Hypothetical: Creationism becomes standard in science classes

[Paul of Eugene OR]

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

And why did you put JESUS in quotes?

Alas, since you merely quoted the Bible, you have not supplied a reason for believing the Bible. You could find quotes in the Koran that support believing the Koran, and would they persuade you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Alas, since you merely quoted the Bible, you have not supplied a reason for believing the Bible.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You could find quotes in the Koran that support believing the Koran, and would they persuade you?

Would they persuade you?

If not, okay if they don't persuade me either?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Would they persuade you?

If not, okay if they don't persuade me either?

Poor AV does not get the point once again. This has to be deliberate.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Would they persuade you?

If not, okay if they don't persuade me either?

So you admit the logic is flawed, so why use it?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Poor AV does not get the point once again. This has to be deliberate.

Not necessarily. Consider this poster also proves the superiority of the King James over all other translations by showing how the other translations differ, sometimes, from the King James.

It is truly possible it is a complete blind spot for him. A tragedy.

 

[bhsmte]

Not necessarily. Consider this poster also proves the superiority of the King James over all other translations by showing how the other translations differ, sometimes, from the King James.

It is truly possible it is a complete blind spot for him. A tragedy.

Some folks require these blind spots and big ones.

 

[Ajflyguy7]

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

And why did you put JESUS in quotes?

I just told you I don't believe the Bible to be the word of god, why do you think a Bible quote would change my mind? Why do you take the Bible to be an authority?

Why do you have a negative view of science? Science continually increases our knowledge and improves our lives. Religion is anti-knowledge and creates groups that hate those who are different from them. Religion can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

I just told you I don't believe the Bible to be the word of man,

Neither do I.

It is the word of God.

 

[Ajflyguy7]

Neither do I.

It is the word of God.

Obviously, I didn't catch my error there. I don't believe the Bible to be the word of God. Please review my updated comment and respond. Thanks!

 

[Subduction Zone]

Neither do I.

It is the word of God.

Not even the Bible makes that mistake.

 

[AV1611VET]

Obviously, I didn't catch my error there. I don't believe the Bible to be the word of God. Please review my updated comment and respond. Thanks!

Fair enough.

I just told you I don't believe the Bible to be the word of god, why do you think a Bible quote would change my mind?

I wasn't trying to change your mind.

You specifically asked this:

Why would anyone believe anything in the Bible?

I believe "anything in the Bible" because I believe the Bible is the word of God.

WHY I believe the Bible is the word of God is another story altogether.

I was just answering your question.

Why do I believe Joe's phone number is 555-5555? because the phone book says it, and I believe the phone book to be the most authoritative document.

Why do you take the Bible to be an authority?

Because I take It on faith. Faith that was generated and is now growing by reading It.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Why do you have a negative view of science?

I have a negative view of science when science contradicts the Bible.

I also have a negative view of science when science demoralizes our lives, (e.g., calling a "child in the womb" a "fetus"). Science is also proactive in its war on Christianity.

Science continually increases our knowledge and improves our lives.

No argument there.

But when science goes up against Christianity, we should kick back.

Religion is anti-knowledge and creates groups that hate those who are different from them.

Religion can take a hike.

Christianity isn't a religion: it is a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Religion can take a hike.

No argument there.

ETA: I asked you why you put JESUS in quotes.

 

[quatona]

I´m not sure why AV´s personal relationships should be taught in school.

 

[lesliedellow]

If the only things which could be taught were those which creationists deemed acceptable, America would go down the technological plughole, and the rest of the world would give three cheers for that, because it would be able to do without the competition from the former super power.

 

[AV1611VET]

If the only things which could be taught were those which creationists deemed acceptable, America would go down the technological plughole,

Can you give me a specific example please?

I just talked to my eye doctor yesterday, and he is a YEC.

My family physician is an evolutionist, but doesn't practice it at work.

And my Great Physician is a creationist.

So can you give me a specific example of how America would 'go down the plughole' if the only things which could be taught were those which creationists deemed acceptable? and specifically how it would do it?

 

[lesliedellow]

Can you give me a specific example please?

When creationists need to explain away the fact that stars more than 6,000 light years distant are visible to us, they will typically try to suggest that the speed of light might not be constant.

Unfortunately, that would mean that the permeability of free space, or the permitivity of free space, or both, were not constant. In fact, for that line of argument to work at all, they would have to vary wildly. Given that electro magnetism is one of the four fundamental forces, that would spell big big trouble for just about every branch of the physical sciences (and their associated technologies).

 

[AV1611VET]

When creationists need to explain away the fact that stars more than 6,000 light years distant are visible to us, they will typically try to suggest that the speed of light might not be constant.

There are ways around that argument that can keep America beautiful.

 

[lesliedellow]

There are ways around that argument that can keep America beautiful.

Sure there are.

 

[Ajflyguy7]

Fair enough.

I wasn't trying to change your mind.
You specifically asked this:
I believe "anything in the Bible" because I believe the Bible is the word of God.
WHY I believe the Bible is the word of God is another story altogether.
I was just answering your question.
Why do I believe Joe's phone number is 555-5555? because the phone book says it, and I believe the phone book to be the most authoritative document.
Because I take It on faith. Faith that was generated and is now growing by reading It.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
I have a negative view of science when science contradicts the Bible.
I also have a negative view of science when science demoralizes our lives, (e.g., calling a "child in the womb" a "fetus"). Science is also proactive in its war on Christianity.
No argument there.
But when science goes up against Christianity, we should kick back.
Religion can take a hike.
Christianity isn't a religion: it is a relationship with Jesus Christ.
No argument there.
ETA: I asked you why you put JESUS in quotes.

Why do you believe the Bible is the word of God? I would like to hear your story.

Science contradicts the Bible because the Bible is wrong. It was written by men who had a very elementary understanding of the world and universe. Do you believe there is a firmament that separates the waters above from the waters below? Do you believe the Noah's Ark story is true or that a man lived inside of a whale? Scientifically, we know those things didn't happen.

Science doesn't demoralize our lives, it improves our understanding of the world around us. Science isn't proactive in a war against Christianity, people are. The Bible is as scientific as a nursery rhyme or fairy tale. One day, I'd like to visit the four corners of the Earth.

If you take a belief based on faith, does that mean it is a true belief? Or could you believe anything based on faith?

Personally, if science and Christianity disagree, we should follow science. Science is backed up by information, reason, and a process of confirmation. Religion is based on faith with no real backing.

I put Jesus in quotes because we don't really have any information about Jesus from anyone who lived at the time of Jesus. We have lots of information from many decades to centuries after and no eyewitness accounts of the resurrection.

 

[KWCrazy]

When creationists need to explain away the fact that stars more than 6,000 light years distant are visible to us, they will typically try to suggest that the speed of light might not be constant.

It was made that way. God intended us to see the stars from the beginning and that's what happened. One of God's miracles is not greater than another; all are equally impossible.

 

[lesliedellow]

It was made that way. God intended us to see the stars from the beginning and that's what happened. One of God's miracles is not greater than another; all are equally impossible.

So God carefully positioned photons in space, so that they were close to Earth, even though the stars they were supposedly coming from were tens of thousands of light years away?

Is there no end to the idiocies YECs can come up with?