LDS How did the Mormon Jesus get his Exaltation?

[withwonderingawe]

I'm still trying to figure out what the question is?

 

[Lulav]

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[Rescued One]

Thank you, Mods. Now we can address the topic of the thread if the Mormons will please answer the simple question: How did Jesus get His exaltation?

 

[Jane_Doe]

Thank you, Mods. Now we can address the topic of the thread if the Mormons will please answer the simple question: How did Jesus get His exaltation?

See post #2.

 

[Rescued One]

Requirements for exaltation (per Mormonism) include temple marriage. Jesus is single. Mormons say Heavenly Father has a wife.

In 1909 the First Presidency, under Joseph F. Smith, issued a statement on the origin of man that teaches that "man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father," as an "offspring of celestial parentage," and further teaches that "all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity" (Smith, pp. 199-205).

Belief that there is a Mother in Heaven who is a partner with God in creation and procreation is not the same as the heavy emphasis on Mariology in the Roman tradition.

Today the belief in a living Mother in Heaven is implicit in Latter-day Saint thought. Though the scriptures contain only hints, statements from presidents of the church over the years indicate that human beings have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father.
Mother in Heaven

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. This understanding is rooted in scriptural and prophetic teachings about the nature of God, our relationship to Deity, and the godly potential of men and women.1 The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints.2
Mother in Heaven

 

[withwonderingawe]

Requirements for exaltation (per Mormonism) include temple marriage. Jesus is single. Mormons say Heavenly Father has a wife.

In 1909 the First Presidency, under Joseph F. Smith, issued a statement on the origin of man that teaches that "man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father," as an "offspring of celestial parentage," and further teaches that "all men and women are in the similitude of the universal Father and Mother, and are literally the sons and daughters of Deity" (Smith, pp. 199-205).

Belief that there is a Mother in Heaven who is a partner with God in creation and procreation is not the same as the heavy emphasis on Mariology in the Roman tradition.

Today the belief in a living Mother in Heaven is implicit in Latter-day Saint thought. Though the scriptures contain only hints, statements from presidents of the church over the years indicate that human beings have a Heavenly Mother as well as a Heavenly Father.
Mother in Heaven

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that all human beings, male and female, are beloved spirit children of heavenly parents, a Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. This understanding is rooted in scriptural and prophetic teachings about the nature of God, our relationship to Deity, and the godly potential of men and women.1 The doctrine of a Heavenly Mother is a cherished and distinctive belief among Latter-day Saints.2
Mother in Heaven

This is why there are some Mormons who do believe Jesus was married however most do not. There a small handful of Mormons who think the Holy Spirit is His future wife and they share the stewardship and that some day she will take a body and they will be sealed, but that is waaaaaaay out there and not very many believe such a thing. I'm just sure he will be if he hasn't already be sealed to some wonderful perfect woman, maybe a couple of them.

 

[BigDaddy4]

See post #2.

Post #2 does not answer the question, but only serves to deflect. Try again!

 

[BigDaddy4]

This is why there are some Mormons who do believe Jesus was married however most do not. There a small handful of Mormons who think the Holy Spirit is His future wife and they share the stewardship and that some day she will take a body and they will be sealed, but that is waaaaaaay out there and not very many believe such a thing. I'm just sure he will be if he hasn't already be sealed to some wonderful perfect woman, maybe a couple of them.

You are "sure" based on what?

 

[Rescued One]

This is why there are some Mormons who do believe Jesus was married however most do not. There a small handful of Mormons who think the Holy Spirit is His future wife and they share the stewardship and that some day she will take a body and they will be sealed, but that is waaaaaaay out there and not very many believe such a thing. I'm just sure he will be if he hasn't already be sealed to some wonderful perfect woman, maybe a couple of them.

If it's in the future, He can't already be exalted. Because it's a commandment and requirement.

John 5
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

 

[withwonderingawe]

If it's in the future, He can't already be exalted. Because it's a commandment and requirement.

John 5
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

You are trying so hard to put us in a box. Jesus/ Yahweh already was anointed God and shared in God's glory before he came to this earth. Ya know God's time isn't like our's. Jesus was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world as if it had already happened, Rev 13:8. Now you work that out in your own mind.

 

[BigDaddy4]

You are trying so hard to put us in a box. Jesus/ Yahweh already was anointed God and shared in God's glory before he came to this earth. Ya know God's time isn't like our's. Jesus was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world as if it had already happened, Rev 13:8. Now you work that out in your own mind.

Lds theology puts itself in its own box.

 

[mmksparbud]

Jesus can not be exalted after His resurrection as He never married, the marriage was never sealed by a Mormon priest. But even Moses, to whom God spoke to, can't be exalted by Mormon doctrine-----he, along with David are banned from that "exaltation"---they killed.

The murderer "shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come" (D&C 42:18).

 

[Jane_Doe]

Jesus can not be exalted after His resurrection as He never married, the marriage was never sealed by a Mormon priest. But even Moses, to whom God spoke to, can't be exalted by Mormon doctrine-----he, along with David are banned from that "exaltation"---they killed.

The murderer "shall not have forgiveness in this world, nor in the world to come" (D&C 42:18).

A couple of things here---

-- LDS don't actually have to be married in this life to be exaulted.
-- Whether or not Jesus was married has been speculated throughout Christiandom for centuries. Truthfully we don't know for sure one ware or another.
-- Your claims here about Moses are very mistaken. David is a bit more complicated.

 

[Rescued One]

You are trying so hard to put us in a box. Jesus/ Yahweh already was anointed God and shared in God's glory before he came to this earth. Ya know God's time isn't like our's. Jesus was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world as if it had already happened, Rev 13:8. Now you work that out in your own mind.

Jesus was NEVER not God. Joseph Smith LIED.

 

[mmksparbud]

A couple of things here---

-- LDS don't actually have to be married in this life to be exaulted.
-- Whether or not Jesus was married has been speculated throughout Christiandom for centuries. Truthfully we don't know for sure one ware or another.
-- Your claims here about Moses are very mistaken. David is a bit more complicated.

You guys are always doing this---forever going on about how wrong we are and how we've misunderstood---but do not explain!! If I am mistaken about Moses then you should state how. If David is more complicated then state how. You don't have to be married in this life???---but Jesus says that in the next life we neither marry nor are given in marriage. So how can anyone marry in the next life? Which is right---you or Jesus??

 

[Rescued One]

D&C 132
39 David’s wives and concubines were given unto him of me, by the hand of Nathan, my servant, and others of the prophets who had the keys of this power; and in none of these things did he sin against me save in the case of Uriah and his wife; and, therefore he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received his portion; and he shall not inherit them out of the world, for I gave them unto another, saith the Lord.

D&C 6
13 If thou wilt do good, yea, and hold out faithful to the end, thou shalt be saved in the kingdom of God, which is the greatest of all the gifts of God; for there is no gift greater than the gift of salvation.

 

[Jane_Doe]

You guys are always doing this---forever going on about how wrong we are and how we've misunderstood---but do not explain!! If I am mistaken about Moses then you should state how. If David is more complicated then state how. You don't have to be married in this life???---but Jesus says that in the next life we neither marry nor are given in marriage. So how can anyone marry in the next life? Which is right---you or Jesus??

My apologies for being short. I don't have a lot of time to write tonight (it's late), but I'll link you some stuff and can address it more thoroughly later. Big questions first:

-- Speculations as to Christ being married in this life-- you can pull up any example of that you'd like.
-- "Not given in marriage" question https://www.fairmormon.org/wp-conte...oesnt-matthew-contradict-eternal-marriage.pdf
-- ALL opportunities for salvation and exhalation are given to everyone, whether it's in this life or the next one. That includes marriage.

 

[Rescued One]

You guys are always doing this---forever going on about how wrong we are and how we've misunderstood---but do not explain!! If I am mistaken about Moses then you should state how. If David is more complicated then state how. You don't have to be married in this life???---but Jesus says that in the next life we neither marry nor are given in marriage. So how can anyone marry in the next life? Which is right---you or Jesus??

I rated this post winner because you are right: temple marriage is a requirement for eternal life. After writing D&C 132, Mormons discovered that could be problematic, so they perform temple marriages by PROXY for those who have died without it. The more a Christian studies Mormonism, the more he/she becomes aware of just how much that invention contradicts the Bible.