but in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year" (Hebrews 10:3).

    Recommended Resource: Thy Kingdom Come by J. Dwight Pentecost

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    I would think this thread belongs on the Eschatology board?
    There are numerous threads on CF concerning the controversial 3rd Temple in the future.

    third temple built christianforums site:www.christianforums.com - Google Search

    Why There Will Be No Third Temple!!!

    Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.
    Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.
     
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    Great post and thanks for those sources.
    Here are a few more, this concerning the Red Heifer and it appears Israel has found some Red Heifers.

    Kingdom Bible Studies Table of Contents

    Kindgdom Bible Studies Ashes of a Red Heifer Part 1
    ASHES OF THE RED HEIFER

    ...............Numbers 19 is a most unusual chapter in the Old Testament. All the offerings in the Bible are bullocks and rams, but here there is an exception - a heifer, a female cow whose never given birth. All the offerings in the Old Testament are slaughtered and offered to God, but this offering of the red heifer, though killed and burned, is very different from the rest. While all others are offered to God to meet current claims - that is, the sin-offering, the burnt offering, or the peace offering according to the need of the day - the red heifer alone was not for the present need. It was offered to meet future needs. The ordinance of the red heifer stands alone. While other sacrifices are often brought before us, this recorded in no other part of Israel's history...........

    In view of the many wonderful sacrifices provided for sin in the Old Testament, and the fact that this heifer was in no sense related to these, we must look elsewhere for the antitype to this red heifer, for had it in any sense been an atonement for sins, it would of necessity have been killed by a priest as indicating that fact. What, then, did this sacrifice of the red heifer signify? What does it have to do with the cleansing or purification of the people of God?

    The cleansing for which these red cow ashes were prescribed, were of a peculiar kind, namely, specially for those who became CEREMONIALLY UNCLEAN by coming into contact with DEATH. It is called a "sin-offering" only in the sense that a ceremonially unclean person came under the jurisdiction of the law, with penalty if he were not properly cleansed according to law. The ashes of the heifer were not designed to remove MORAL SIN, it was only a ceremonial cleansing, called by the writer of Hebrews that which "sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh" (Heb. 9:13). B
    ullocks were offered by people who had committed sin in its usual sense - moral sin. If I were Israelite, and had sinned against my neighbor, or against God, I could bring a bullock or sheep to God and offer it as a sin-offering because I had wronged or offended either man or God. But the offering of the red heifer was different. In relation to its purifying work no man had been wronged, nor had God been disobeyed!

    Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 7
    "THE ASHES OF A HEIFER"

    ......ONE feature of the ceremonial law of Israel, related in `Numbers 19`, required the killing of a red heifer (cow)--one without blemish and which had never been under the yoke of service. It was not one of the sin-offerings of the Day of Atonement, nor was it one of the offerings of the people subsequent to the Day of Atonement--indeed, it was no "offering" at all, for no part of it was offered on the Lord's altar or eaten by the priests. It was sacrificed, but not in the same sense, nor in the same place, as these offerings--in the Court. It was not even killed by one of the priests, nor was its blood taken into the Holy and Most Holy. The Red Heifer was taken outside the camp of Israel, and was there killed and burned to ashes--flesh, fat, hide, blood, etc.--except a little of the blood taken by the priest and sprinkled seven times toward the front of the Tabernacle (Revised Version and Leeser). The ashes of the heifer were not brought into the Holy place, but were left outside the Camp, gathered together in a heap, and apparently accessible to any of the people who had use for them. Under the prescription of the Law, a portion of the ashes was to be mixed with water in a vessel, and a bunch of hyssop dipped into this mixture was to be used in sprinkling the person, clothing, tent, etc., of the legally unclean, for their purification............

    Ynetnews News - Cattleman raising historic herd of red heifers in Israel

    We've been working on this for decades. The red heifer has to be supervised and cared for in a special way since its birth. And it's very complex," Rabbi Chaim Richman, the International Director of the Temple Institute told Tazpit News Agency.

    Over two thousand years ago, during the near millennium that the two Temples stood in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount, the ashes of the red heifer were used by the priests for purification purposes.

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    A red heifer (Photo: Tazpit News Agency)
     
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    I don't know why, in the face of so many references that I have shown, how many scriptures I have posted, that member keeps ignoring them.

    And like I said, no matter what he says, he cannot work around Eze. 43:11!

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    All I hear are crickets.

    Still waiting for the answer.

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    Revelation 11 is showing 1st century Herod's Temple and Sanctuary. There are those that view we are already in the 1000yr period.
    If we can get the Jews and Muslims to believe that, perhaps more of them will come to Christ?

    Luk 21:24
    And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations:
    and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
    [Revelation 11:2]

    Matthew 26:3
    Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the court [#833] of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,

    Revelation 11:1:
    And given to me a reed like unto a staff saying: Rouse! and Measure! the Sanctuary of the God, and the Altar and those worshiping in it.
    2 And the Court [#833], the one outside of the Sanctuary, be Casting- Out! [#1544] Out-side and ye should not be measuring it/her, because it was given to the nations/gentiles,
    and the holy City they shall be treading for 40 and 2 months. [Luke 21:24]
     
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    The book of Revelation is not history, as Rev.1:3 clearly reveals. Rev.11 is not Herod's temple, but rather the tribulation temple yet to be built, as documented in post #65 above.


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    Still waiting for the answer.

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    If, by chance, you are waiting for an answer to something you have asked, directed to me, then make the issues known. If you are asking about Ez.43:11: where is there any question about it. If you are questioning the temple in Ez,40-47 as the Millennial temple, or even the documented text describing it. then please clarify what you want an answer to.


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    See post #62.

    Better yet, let me quote it again for you:

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    Your post #62 is the epitome of speculation and doubt. First of all, those who hold to Judaism still live by the Laws of Moses.

    Rom.10:5 "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them."

    Jesus wil reign/rule as both King as well as High Priest.

    Review the following by Matt Slick:

    Jesus' Three Offices: Prophet, Priest, and King

    Jesus is both divine and human at the same time. Therefore, in the one person of Jesus are two distinct natures. This is called the hypostatic union, but, this isn't all we know about the person and work of Christ. Jesus also occupies three main offices: Prophet, Priest, and King. In other words, Jesus functions and/or has functioned in these offices. Let's take a look.

    Christ as Prophet
    A prophet of God is someone who reveals God, speaks for God, and communicates to people the truths that God wants them to know. Undoubtedly, Jesus did this when he came to do the will of the Father (Luke 22:42), to reveal the Father (Matt. 11:27), and to speak the things of the Father (John 8:28; 12:49).

    In the Old Testament Moses said in Deut. 18:15, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him." This prophecy is quoted by Peter in Acts 3:22-23 in reference to Jesus, “Moses said, ‘The Lord God shall raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed in everything He says to you. 23 ‘And it shall be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’" The context of Acts 3:22 is clear that it is speaking of Jesus. In Acts 3:15 it speaks of Jesus being raised from the dead. In v. 16 Jesus is the one who strengthened a certain man. Christ is mentioned in v. 18 as needing to suffer. In v. 20 Jesus is called the Christ. Verse 21 mentions how God spoke "by the mouth of his holy prophets from ancient time." Then we have v. 22 which quotes Deut. 18:15. The context is clearly about Christ.

    Furthermore, Jesus refers to himself as a prophet.

    • Luke 13:33, "Just at that time some Pharisees came up, saying to Him, "Go away and depart from here, for Herod wants to kill You." 32 And He said to them, "Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.' 33 "Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem."
    • Matt. 13:57, "And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his home town, and in his own household.” 58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.."
    In Luke 13:33 Jesus refers to himself as a prophet because he knows he is about to die, but he cannot do it outside of Jerusalem. Also, in Matt. 13:57 Jesus speaks about a prophet having no honor in his home town, and that is why he did not do many miracles there. Clearly, Jesus is referring to himself as a prophet.

    Christ as Priest
    The priests were the ones in the Old Testament who offered sacrifices to God in order to cleanse of sin. Ultimately, all such priests were representations of Jesus who is the True Priest who offered himself as a sacrifice (Eph. 5:2; Heb. 9:26-27; 10:12) by which he cleanses us of our sin (1 John 1:7). But, Jesus is called a priest after the order of Melchizedek. “Where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” (Heb. 6:20). Heb. 9:11 says, “But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation." As a priest, Jesus is our mediator between God and ourselves (1 Tim. 2:5).

    It could be said that both the Prophet and the priest stand between God and man. In the case of the prophet, he delivers the word of God from the top down. In the case of the priest, he delivers the sacrifices of people to God from bottom to top. So, Jesus is a prophet who delivers the word of God to us, and he is also the priest who delivers his sacrifice, on our behalf, to God the father.

    Christ as King
    A king is someone who has authority to rule and reign over a group of people. Jesus is just such a king. He is called the King of the Jews by the Magi (Matt. 2:2), and Jesus accepts that title in Matt. 27:11, "Now Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor questioned Him, saying, 'Are You the King of the Jews?' And Jesus said to him, 'It is as you say.'” Matt. 21:5 speaks of Jesus and says, "Behold your King is coming to you, gentle, and mounted on a donkey." Remember, Jesus is King in that he rules and judges. "And I saw heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He judges and wages war." (Rev. 19:11). The armies follow him (Rev. 19:14).

    The phrase, "Kingdom of God," occurs 66 times in the NASB--most of them in the synoptic gospels. “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” (Mark 1:14). Jesus taught us to pray, "Thy Kingdom come." (Matt. 6:10). Is there a kingdom of God without a King? No. Jesus is that king: "'Are You the King of the Jews?' And Jesus said to him, 'It is as you say.'" (Matt. 27:11).

    Does his three offices diminish Christ's deity?
    No, they do not. Jesus is still fully divine and human even now (Col. 2:9) and presently holds the three offices mentioned above. It is simply a manifestation of the work of the person of Christ who is Prophet, Priest, and King. By the way, God is called the King in Psalm 95:3, "For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods." So, if it does not diminish God's deity to be called a king, then it does not diminish or deny Christ's deity by calling him a King--or, for that matter, a Prophet and a Priest.



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    he difference in the dimensions of the Millennial temple as compared with the two previous ones:

    There is a vast difference between the Temple described by Ezekiel and that of the other Temples. For example, Temple researcher and archeologist Dr. Randall Price highlights the vast grandeur of Ezekiel's Temple compared to the others. " One of the problems for many who seek to interpret Ezekiel's vision of the Temple literally is the problem of the immense size of the building (compared to the sizes of the First and Second Temples). According to Ezekiel's text, the millennial city of Jerusalem and the Temple will together encompass a 2,500 square-mile area. The portion reserved for the priests and Levites is some 50 miles, while the Temple courts will be one mile square. These dimensions are larger than those of the modern State of Israel." (Randall Price, The Temple and Bible Prophecy, p. 531).

    The vast size of the temple has led some to interpret the Temple spiritually since the current physical landscape cannot hold the structures. However, God's work during the Great Tribulation provides ample descriptions of physical changes to the earth and the Temple proper will sit higher than any structure around. That currently is not the case, so the mountains surrounding the temple mount will be split (Zech. 13:4) and the Temple mount will rise (Zech. 14:10).

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