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Ezekiel's Detailed Vision of the Future - Jesus Millennial Temple

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Quasar92, Jun 24, 2017.

  1. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    Not according to Eze. 37:24-25!

    "And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever."

    You can't have two kings.

    Either Jesus is, or David is.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  2. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter


    Jesus' Three Offices: Prophet, Priest, and King

    Jesus is both divine and human at the same time. Therefore, in the one person of Jesus are two distinct natures. This is called the hypostatic union, but, this isn't all we know about the person and work of Christ. Jesus also occupies three main offices: Prophet, Priest, and King. In other words, Jesus functions and/or has functioned in these offices. Let's take a look.

    Christ as Prophet
    A prophet of God is someone who reveals God, speaks for God, and communicates to people the truths that God wants them to know. Undoubtedly, Jesus did this when he came to do the will of the Father (Luke 22:42), to reveal the Father (Matt. 11:27), and to speak the things of the Father (John 8:28; 12:49).

    In the Old Testament Moses said in Deut. 18:15, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your countrymen, you shall listen to him." This prophecy is quoted by Peter in Acts 3:22-23 in reference to Jesus, “Moses said, ‘The Lord God shall raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren; to Him you shall give heed in everything He says to you. 23 ‘And it shall be that every soul that does not heed that prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’" The context of Acts 3:22 is clear that it is speaking of Jesus. In Acts 3:15 it speaks of Jesus being raised from the dead. In v. 16 Jesus is the one who strengthened a certain man. Christ is mentioned in v. 18 as needing to suffer. In v. 20 Jesus is called the Christ. Verse 21 mentions how God spoke "by the mouth of his holy prophets from ancient time." Then we have v. 22 which quotes Deut. 18:15. The context is clearly about Christ.

    Furthermore, Jesus refers to himself as a prophet.

    • Luke 13:33, "Just at that time some Pharisees came up, saying to Him, "Go away and depart from here, for Herod wants to kill You." 32 And He said to them, "Go and tell that fox, ‘Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.' 33 "Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet should perish outside of Jerusalem."
    • Matt. 13:57, "And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his home town, and in his own household.” 58 And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief.."
    In Luke 13:33 Jesus refers to himself as a prophet because he knows he is about to die, but he cannot do it outside of Jerusalem. Also, in Matt. 13:57 Jesus speaks about a prophet having no honor in his home town, and that is why he did not do many miracles there. Clearly, Jesus is referring to himself as a prophet.

    Christ as Priest
    The priests were the ones in the Old Testament who offered sacrifices to God in order to cleanse of sin. Ultimately, all such priests were representations of Jesus who is the True Priest who offered himself as a sacrifice (Eph. 5:2; Heb. 9:26-27; 10:12) by which he cleanses us of our sin (1 John 1:7). But, Jesus is called a priest after the order of Melchizedek. “Where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.” (Heb. 6:20). Heb. 9:11 says, “But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation." As a priest, Jesus is our mediator between God and ourselves (1 Tim. 2:5).

    It could be said that both the Prophet and the priest stand between God and man. In the case of the prophet, he delivers the word of God from the top down. In the case of the priest, he delivers the sacrifices of people to God from bottom to top. So, Jesus is a prophet who delivers the word of God to us, and he is also the priest who delivers his sacrifice, on our behalf, to God the father.

    Christ as King
    A king is someone who has authority to rule and reign over a group of people. Jesus is just such a king. He is called the King of the Jews by the Magi (Matt. 2:2), and Jesus accepts that title in Matt. 27:11, "Now Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor questioned Him, saying, 'Are You the King of the Jews?' And Jesus said to him, 'It is as you say.'” Matt. 21:5 speaks of Jesus and says, "Behold your King is coming to you, gentle, and mounted on a donkey." Remember, Jesus is King in that he rules and judges. "And I saw heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He who sat upon it is called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He judges and wages war." (Rev. 19:11). The armies follow him (Rev. 19:14).

    The phrase, "Kingdom of God," occurs 66 times in the NASB--most of them in the synoptic gospels. “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” (Mark 1:14). Jesus taught us to pray, "Thy Kingdom come." (Matt. 6:10). Is there a kingdom of God without a King? No. Jesus is that king: "'Are You the King of the Jews?' And Jesus said to him, 'It is as you say.'" (Matt. 27:11).

    Does his three offices diminish Christ's deity?
    No, they do not. Jesus is still fully divine and human even now (Col. 2:9) and presently holds the three offices mentioned above. It is simply a manifestation of the work of the person of Christ who is Prophet, Priest, and King. By the way, God is called the King in Psalm 95:3, "For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods." So, if it does not diminish God's deity to be called a king, then it does not diminish or deny Christ's deity by calling him a King--or, for that matter, a Prophet and a Priest.

    By: Matt Slick

    Last edited: Sep 26, 2017
  3. bbbbbbb

    bbbbbbb Well-Known Member

    As I am sure you are aware, there are those who interpret David in this passage as a euphemism for Messiah. The reasoning is relatively simple. The Messiah comes through the line of David and thus David is the head of the line. Several Messianic psalms were written by David with direct reference to himself which have been interpreted, correctly, as also referring to Messiah.

    That said, it is a very slippery slope to make such substitutions when scripture itself does not. An extreme example would be the numerous Catholic misinterpretations used to prop up their dogma of the perpetual virginity of Mary.
  4. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    That was not, I repeat not a substitution.

    Yes, Jesus was from the Davidic lineage.

    But, in this instance, speaking of the last nine chapters of Ezekiel, this speaks not on future prophesy.

    And as the op shown above, Jesus is the "High Priest", it is wrong to suggest that He, as the High Priest, would even require a sacrifice, let alone, let another do it.

    Plus, out of everything written in he last nine chapters, there is getting around Eze. 43:10-11.

    And history has proven those two verses true.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  5. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    Several times, in Ezekiel, he makes it clear that the sacrificing is not in "memorial", it is not "ceremonial", it is not done looking at the cross or back at the cross. That they are actually a "sin-offering".

    This in so many ways goes against what is written in the Book of Hebrews.

    Not even the "promised" priesthood of Zadok, is greater than that of Christ.

    There is no "sin-offering". PERIOD!

    The blood of bulls and goats cannot and has never taken away one sin.

    Humanity was reconciled to God through Christ. Yet in Ezekiel, he writes that those sacrifices will make "reconciliation".

    " First, Ezekiel nowhere stated or even hinted at the idea that these sacrifices will be memorial in nature. Second, Ezekiel specifically wrote that these offerings will make atonement (45:15, 17, 20). The word for “atonement” in Ezekiel is the same as the word used in Leviticus. Third, the parallel between sacrifices and the Lord’s Supper intimates that animal sacrifices had no efficacy whatsoever."



    "With this background, we can better appreciate the significance of today’s passage and its description of worship in this new temple during the era of restoration. Note that the east gate of the inner court remains closed all day every day except the Sabbath and the day of the festival of the new moon (46:1). The north and south gates remain open on a daily basis so that worshippers can present daily offerings, but the east gate is closed. On the days that the east gate on the inner court is open all day, only the prince—the king and leader of Israel—can enter by it (vv. 2–8). Also, this east gate can be opened at any time the prince wants to make a freewill offering, but it only stays open for the duration of the offering (v. 12). Since only the prince can enter by the same east gate of the inner court that God entered in Ezekiel 43, the true prince of the restoration is identified with Yahweh in a special way.

    Although the prince enters the inner court of the temple complex by the east gate, he enters the outer court with the people by the north gate or the south gate (vv. 9–10). The point is that the prince of the restoration identifies himself with his people in leading them into God’s presence. Moreover, the prince offers sacrifices (vv. 4–7). The king in ancient Israel occasionally offered sacrifices (1 Chron. 16:1–3), but the priests alone offered the regular offerings. Ezekiel’s prince has an even greater role in the community’s regular worship.

    Jesus fulfills Ezekiel’s vision of the prince. He is identified with both Yahweh and His people, being truly God and truly man (John 1:1–18). And He offered the only sacrifice needed for us to come regularly before God—the once-for-all sacrifice of Himself (Heb. 9:11–28)."


    We are also told in Ezekiel that the "prince" would do the offering.

    If Jesus is both the King and Prince of the people, it goes against what is said in Hebrews about sacrificing. Why would Jesus, King and Prince, make a "sin-offering" that He had already done? Are we to believe those sacrifices done in the millennium will be greater than that which Christ himself did?

    Come on.

    "Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them." -Eze. 43:10-11 (KJV)

    Did Israel do this before the Babylonian captivity?

    Did Israel do this during the Babylonian captivity?

    Did Israel do this after the Babylonian captivity?

    Did Israel do this during the Meds-Persian captivity?

    Did Israel do this during the Greek reign?

    Did Israel do this during the Roman reign?

    Did Israel do this after the Romans?

    Has Israel ever done this?

    Case closed.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  6. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    Christ's Millennial Reign: Old Covenant Sacrifices Reinstituted?

    By Dr. Paul M. Elliott

    "This teaching of Dispensationalism effectively denies Christ's total abrogation of the Old Covenant at the cross.

    We are frequently asked questions that we can summarize thus: The vast majority of Dispensationalists (and some non-Dispensational Premillennialists) teach that during the millennial reign of Christ on earth there will be a re-introduction of the Old Testament sacrificial system as part of a renewed system of temple worship. How can this be reconciled with the fact that Christ has fulfilled the Old Testament types and symbols?

    Let me explain why such a re-institution cannot be the case, according to Scripture.

    The Dispensationalist Claim

    In the book of Ezekiel, beginning in chapter 40, we find a prophecy in which Ezekiel is given a detailed vision of a temple. There are various interpretations of this prophecy, and it is not my purpose in this article to go into all of those possible interpretations. Hundreds of books have been written on that subject. The focus of the question we are presently addressing is on Ezekiel 43, beginning at verse 18:

    And He said to me, "Son of man, thus says the Lord God: 'These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it. You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,' says the Lord God. You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it. Then you shall also take the bull of the sin offering, and burn it in the appointed place of the temple, outside the sanctuary.

    'On the second day you shall offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they cleansed it with the bull. When you have finished cleansing it, you shall offer a young bull without blemish, and a ram from the flock without blemish. When you offer them before the Lord, the priests shall throw salt on them, and they will offer them up as a burnt offering to the Lord.

    'Every day for seven days you shall prepare a goat for a sin offering; they shall also prepare a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without blemish. Seven days they shall make atonement for the altar and purify it, and so consecrate it. When these days are over it shall be, on the eighth day and thereafter, that the priests shall offer your burnt offerings and your peace offerings on the altar; and I will accept you,' says the Lord God." (Ezekiel 43:18-27)

    Some who teach a return to the Old Testament sacrificial system also cite other passages in support, including Isaiah 56:6-8, Jeremiah 33:15-18, and Zechariah 14:16.

    Based on these passages, they claim that future animal sacrifices in a millennial temple will serve "as object lessons for the sinner, that sin was and is a horrible offense against God, and that the result of sin is death." [1] These sacrifices will be, as Dispensationalists often put it, a "memorial".

    An Absurdity

    However, it is absurd to say that such an object lesson or memorial will be needed. As we shall see, Scripture declares such a thing to be "useless". Premillennialists of all persuasions believe that Jesus Christ Himself, the full and final Sacrifice for sins, will be present on earth in Jerusalem, reigning during the millennium, His wounds on display to the entire world. It would be an insult to Christ to reinstitute the bloody type in the presence of the once-for-all Fulfillment.

    Furthermore, Ezekiel 43 speaks of these sacrifices not as memorials, but in the same terms by which they were spoken of in the Pentateuch, as offerings for sin (verses 19, 21, 22, 25), the means of purifying the altar (26), and the basis of acceptance (27). This is very clearly Old Covenant, pre-Cross language.

    Even the ordinance of the New Covenant, the Lord's Supper, is for the purpose of proclaiming "the Lord's death till He comes" (1 Corinthians 11:26, Acts 1:11). When Christ is once more visibly present, no such bloodless memorial - much less the bloody sacrifice of bulls and goats - will be needed.

    The New Testament Interprets the Old

    Dear Christian friend, regardless of your position on eschatology, you must always remember one thing as you look at Old Testament prophecy: The New Testament is God the Holy Spirit's commentary on the Old Testament. In the books of Acts, Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and especially in the book of Hebrews, we find this central fact bannered before us: All of the Old Testament ceremonial system was done away, forever, by the person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    No Turning Back

    There will be no return to the Levitical priesthood, ever:

    Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man. For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain." But now He has obtained a more excellent [literally, an utterly surpassing] ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. (Hebrews 8:1-6)

    There will be no turning back from the New Covenant to the Old, ever. Colossians 2:14 tells us that God has nailed the requirements of the Old Covenant to the cross of Christ; literally, He has put that covenant to death. Ephesians 2:15 tells us that Christ "has abolished [Greek katargesas, made null and void] in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances."

    Hebrews 8:13 tells us that by establishing the New Covenant in His blood, Christ has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" [Greek pepalaioken, useless because it is antiquated and outmoded]. The writer explains why this is true:

    Previously saying, "Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them" (which are offered according to the law), then He said, "Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God." He takes away [Greek anairei, abrogates] the first [the Old Covenant] that He may establish [staysay, put in its fixed place and keep intact] the second [the New Covenant in His blood]. By that will we have been sanctified [literally, we stand permanently separated unto God] through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:8-10).

    It was the settled will of God the Father from before the foundation of the world to abrogate the Old Covenant of types, symbols, and shadows by permanently instituting the New Covenant in His Son. And so we must view the prophetic vision of the temple in Ezekiel with these facts clearly in mind.

    What does that mean for the question we are considering? Simply this: Any interpretation of Old Testament prophecy, or of the book of Revelation, that posits a reintroduction of the Old Testament sacrificial system, is a plain denial of New Testament teaching. Scripture could not be more clear. Any such interpretation of Ezekiel is a plain denial of the all-sufficiency of the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who hold this tenet of Dispensationalism should seriously consider the warning of the writer to the Hebrews: The one who seeks to return to the Old Covenant in any manner has "trampled the Son of God underfoot" and "insulted the Spirit of grace" (Hebrews 10:29).

    This side of prophetic fulfillment, Christians will vary in our views of the significance of the temple of Ezekiel chapters 40 and following. But it is absolutely clear that Scripture rules out any interpretation of that prophecy which effectively denies, as Dispensationalism's does, the plain reality of the full and final abrogation of all things having to do with the Old Covenant at the Cross.


    1. One of many places where this view is expressed online is http://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-sacrifices.html, as viewed on 6/2/2012."

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  7. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter


    The OP delineates the prophetic Scriptures that refute you. The following is from another source, fully supporting the OP:

    Who is Jesus? High Priest and King

    Part XVI of the Series. Bible study on Jesus as our high priest and King.

    In this series we're talking about the names and descriptive phrases identifying Jesus. Thus far we've talked about Jesus as God, Lord, Savior, Christ, Creator, the Word, the Son of God, the life, the Light, the Lamb of God, the Firstborn, the head of the church, an Author, a Shepherd, and the propitiation for our sins.

    In this article, we talk about Jesus as our high priest and King.

    Jesus: King and Priest
    Jesus uniquely serves as King and priest, unlike anyone else of the Jewish nation.

    Jesus' priesthood is after the order of Melchizedek, who like Jesus was both King and priest (Heb. 7:1).

    • "Where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek" (Heb. 6:19-20).
    • "For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God . . ." (Heb. 7:1).
    Change of the Priesthood Foretold
    David foretells the change in the priesthood, from the Aaronic order to the order of Melchizedek.

    • "The Lord says to my Lord: 'Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.' The Lord will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, saying, 'Rule in the midst of Your enemies'" (Ps. 110:1-2).
    • "The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind, 'You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek'" (Ps. 110:4).
    A distinguishing trait of God's Messiah is that He's both priest and King. Therefore, as Jeremiah prophesies, there would be another covenant established by God, since one man couldn't hold both offices under the Mosaic Law.

    • "'Behold, days are coming,' declares the Lord, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt . . .'" (Jer. 31:31-32).
    The Law Changed
    Paul takes these points a step further, building on these Old Testament prophesies, which he references in Hebrews 5, 6, 7, and 8.

    Now he concludes that God changed the law, of necessity. His reasoning, besides the Old Testament Scriptures already pointed out, is that Jesus could not serve as priest and King under the Mosaic Law. Therefore, God had to change the law.

    • "For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests" (Heb. 7:12-14).
    Jesus came to fulfill the Mosaic Law (Matt. 5:17-18). In so doing, God established a new law so He could serve as our high priest in heaven, although He was from the tribe of Judah rather than the tribe of Levi.

    Thus speaking of the Mosaic Law, Paul says it was nailed to the cross, signifying it's fulfillment.

    • "Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross" (Col. 2:14).
    We Live Under the Law of Christ
    Today, we live under the law of Christ.

    The law of Christ is composed of the teachings of Christ, recorded by inspired writers of the gospel.

    • We must abide in the teaching (doctrine) of Christ to be saved (2 Jn. 1:9).
    • Christ's teaching (doctrine) is contained in Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16-17).
    • We must obey the gospel to be saved (2 Th. 1:8). Therefore, the law of Christ is contained in the gospel message.
    We must obey Jesus to be saved.

    • Jesus is the source of eternal salvation to those who obey Him (Heb. 5:9).
    • We'll be judged by Jesus' words (Jn. 12:48).
    Jesus, Priest Forever
    Like Melchizedek, Jesus is our high priest forever, perpetually.

    • "Where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek" (Heb. 6:20).
    • "Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he remains a priest perpetually" (Heb. 7:3).
    Since Jesus is a priest forever, He's become the guarantee of a better covenant, and able to save forever.

    • "So much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant. The former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers because they were prevented by death from continuing, but Jesus, on the other hand, because He continues forever, holds His priesthood permanently. Therefore He is able also to save forever . . ." (Heb. 7:22-25).
    Therefore, our hope is sure and steadfast, with Jesus as our high priest.

    • "This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever . . ." (Heb. 6:19-20).
    To be continued.

    Source: Who Is Jesus? High Priest and King.



  8. bbbbbbb

    bbbbbbb Well-Known Member

    I agree with you completely. Thank you.
  9. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter


    The temple Jesus will build in Zech.6:12=13, is the temple described in Ez.40-47:

    he Fourth Temple (Millennial Temple)

    The Temple of Ezekiel by Lambert Dolphin - This author believes that the third temple will be built by the Jews prior to Christ returning and in the earthquakes associated with His return in glory, it will be destroyed and this fourth temple will be built to Ezekiel’s specifications. This would make sense since the size of this temple described in Ezekiel would definitely include what is now the outer court plus more. Ezekiel 45:1-4 speaks of a holy portion of the land, that will contain the sanctuary and most holy place. This would imply the location being North of the Temple Mount. Ezekiel 48:8

    Most Orthodox Jews don’t believe the third temple will be built by Messiah.

    A great earthquake is associated with Christ’s arrival when “Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.” and “a great earthquake such as had never been since men were on the earth, so great was that earthquake. The great city [Jerusalem] was split into three parts...” (If the 3rd temple is there, how can it stand through all this?)

    The prophet Ezekiel (Ezekiel 40-48) describes in great detail a temple in Israel that is much too large to fit on the present Temple Mount site. The Temple of Ezekiel proper measures about 875 feet square, and it sits in the middle of a large consecrated area (See inset in diagram below). Ezekiel’s temple is also very different in many details from any previous temples that have existed in Israel (or elsewhere). Therefore most Bible scholars believe there will one day exist in the Holy Land a Fourth or “Millennial” Temple.

    Ezekiel also describes the reapportionment of the land in specific lots during the millennial kingdom. The temple and the temple district are not part of the rebuilt city of Jerusalem according to the details of this reapportionment. Note that the Temple area will be located to the North of rebuilt Jerusalem.

    I have an additional point to add about the millennial temple. Ezekiel 40-47describes in extreme detail the exact measurements and descriptions of this temple. Ezekiel was written in the Babylonian captivity, 591 BC - 571 BC. Solomon’s temple was destroyed in 586 BC. More specifically, Ezekiel tells us just before his visions of the temple he describes when it was...

    For the complete article: http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/Bible ... eMount.htm

    The difference in the dimensions of the Millennial temple as compared with the two previous ones:

    There is a vast difference between the Temple described by Ezekiel and that of the other Temples. For example, Temple researcher and archeologist Dr. Randall Price highlights the vast grandeur of Ezekiel's Temple compared to the others. " One of the problems for many who seek to interpret Ezekiel's vision of the Temple literally is the problem of the immense size of the building (compared to the sizes of the First and Second Temples). According to Ezekiel's text, the millennial city of Jerusalem and the Temple will together encompass a 2,500 square-mile area. The portion reserved for the priests and Levites is some 50 miles, while the Temple courts will be one mile square. These dimensions are larger than those of the modern State of Israel." (Randall Price, The Temple and Bible Prophecy, p. 531).

    The vast size of the temple has led some to interpret the Temple spiritually since the current physical landscape cannot hold the structures. However, God's work during the Great Tribulation provides ample descriptions of physical changes to the earth and the Temple proper will sit higher than any structure around. That currently is not the case, so the mountains surrounding the temple mount will be split (Zech. 13:4) and the Temple mount will rise (Zech. 14:10).

    For the rest of the article: [The article has been taken down]

    http://scofieldministries.blogspot.com/ ... by-dr.html

    The Millennial temple built by Jesus in Zech.6:12-13 ]

    With the carrying away of the Jews into Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, The House of David, The Throne of David, The Crown of David and the Kingdom of David were done away and not one of these has been restored nor will be restored until Jesus the Messiah returns to rule and reign for one thousand years at the Millennium Temple as described by Ezekiel.[/size]

    Since AD 70, the Jews have had no temple. as predicted by Hosea the prophet in 746 BC: "For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king and without a prince, and without a sacrifice and without an ephod ...Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days." [/size]

    We read in Zechariah, "Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both" (Zech 6:12-13). In several prophetical passages the Messiah is referred to as "the Branch" who will sit on the throne of David to rule the world. "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots" (Isa 11:1). "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth" (Jer 23:5). In Luke, the angel Gabriel proclaimed, "He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end" (Luke 1:32-33).[/size]

    In AD 634, the temple mount was taken over by the Muslims. In 1099, the crusaders captured it and turned the mosques into churches. Saladin returned it to Arab rule in 1187. The Jews liberated the temple mount from Jordanian control in the Six-Day War of 1967, but later returned it to the custody of the Muslim Waqf (Jordan). Today, the "Dome of the Rock" is situated near the centre of the temple mount, with the Al Aqsa Mosque at its southern end..[/size]

    ....In April 572 B.C. during Passover (14 years after the destruction of Solomon's Temple) Ezekiel was given a detailed plan and specifications for the Temple, the place of worship during the Millennium.

    The Millennial temple: "As described in Ezekiel (40:5 to 42:20), the outer dimensions of the temple complex form a square, 875 feet (500 cubits) across and in length. The temple faces east, as did the tabernacle and the temples of Solomon and of the Exile. The south, east, and north sides have an outer wall. Thirty rooms were also built on the second and third levels. The temple itself projects from inside the western wall, It has outer courts on three sides :south, east, and north, 175 feet in width. [/size]The very first features of the Millennial Temple described are the walls and gates (Ezekiel 40:5-37). The gates are complex security devices that must be passed by authorized persons only in order to enter the inner and outer courts (Ezekiel 40:5-16 20-37).[/size] [/size]Numerous cherubim adorn the temple (Ezekiel 41:17-20, 25). In the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:24) a purpose of cherubim was to keep persons out of unauthorized areas.

    For the rest of the outstanding article:
    biblestudent.com [The artiicle has been taken down]

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  10. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter



    The tribulation temple:
    Matthew 24:15 - When you see the “abomination of desolation,” spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place…
    2 Thessalonians 2:4 - "...so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God"
    Revelation 11:1 - "...Go and measure the temple of God and the alter..."

    The Millennial temple:

    Ezekiel 43:7 - "...this is the place of my throne...This is where I will live among the Israelites forever."

    Ezekiel 43:27 - …your priests will your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar, and I will accept you, declares the Lord.

    Zechariah 6:12 - Here is the Man whose name is the Branch, and he will…build the temple of the Lord.
    At the present time there is no temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem,
    the location of both the first and second Jewish Temples. Instead, two
    Muslim shrines, The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, stand on
    the Temple Mount. Meantime, the Jewish people to consider the Temple
    Mount to be the most sacred place for Jews in all the world. No wonder
    the Temple Mount is a political powder keg and must be part of any
    formula for peace in the Middle East!

    According to the Bible, a temple will once again stand on the Temple
    Mount. How and when the Temple Mount will be available for a future
    temple remains to be seen. Biblical prophecy “buffs” have proposed all
    kinds of potential scenarios for how all of this could take
    place—everything from earthquakes to explosives to the collapse of the
    Temple Mount platform!

    Some well-meaning Christians have felt that the biblical predictions of a
    future Temple should be spiritualized, saying that these prophecies
    refer to the Church or to the individual Christian. Indeed, 1
    Corinthians 3:16 makes it quite clear that the Church, as the body of
    Christ, is the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. And in 1 Corinthians
    6:19 we are taught that the physical body of every individual believer
    is to be honored and kept clean, because it is the temple of the Holy
    Spirit. But these wonderful New Testament truths do not alter the
    biblical predictions of a literal future Temple in Jerusalem.

    The question of a future Temple gets more complicated when we realize
    that the Bible teaches that two temples are yet to stand on the Temple
    Mount in the future. First will come a Tribulation Temple, followed by a
    Millennium Temple which will be built when the Lord returns and sets up
    His kingdom on this earth. Let's look at the Scriptures dealing with
    these two future temples.

    Here: Israel's Third and Fourth Temples

    Here: http://sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzeki ... Temple.htm [No tribulation temple shown]

    The following explains the vast differences in the dimensions of the Millennial temple described in Ez,40-47 over that of Zerubbabel's, in: http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.p ... ost5640230 Versus the following! Dimensions.Of the dimensions of this Temple there are given but few data. Hecatæus, a Greek writer contemporary with Alexander the Great, is quoted by Josephus ("Contra Ap." i. 22) as saying that the Temple area was enclosed by a wall a plethra, or 500 Greek feet, in length and 100 Greek cubits in breadth, i.e., 485½ × 145½ English feet. The altar was built of unhewn stones in conformity with the precepts of the Law (comp. I Macc. iv. 44 et seq.). The dimensions of the building were probably the same as those of Solomon's Temple, though the edifice was apparently at first lacking in ornament. It was probably because the building was less ornate that the old men who had seen the former Temple wept at the sight of its successor (Ezra iii. 12; Josephus, "Ant." xi. 4, § 2). Nehemiah in rebuilding the city wall followed the lines of the former wall, and it is altogether likely that the old lines were followed in building the walls of the Temple also. The statement in Ezra vi. 3 that Cyrus gave permission to make the Temple 60 cubits high and 60 cubits broad has probably no connection with its actual dimensions: how the statement arose can now be only conjectured. The authorities for this period make no mention of the palace of Solomon. If the wall of the Temple was at this period less than 500 feet long, the whole Temple court occupied but about one-third the length of the present Ḥaram area, and less than half its width (comp. Baedeker, "Palestine and Syria," ed. 1898, p. 39). It is probable that the site of Solomon's palace either lay desolate or was covered by other dwellings.

    The Temple was surrounded by two courts (I Macc. i. 22, iv. 48); but until the time of Alexander Jannæus (104-79 B.C.) it would seem that these were separated by a difference of elevation only. That ruler surrounded the inner court with a wall of wood because the Pharisees, with whom he was unpopular, had pelted him with citrons while officiating at the altar at the Feast of Tabernacles (comp. "Ant." xiii. 13, § 5). The inner court contained chambers for storing the garments of the priests (I Macc. iv. 38, 57). The stone altar of burnt offering probably occupied the site of the bronze altar in Solomon's Temple.

    Source: Article no longer up.

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  11. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον


    It has been shown to you, by me personally, how Ezekiel's vision was a "conditional promise" by God conditional on what Eze. 43:11 says.

    And again, if Jesus will rule as King of Kings, Lord of Lords, David cannot be king also. If there is a "prince" in Israel, then a legitimate "prince" would have be Jesus' lineage.

    If Jesus is the "prince" mentioned in the last nine chapters of Ezekiel, and it clearly says the prince would do some of the offering, then why would Jesus offer unto Himself?

    If Jesus is the Supreme "High Priest" as the New Testament says, why would He require "high priests" from the lineage of Zadok to do any "sin-offering"?

    There are numerous passages in the last nine chapters of Ezekiel that refer to sacrifices that "atone", and "reconcile". Since AD 33 (?) no sacrifice since, and no "future" sacrifice can do that. Period!

    Jesus' death on the cross, His shed blood ended the sacrifices forever! That is unless you completely say the New Testament is wrong.

    And like I said and have shown you, the supposed "sacrifices" in Ezekiel are not "memorial" to remind Israel of their sins and what they did, and they are not "ceremonial" of what Christ did for them, the Hebrew language dictates that they mean what they mean. Sacrifices literally for "sin-offerings", sacrifices literally for atonement, sacrifices literally for reconciliation.

    Ezekiel also makes it clear that if this were literally the case, to a certain extent, some re-institution of the Law would take place. And that Gentiles who are lucky enough to survive and make it to the millennium, would be required to submit to Judaism in that they would have to submit to "ritual" circumcision in order to approach the temple, let alone bring their offerings to the "high priest" so he could offer them to the Lord.

    You keep using articles with a unique Jewish P.O.V. So we have to think that you adopt a "hard-core" dispensational viewpoint. That has always had one plan for Israel, and one plan for Gentiles, with the Jewish plan being fulfilled during the millennium. But you have been shown that that viewpoint has a serious "hole" in it in that Gentiles would be subject to "Judaism" or more plainly, "legalism" during the millennium.

    Everything that was revealed to Ezekiel in the last nine chapters were conditional. If you do this, I will do this.

    And the condition God placed on Israel is found in Eze. 43:11.

    I'm sorry as can be, but your wrong, and you have been shown many times.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  12. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter


    First of all, the prince you are referring to in "the last nine chapters of Ez," is not Jesus! It is the chief priest of the 24 courses of priests, that rotates periodically through all 24 courses, continuously.

    The articles I have posted from sources other that from me personally, reveal clearly, how the belief you hold about this issue have been refuted. Hence your claim that "I am wrong," is standing me up, as the responsible person to answer for the three or four sources those articles come from, who refute you.

    FYI, my friend, you are swimming upstream in denying the three offices Jesus holds as King, Priest and Prophet, according to the Scriptures, as I have previously posted.

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  13. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    I have denied nothing.

    You on the other hand...

    A re-institution of at least a "limited" Law. (Against this: Col. 2:14)

    Both Jews and Gentiles alike must submit to "ritual" circumcision. (Against this, Gal. 5:6; 6:15)

    A new Priesthood. (Against this: Heb. 5-13)

    Sin-offering to make atonement and reconciliation. (Against this Heb. 7-10; Rom. 5:10; 2 Cor. 5:18; Col. 1:21)

    The New Testament disagrees, and the OT, cannot disagree with the NT or the scriptures ain't worth the paper their written on.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  14. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter


    You wrote: "You keep using articles with a unique Jewish P.O.V. So we have to think that you adopt a "hard-core" dispensational viewpoint. That has always had one plan for Israel, and one plan for Gentiles, with the Jewish plan being fulfilled during the millennium. But you have been shown that that viewpoint has a serious "hole" in it in that Gentiles would be subject to "Judaism" or more plainly, "legalism" during the millennium."

    That is pure amalgamated baloney. There are few sources of Scriptural knowledge than that which comes from Jewish Christian sources, for more reasons than one. The simple difference between the Church and Israel is that the Church consists of believers in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. While Israel consists of mon-believers in Jesus Christ as their Messiah. The latter will change, at the second coming of Jesus, according to Zech.12:10.

    It seems to me, you deny the Scriptural fact that Jesus will reign in the offices of both King and High Priest. Which has no bearing on the function of the 24 Courses of Levitical priests performing their services.

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  15. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    If, Jesus is our "High Priest" as the New Testament says, why would people need a new priesthood as Ezekiel says?

    That is false according to Ezekiel. There will one group, Jews and Gentiles that will have to adhere to some sort of a "limited" Law. i.e.: circumcision, sacrificing

    Like I showed, you ignore the fact that even in millennium, Jesus has already done away with sacrificing forever. Against that, from the Hebrew itself, makes it clear that the sacrifices will be real. No ceremonial. Not memorial. Not to remind the Jews what they did. Not to remind them they still have sin.

    The sacrifices will actually do what Ezekiel says.

    And that, cannot be.

    And in spite of that, you still present articles with a Jewish perspective, which proves my point that you believe the Dispensational P.O.V. in that God will fulfill His promises to Israel during the millennium.

    And I have also shown you that from Ezekiel's own words, since Israel did not do as they were told, God does not have to keep His word. (cf. Eze. 43:11)

    New Testament scripture proves you wrong. Period!

    And we both know, scripture cannot contradict itself, otherwise its not worth the paper its written on.

    So keep contradicting the New Testament.


    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  16. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter



    Zech.6:12 "Tell him this is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘Here is the man whose name is the Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of the Lord 13 It is he who will build the temple of the Lord, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit and rule on his throne. And he will be priest on his throne. And there will be harmony between the two.’

    Pr.3:4 "So you will find favor and good repute In the sight of God and man. 5Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not leanon your own understanding. 6In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight."

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  17. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    Like I said, I do not dispute that Jesus will rule supreme.

    Not once in this thread have I disputed that!

    But there are things in this thread that contradict the New Testament.

    And either you will not, cannot see, or accept it!

    And since you think that what Ezekiel says will happen, in spite of being shown the New Testament contradicts it, you persist.

    Whether you believe it or not, you show every sign of classic dispensational beliefs. From my discussion, I have observed that you apparently hold to this from dispensationalism:

    "a fundamental distinction between Israel and the church, i.e. there are two peoples of God with two different destinies, earthly Israel and the spiritual church"

    *Ryrie, C.C., Dispensationalism (Moody Press, 1995), 39-40

    This is very apparent in that what God promised in the Old Testament to Israel, will be fulfilled during the millennium. And apparently, any Gentile that survives the "Great Tribulation" and makes it to the millennial reign, will have to submit to Judaism (a limited "Law"). That is, according to Ezekiel.


    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  18. Quasar92

    Quasar92 Well-Known Member Supporter


    Your concept of what and how Jesus ministry wil consist of is pure speculation. One thing about it is certain; it will all come directly from His Word, the Holy Bible.

  19. DeaconDean

    DeaconDean γέγονα χαλκὸς, κύμβαλον ἀλαλάζον

    That's right.

    And have ignored what His word in the NT says.

    Plain and simple.

    God Bless

    Till all are one.
  20. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

    United States
    Yeah I thought as much.
    There are 2 dispensations, the OC and NC. As shown in this covenantle parable of Luke 16:

    Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

    Luke 16:26
    " 'And besides all this, between US[NC Jesus] and YE[OC Moses] there is a great gulf fixed,
    so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' "

    Everything you always wanted to know about this controversial doctrine but were afraid to ask.
    And for good reason!

    Dispensationalism | Grace Online Library

    .........Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking.
    So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those, who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions, testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place......................................

    Dispensational theology centers upon the concept of God’s dealings with mankind being divided into (usually) seven distinct economies or ‘dispensations’, in which man is tested as to his obedience to the will of God as revealed under each dispensation................

    The church, according to dispensational doctrine, was unforeseen in the Old Testament and constitutes a ‘parenthesis’ in God’s plan for Israel.
    In the future, the distinction between Jew and Gentile will be reestablished and will continue throughout all eternity.
    The ‘parenthesis’, or church age, will end at the rapture when Christ comes invisibly to take all believers (excepting OT saints) to heaven to celebrate the ‘marriage feast of the Lamb’ with Christ for a period of seven years......................