Are ‘Antifa’ and the Alt-Right Equally Violent?

[Yonny Costopoulis]

It is amazing you can actually ask this, and be taken seriously.

I agree. But I think on forum vote Antifa win as guilty party.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Even Charles Manson said that they would be done away with in no contest if/when a race war should happen - through helter-skelter and disillusion.

What "helter-skelter" mean?

EDIT: I quit laziness and found myself. I see Manson have insane reality.

 

[tulc]

It is amazing you can actually ask this, and be taken seriously.

Well...I'm not sure how many people "take me seriously".
tulc(suspects he's more "annoying" then "serious")

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Well...I'm not sure how many people "take me seriously".
tulc(suspects he's more "annoying" then "serious")

I like tulc posts. Usually funny so is good.

I think post you reply to is about thoughts on forum that would say equal not you. Thread title is good for ideas of this forum.

 

[tulc]

What "helter-skelter" mean?

oh man...now I feel really old.
Charles Manson's Race War: The Beatles and Helter Skelter | HuffPost
tulc(remembers those days)

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

Wrong. People stand with Nazis and KKK and White Supremacist will lose. Always.

Χαίρετε, dear brother! That's exactly what I said. Any cause that those hating criminals from hell support, will lose because of their involvement. They deep it in dirt so dirty, it becomes unwashable. Their "support" is the worst kind of disservice there can be.

The community of Charlottesville was winning the battle to preserve American history until those lowlifes showed up...

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

oh man...now I feel really old.
Charles Manson's Race War: The Beatles and Helter Skelter | HuffPost
tulc(remembers those days)

Thank you for link. I stop laziness and find myself also. Manson have insane reality.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Χαίρετε, dear brother! That's exactly what I said. Any cause that those hating criminals from hell support, will lose because of their involvement. They deep it in dirt so dirty, it becomes unwashable. Their "support" is the worst kind of disservice there can be.

The community of Charlottesville was winning the battle to preserve American history until those lowlifes showed up...

Thank you. And apology for misunderstand post.

 

[mark kennedy]

The Alt-Right is far more violent, they don't know who they are messing with.

 

[Always in His Presence]

A person dresses in a hood, picks up a shield and club. Goes to a public place with the goal to crack skulls.

Regardless of what is on the shield or clothing, they are guilty of assault. No such things as levels of guilt. Either they commit the crime or they don't.

That is why the lady with the scales is blindfolded.

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

Thank you. And apology for misunderstand post.

No problem!

 

[USincognito]

Ugh, Confederate apologia and historical revisionism at it's worst.

General Lee never owned any slaves. When he got slaves as part of inheritance, he freed them immediately.

Wrong. Lee was instructed to free the slaves he inherited, but instead kept them until he got the estates finances back in order.
Robert E. Lee owned slaves, and other facts on the Civil War general
>>
In his will, Lee's father-in-law had asked that the family's slaves be emancipated after he died when "expedient and proper."

Lee, acting as executor of the wealthy man's will after he died, eventually complied, but not until after the slaves were kept in bondage long enough to right the financial ship of the plantation, which had fallen on hard times.

Lee owned slaves of his own before the Civil War, as late as 1852, and considered buying more even after that, according to Elizabeth Brown Pryor's biography, which is based on Lee's writings and correspondence. <<

The Union general Grant owned African slaves till the end of the civil war.

Wrong.
Presidents Who Owned Slaves - FactCheck.org
>> Grant owned a slave named William Jones, whom he freed in 1859. <<
1859 is two years before the Civil War started.

The Civil War was about import taxes more than anything.

Wrong.
The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States | Civil War Trust
>> The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. <<

 

[Gadarene]

As violent, perhaps not.

But violent enough that the left should be condemning and dissociating from them - not ignoring them while demanding the right apologise for a handful of Nazis, and then apologise some more for good measure!

"But they're not as violent as the Nazis" is a really weak excuse.

 

[Allandavid]

Technically speaking both sides have killed people and hurt people over time now. Both sides are guilty. Maybe we should just send such groups to the moon so the rest of us who aren't far leaning (in either direction) can leave relatively peaceful lives.

We know that at least one of the fascists in that mob has now murdered someone. Please identify the counterprotestors that have killed anyone...?

 

[ananda]

Are 'Antifa' and the 'Alt-Right' Equally Violent?

Both far-left communists and far-right nazis are equally reprehensible.

 

[Allandavid]

As violent, perhaps not.

But violent enough that the left should be condemning and dissociating from them - not ignoring them while demanding the right apologise for a handful of Nazis, and then apologise some more for good measure!

"But they're not as violent as the Nazis" is a really weak excuse.

And they're not representative...

Look...at any of these rallies, you know the makeup of the racist side of the equation....they are either Nazis or KKK or white supremacists. There are no "very fine people" in such a group. On the other hand, the people who counter-protest them are varied in their opposition. Yes, there is an element that voice their opposition through violent means, but the vast majority do not.

And this has been the recurring theme in these discussions....'those protesting the racists are just as bad'. They simply aren't, no matter how much Trump and his apologists would like to portray it...

 

[Gadarene]

And they're not representative...

As Nazis are not representative of the right.

The problem here is one side minimising the idiots on their side as not representative of their side but treating the same manner of idiots on the other side as totally representative of that side.

Look...at any of these rallies, you know the makeup of the racist side of the equation....they are either Nazis or KKK or white supremacists. There are no "very fine people" in such a group.

You know that how?

On the other hand, the people who counter-protest them are varied in their opposition. Yes, there is an element that voice their opposition through violent means, but the vast majority do not.

You know that how?

And this has been the recurring theme in these discussions....'those protesting the racists are just as bad'. They simply aren't, no matter how much Trump and his apologists would like to portray it...

As bad, no.

Similar enough that the left should really start calling its violent people out if it wants to be taken more seriously, yes.

 

[FireDragon76]

White nationalists are inherently violent in their message.

This is exactly what the community thinks. The community fought the criminal decision of the city council and won!

That's inflammatory language that doesn't seem warranted.

City councils are elected to do what is right, not what is popular necessarily.

 

[Gadarene]

Both far-left communists and far-right nazis are equally reprehensible.

Careful now, that's fascist talk. /s

 

[KCfromNC]

So, if the statue is staying and the park keeps its name, why were the Nazis and the KKK and the white supremacists there..?? What were they protesting about..?

With their typical complaints about American culture, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "a lack of racial purity in the US".