Jesus Held to Sola Scriptura

[jimmyjimmy]

Jesus endorsed tithing of dill, mint and cumin (Matthew 23:23.) This is a rabbinic enactment.

The tithing of herbs is from the rabbins. Yoma 83b

I would disagree with with that. Jesus was, as He always was, making a point. His point was not about tithing.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I need to reply, since you use scripture to try and justify your position.

Where is the context, when you try to rip two versus completely out of context?

1 John 3.6 context below.....
The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

The above is for a born again believer, which is clear as daylight to understand the context, right?

1 John 1 context below.....

6If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

The importance of statements above TOWARDS UNDERSTANDING the CONTEXT, that are coupled with conditional if statements, is that it requires acknowledgement of sins, rather than the concealing of sins.

What does today's wayward message been given by those who conform to the trending ways of the world?

They conceal the sins of the world and report as if sin does not exist and that refraining from sin is not the important message. Yet confession or acknowledgment of sin according to John, must be done for repentance to occur and a repeat of sin to be abolished. The context teaches the law of the heart through Sola scripture in a way, that rebukes Christians from pretending that everything is alright, that the sins don't need to be acknowledged before the Holy God, who does away with them, by the power of the cross of his only begotten Son.

The context of those two versus are completely different, like heaven is to earth.

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin?
Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

I don't believe you can do a proper exegesis of the above verses. You are welcome to prove me wrong

 

[Steve Petersen]

I would disagree with with that. Jesus was, as He always was, making a point. His point was not about tithing.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.
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His point was about prioritizing.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, justice, and mercy, and faith: but these ye ought to have done, and not to have left the other undone.
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His point was about prioritizing.

Without straining out gnats, I would agree. Focus, is a word I would use, as well. They had an incorrect focus.

 

[The Times]

You don't understand the message of the person who wrote half the books of the NT

I know that Paul spoke out against sin. The law was demonstrated through the actions and convictions of his heart. He spoke out against sexual immortality, whether it was to the Corinthians or the Romans. His message is one that uses Sola Scripture to support his claims. Much like how Churches today hold to Sola Scripture to support their claims to authority and succession.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I know that Paul spoke out against sin. The law was demonstrated through the actions and convictions of his heart. He spoke out against sexual immortality, whether it was to the Corinthians or the Romans. His message is one that uses Sola Scripture to support his claims. Much like how Churches today hold to Sola Scripture to support their claims to authority and succession.

I have given you the opportunity to prove me wrong

 

[The Times]

I have given you the opportunity to prove me wrong

It is not about proving you or my other Semitic brother in Christ wrong. The fact remains that Paul taught a new way to apply the Law. Paul stated that we the born again sanctified vessels of Christ become the letter of the law and so the written Mosaic law is rendered as a dead letter, because it can never change the heart of flesh, because it was applied to a heart of stone, which did not show mercy, faith, justice, forgiveness, love. The heart of stone said if you do not do this, then you will incur this penalty or punishment.

The difference between the heart of flesh and heart of stone is one is intrinsically and internalizing the Sola Scripture Law, whilst the other one is extrinsically and externalizing the Sola Scripture law, yet both are applying Sola Scripture though by different way of application.

Jesus said.....

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

The goal posts for committing one self to the law of Sola Scripture has been lifted up. Now, we cannot hide behind words and the letter, because our hearts expose us as righteous or guilty before the Holy God.

26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is not about proving you or my other Semitic brother in Christ wrong. The fact remains that Paul taught a new way to apply the Law. Paul stated that we the born again sanctified vessels of Christ become the letter of the law and so the written Mosaic law is rendered as a dead letter, because it can never change the heart of flesh, because it was applied to a heart of stone, which did not show mercy, faith, justice, forgiveness, love. The heart of stone said if you do not do this, then you will incur this penalty or punishment.

The difference between the heart of flesh and heart of stone is one is intrinsically and internalizing the Sola Scripture Law, whilst the other one is extrinsically and externalizing the Sola Scripture law, yet both are applying Sola Scripture though by different way of application.

Jesus said.....

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart

The goal posts for committing one self to the law of Sola Scripture has been lifted up. Now, we cannot hide behind words and the letter, because our hearts expose us as righteous or guilty before the Holy God.

26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws (Ezekiel 36:26-27)

I notice you chose not to answer the questions

 

[The Times]

I notice you chose not to answer the questions

Oh dear. Your question... go on spell it out please....I will endevour to give an answer, though I cannot guarantee that you will like it.

 

[redleghunter]

So which of the literal statements are correct?
No mention of born of God in either of them

Again, both. Notice "abideth,"

 

[stuart lawrence]

Oh dear. Your question... go on spell it out please....I will endevour to give an answer, though I cannot guarantee that you will like it.

Post 340&344

It's going to be difficult, as you didn't know what Paul.meant when he said the Christian must die to the law

 

[redleghunter]

They quoted the letter of the law. It was all they understood. Jesus said the higher points of the law were mercy, justice and faithfulness. But none of the 613 laws actually stated:
Thou shalt be merciful
Thou shalt be faithfull
Thou shalt show justice

So it was ignored. By preaching the letter if the law, they neglected the love of God, it was just cold, hard religion.
And, as no one can obey the letter of the law, for, the letter kills, they were full of hypocrisy concerning this

Yeah, that's why I posted the following :

Remember YHWH always demanded: "Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another." (Zechariah 7:9)

 

[redleghunter]

You say:
It( sola scripture) has to do with scripture being the ultimate authority. We cannot teach anything that does not agree with scripture.

Question

What did Paul mean by dying to the law

Answer

It means to die for the testimony of Jesus and where do you find the biographical account of Jesus?
Who said all scripture testifies of me?
Sola scripture is the law and the prophets

Do you agree with the above answer?
Does it explain correctly what Paul stated in scripture concerning dying to the law?

Why do you keep equating Sola Scriptura with "the letter of the law?"

 

[stuart lawrence]

Again, both. Notice "abideth,"

If I asked you if a person must be sinless in the flesh in order to be a Christian, I'm sure you would respond: No.
For you know Christians are not without sin(1john1:8)

However
If I asked you if you believed a person could be a Christian if they lived a continuous sinfull lifestyle, I imaging you would also say no( 1john3:6&9)

 

[stuart lawrence]

Why do you keep equating Sola Scriptura with "the letter of the law?"

The Times does. Haven't you read his posts?
He is a huge endorsement of my belief

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Why do you keep equating Sola Scriptura with "the letter of the law?"

I have the same question. The main theme in scripture is actually the gospel.

 

[redleghunter]

Today many preach another gospel, a worldly gospel of love, based on subjective moral law, that has no obligation to the Sola Scripture application of the law in the heart of flesh. They conceal the sins of the world and conform to the trending ways of the world and for that matter, they say......

QFT....

 

[stuart lawrence]

If one sees sin and immorality, one must reject it by the letter of the Law, that is Sola Scripture. If one does not righteously judge the world by Sola Scripture, then that individual has fallen away from the faith once given to the saints.

14But you must remain faithful to the things you have been taught. You know they are true, for you know you can trust those who taught you.15You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 17God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. (2 Timothy 3:14-17)

First sentance

 

[Neogaia777]

I have the same question. The main theme is scripture is actually the gospel.

The totality of scripture taken as whole is (or will be) about, or is, the (good news of) the "gospel of (the) grace" (of God)...

This is why teachers and believer's in law, just don't get it...

God Bless!

 

[Anguspure]

Indeed you are correct we are led as believers by the Holy Spirit and able to discern properly:

1 Corinthians 2:

10 For to us God has revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man that is in him? Thus also no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, in order that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 things which we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people. 14 But the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 Now the spiritual person discerns all things, but he himself is judged by no one. 16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord; who has advised him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

I believe the issues discussed with holding the Holy Scriptures authoritative, deal with when we have 7 people quoting what I just quoted coming to 7 different conclusions. All claiming the Holy Spirit led them to their conclusions.

What authoritative, transcendent source do we have to test the truth claims of all 7 people?

Perhaps the One who breathed scripture, for the time being at least, regards it as less important that we all have identical authoritative theological ideas than it is that we all recognize Christ crucified, buried and raised from the dead for the salvation of all.

Our unity is therefore in Christ alone and the theological discussion of scripture and doctrine while being of importance is never allowed to rise to a level where it becomes a divisive heresy. It is only human for their to be different ideas, views, opinions etc. (as we see on this forum), and where the people of God are living and active it is even more so. There is an old Jewish saying: Where you have 2 Jews you have 3 opinions.

If we find unity in the core truth of Christ alone then we can all afford, for a time, to hold some ideas that are not strictly correct and we can, while Loving them deeply from the heart, allow others to do the same while we wait for the Father to reveal all truth in His time.