Jesus is returning to reign on earth according to the OT prophets and His disciples

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No. That's what YOU say...read what the passage says CAREFULLY...Matthew 27:52-53:
LOR=#ff0000]The tombs were opened[/COLOR], and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised
Are you arguing that their TOMBS where ELSEWHERE than ON the EARTH ?

Yet again, after that, Jesus pronounces Jerusalem DESOLATE in Matthew 23:37-39. How can the city in which the Lord was crucified be holy? Especially after God rips the curtain in half to the "Holy of Holies" in Matthew 27:51
After Jesus WAS crucified the City CEASED TO BE HOLY....Jesus FORETOLD Jerusalem's destruction in Matthew 23:37-39[left desolate] and Matthew 24:1-2 fulfilling Daniel 9:27......which happened in 70 AD.
27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations [shall come] one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall [wrath] be poured out upon the desolate.





No it doesn't...you think that. This is proof the Holy City is in heaven and will come to earth...Revelation 21:2:
the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down out of heaven ]from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
-- The Heavenly Jerusalem will descend on the Earth AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment.
 
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Are you arguing that their TOMBS where ELSEWHERE than ON the EARTH ?
No. I'm arguing that the "Holy City" is somewhere else! Just as Abraham was NOT looking for an earthly city (as I quoted Hebrews 11:10), the "Holy City" those resurrected saints of Matthew 27:52-53 was not earthly Jerusalem. It was the heavenly...the "Jerusalem above" that Paul speaks of in Galatians 4:26 and the Jerusalem of Revelation 21:2. This is why the Matthew 27:52-53 passage stresses that AFTER Jesus resurrection, those saints went into the Holy City. Just as it is said in 1 Cor 15:50 stresses "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God". Those resurrected OT saints are the firstfruits of the resurrection. Christ cleared the way for them when He was resurrected!

After Jesus WAS crucified the City CEASED TO BE HOLY....Jesus FORETOLD Jerusalem's destruction in Matthew 23:37-39[left desolate] and Matthew 24:1-2 fulfilling Daniel 9:27......which happened in 70 AD.
27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations [shall come] one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall [wrath] be poured out upon the desolate.
Here again you're making a category mistake Riberra. This prophecy is not future. Why do you omit Daniel 9:26, which is clearly speaking of Jesus?

-- The Heavenly Jerusalem will descend on the Earth AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment.
You're ignoring that even before that Paul is speaking of the Jerusalem above...and making it very clear SHE IS OUR MOTHER! Therefore...when we die and are absent from the body, present with the Lord we enter New Jerusalem which Jesus made a way for after His resurrection.
 
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No. I'm arguing that the "Holy City" is somewhere else!
Your point is that their FLESH bodies of these OT Saints were resurrected elsewhere than on the Earth ...while the text say that they were SEEN rising from their TOMBS...AND they were SEEN entering the holy city.

Those resurrected OT saints are the firstfruits of the resurrection. Christ cleared the way for them when He was resurrected!
You are wrong to say that these OT Saints that were temporary resurrected [like Lazarus who died after] were the First Fruits .....the text say that JESUS -IS- the FIRST FRUITS THEN THOSE WHO ARE -IN CHRIST- AT HIS COMING.
1 Corinthians 15
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Here again you're making a category mistake Riberra. This prophecy is not future. Why do you omit Daniel 9:26, which is clearly speaking of Jesus?
I have not said that Daniel 9:27 is future... - i said FULFILLING Daniel 9:27.

everything about Daniel 70 weeks have been fulfilled ...Jesus have been cut off [killed] in the middle of the 70 TH week ...
and finally the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD closed the part about the desolation from the people of the prince who shall come...

You're ignoring that even before that Paul is speaking of the Jerusalem above...and making it very clear SHE IS OUR MOTHER! Therefore...when we die and are absent from the body, present with the Lord we enter New Jerusalem which Jesus made a way for after His resurrection.
The sentence that Paul use is WHEN WE DIE ....-WE- is referring to the believers when they DIE.

That is OUR SOUL who goes to HEAVEN at this point....waiting for the Resurrection.
-One MASSIVE resurrection will happen AT HIS COMING [Revelation 20:4-6...

-The OTHER MASSIVE resurrection will happen 1,000 years after ie AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT [ Revelation 20:7-21]
 
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Your point is that their FLESH bodies of these OT Saints were resurrected elsewhere than on the Earth ...while the text say that they were SEEN rising from their TOMBS...AND they were SEEN entering the holy city.
No...the scripture doesn't say "flesh bodies" it says their "bodies" were raised. It is a resurrection because Jerusalem is not the holy city after the death of Christ. Once again the passage makes the point that this is AFTER Jesus resurrection they went into the holy city
You are wrong to say that these OT Saints that were temporary resurrected [like Lazarus who died after] were the First Fruits .....the text say that JESUS -IS- the FIRST FRUITS THEN THOSE WHO ARE -IN CHRIST- AT HIS COMING.
1 Corinthians 15
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
First, you're assuming this was a temporary resurrection. The many they appeared to are in the holy city above...the New Jerusalem...which is called the holy city in Revelation 21:2

Second, notice the plurality in that passage..."THE FIRST FRUITS of those who have fallen asleep" as Matthew said "the bodies of saint's who had fallen asleep were raised". This is talk of Pentecost, also called "the feast of firstfruits". I stand on the OT saints raised AFTER Jesus resurrection, are the first fruits of resurrection along with Christ...who was raised first. They went with Christ into New Jerusalem.

I have not said that Daniel 9:27 is future... - i said FULFILLING Daniel 9:27.

everything about Daniel 70 weeks have been fulfilled ...Jesus have been cut off [killed] in the middle of the 70 TH week ...
and finally the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD closed the part about the desolation from the people of the prince who shall come...
Thanks for the correction...my bad.

The sentence that Paul use is WHEN WE DIE ....-WE- is referring to the believers when they DIE.

That is OUR SOUL who goes to HEAVEN at this point....waiting for the Resurrection.
-One MASSIVE resurrection will happen AT HIS COMING [Revelation 20:4-6...

-The OTHER MASSIVE resurrection will happen 1,000 years after ie AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT [ Revelation 20:7-21]
Riberra, there is ONE final resurrection not two. Also there will be no literal 1000 year reign. Jesus is reigning RIGHT NOW. The term 1000 is figurative of Christ entire reign...after that He returns the reign to God the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 makes it clear.
 
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No...the scripture doesn't say "flesh bodies" it says their "bodies" were raised. It is a resurrection because Jerusalem is not the holy city after the death of Christ. Once again the passage makes the point that this is AFTER Jesus resurrection they went into the holy city

First, you're assuming this was a temporary resurrection. The many they appeared to are in the holy city above...the New Jerusalem...which is called the holy city in Revelation 21:2

Second, notice the plurality in that passage..."THE FIRST FRUITS of those who have fallen asleep" as Matthew said "the bodies of saint's who had fallen asleep were raised". This is talk of Pentecost, also called "the feast of firstfruits". I stand on the OT saints raised AFTER Jesus resurrection, are the first fruits of resurrection along with Christ...who was raised first. They went with Christ into New Jerusalem.
The Bible tell us that Jesus ascended to Heaven 40 days AFTER HIS RESURRECTION.Can you show us the verses saying that those resurrected OT SAINTS have been seen with Jesus when Jesus ascended to Heaven ?
 
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1) The Psalms
  • Psalm 2:6-9 — David says the Messiah will reign over “the very ends of the earth” from Mount Zion in Jerusalem.
  • Psalm 22:27-31 — David again affirms that the Messiah will be given dominion over “the ends of the earth” at the time when He “rules over the nations.”
  • Psalm 47 — The sons of Korah rejoice over the day when the Lord will be “a great King over all the earth,” and they state that this will take place when the Lord subdues the “nations under our feet.”
  • Psalm 67 — An unidentified psalmist speaks prophetically of the time when the nations of the world will “be glad and sing for joy.” This will be when the Lord comes to “judge the peoples with uprightness.” At that time the Lord will “guide the nations on the earth” so that “all the ends of the earth may fear Him.”
  • Psalm 89:19-29 — The psalmist, Ethan, speaks of the Davidic Covenant and proclaims that it will be fulfilled when God makes His “first-born the highest of the kings of the earth.”
  • Psalm 110 — David says a time will come when God will make the enemies of the Messiah a footstool under His feet. This will occur when the Messiah stretches forth His “strong scepter from Zion.” At that time He will “rule in the midst of His enemies,” for… “He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath, He will judge among the nations.”
  • Psalm 132:13-18 — An unnamed psalmist speaks of God’s fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant. He says this will occur at a time when “the horn of David” springs forth to reign from Zion. He says “His crown will shine,” and He will make Zion His “resting place forever” for He will dwell there.
2) Isaiah
  • Isaiah 2:1-4 — Isaiah says that “in the last days” the Messiah will reign from Mount Zion in Jerusalem and the entire world will experience peace.
  • Isaiah 9:6-7 — The Messiah will rule from the throne of David, giving the world a government of peace, justice, and righteousness. (Note: The throne of David is not in Heaven. It is located in Jerusalem — see Psalm 122. Jesus is not now on the throne of David. He sits at the right hand of His Father on His Father’s throne — see Revelation 3:21.)
  • Isaiah 11:3b-9 — The Messiah will bring “righteousness and fairness” to the earth when He returns to “slay the wicked.” At that time, the curse will be lifted and the plant and animal kingdoms will be restored to their original perfection.
  • Isaiah 24:21-23 — When the Messiah returns, He will punish Satan and his demonic hordes in the heavens and then will punish “the kings of the earth, on earth.” He will then “reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem” for the purpose of manifesting His glory.
3) Jeremiah
  • Jeremiah 23:5 — “‘Behold, the days are coming,’ declares the Lord, ‘when I shall raise up for David a righteous Branch; and He will reign as king and act wisely and do justice and righteousness in the land.'” (Note: The term, “Branch,” is a Messianic title.)
  • Jeremiah 33:6-18 — A day will come when the Lord will regather the dispersed of both Judah and Israel and will save a great remnant. At that time the Lord “will cause a rigthteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth.”
4) Ezekiel
  • Ezekiel 20:33-44 — The Lord says a day will come when He will regather the Jews to their land and will “enter into judgment” with them. He says that at that time “I shall be king over you.” He then adds that “the whole house of Israel, all of them, will serve Me in the land.”
  • Ezekiel 37:24-28 — The Lord says that He will dwell in the midst of Israel after a remnant of the Jews is regathered to the land and saved, and He promises that “David My servant shall be their prince forever.”
  • Ezekiel 39:21-29 — The Lord says that following the battle of Armageddon (verses 17-20), “I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed, and My hand which I have laid on them.”
  • Ezekiel 43:7 — While being given a tour of the future Millennial Temple, Ezekiel is told by the Lord: “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet; where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever.”
5) Daniel
  • Daniel 7:13-14,18,27 — Daniel says he was given a vision in which he saw the Messiah (“Son of Man”) given dominion over all the earth by God the Father (“the Ancient of Days”). And then he adds in verses 18 and 27 that the kingdom is shared “with the saints of the Highest One,” and they are allowed to exercise sovereignty with Him over “all the kingdoms under the whole heaven.”
6) Hosea
  • Hosea 3:4-5 — The Jews will be set aside “for many days,” but a time will come “in the last days” when they “will return and seek the Lord their God and David their king.”
7) Joel
  • Joel 3:14-17,21 — Joel says that following the battle of Armageddon (verses 14-16), the Lord will dwell “in Zion, My holy mountain.” He repeats this in verse 21. And in verse 17 He identifies Zion as the city of Jerusalem.
8) Micah
  • Micah 4:1-7 — Micah repeats in greater detail the prophecy contained in Isaiah 2. Like Isaiah, he says the Lord will make Jerusalem the capital of the world. The world will be flooded with peace and prosperity. All believing Jews will be regathered to Israel, and “the Lord will reign over them in Mount Zion.”
9) Zephaniah
  • Zephaniah 3:14-20 — This entire book is devoted to a description of the day the Lord will return to the earth in vengeance. The prophet says that at the end of that day, when the Lord’s enemies have been destroyed, the Jewish remnant will shout in triumphant joy because “the King of Israel, the Lord,” will be in their midst.
10) Haggai
  • Haggai 2:20-23 — The Lord says that a day will come when He will “overthrow the thrones of kingdoms and destroy the power of the kingdoms of the nations.” Then, using Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, as a type of the Messiah, the prophet adds: “‘On that day,’ declares the Lord of hosts, ‘I will take you, Zerubbabel, son of Shealtiel, my servant,’ declares the Lord, ‘and I will make you like a signet ring, for I have chosen you,’ declares the Lord of hosts.” The reference to the signet ring means the Father will grant His Son ruling authority.
11) Zechariah
  • Zechariah 2:10-13 — The Lord says that when He comes, He will “dwell in the midst” of the Jews, possessing Judah as “His portion in the holy land” and again choosing Jerusalem.
  • Zechariah 6:12-13 — When the Messiah (“the Branch”) returns, He will build a temple and “rule on His throne,” and the offices of priest and king will be combined in Him. Thus, “He will be a priest on His throne.”
  • Zechariah 8:2-3 — The Lord promises that when He returns to Zion, He will “dwell in the midst of Jerusalem,” and Jerusalem will be called “the city of Truth.”<
  • Zechariah 9:10 — The Messiah will bring peace to the nations and “His dominion will be from sea to sea.”
  • Zechariah 14:1-9 — The Messiah will return to the Mount of Olives. The Mount will split in half when His foot touches it, and the Jewish remnant left alive in Jerusalem will flee the city and hide in the cleavage of the Mount. Verse 9 says that on that day, “the Lord will become king over all the earth.”
Jesus is returning to reign over the earth because the New Testament prophets say so.

1) Peter
  • Acts 3:21 — In his sermon on the portico of Solomon, Peter says Jesus must remain in Heaven “until the period of the restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.” The period of restoration spoken of here will occur during the Millennium when the curse is partially lifted and nature is restored (Romans 8:18-23).
2) Paul
  • 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 — Paul says that when Jesus returns “dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel,” He will also come for the purpose of being glorified before His saints. The return of Jesus to be glorified before His saints and all the nations of the world is one of the persistent themes of Old Testament prophecy (Isaiah 24:23, Isaiah 52:10,13, Isaiah 61:3, and Psalm 46:10).
  • 2 Timothy 2:12 — Paul says “if we endure, we shall also reign with Him.”
3) John
  • Revelation 12:5 — John sees a vision in which a sun clothed woman (Israel) gives birth to a male child (Jesus) “who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron.”
  • Revelation 19:15-16 — In his description of Jesus returning to earth, John says He bears the title, “King of kings and Lord of lords,” and John says He will “rule the nations with a rod of iron.”
  • Revelation 20:4,6 — John says that after the return of Jesus to the earth, He will reign with His saints (“those to whom judgment has been given”) for a thousand years.

Jesus is returning to earth to reign because the Heavenly Host say so.

1) Gabriel
  • Luke 1:26-38 — When the archangel Gabriel appeared to Mary, he told her that she would bear a son named Jesus who would be called “the Son of the Most High.” He then added three promises that are yet to be fulfilled: “the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever; and His kingdom will have no end.”
2) The Four Living Creatures and the 24 Elders
  • Revelation 5:9-10 — When John is raptured to Heaven and finds himself standing before the throne of God (Revelation 4), he hears “the four living creatures” (special angelic creatures called seraphim in Isaiah 6) and “the twenty-four elders” (probably representative of the redeemed) singing a song of praise to Jesus. In this song they say that Jesus is a Worthy Lamb who has made His redeemed a kingdom, “and they will reign upon the earth.”
3) The Angels of God
  • Revelation 11:15 — Voices from Heaven make a proleptic proclamation in the midst of the Tribulation: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” (Note: A proleptic statement is one that speaks of a future event as if it has already occurred. This is a common form of expression in prophecy because all future events are settled in the mind of God as if they had already happened in history.)
4) The Tribulation Martyrs
  • Revelation 15:3-4 — At the end of the Tribulation, right before the final pouring out of God’s wrath in the form of the bowl judgments, all the Tribulation martyrs who are in Heaven join together in singing “the song of Moses… and the song of the Lamb.” In that song, they declare the Lamb (Jesus) to be the “King of the nations,” and they proclaim that “all the nations will come and worship before Thee.”
Jesus is returning to reign on the earth because Jesus said so.
  • Matthew 19:28 — Jesus said that during “the regeneration” (the same time as “the period of restoration” referred to by Peter in Acts 3:21), He will “sit on His glorious throne,” and the Apostles will join Him in judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
  • Matthew 25:31 — Jesus said that when He returns in glory, “the Son of Man… will sit on His glorious throne. And all the nations will be gathered before Him” for judgment. The throne of Jesus is the throne of David which has always been located in only one place — in Jerusalem (see Isaiah 9:6-7 and Psalm 122).

  • Acts 1:3-6 — Luke says that Jesus spent 40 days teaching His disciples about the kingdom of God. Then, as He was ready to ascend into Heaven, one of the disciples asked, “Lord is it at this time You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?” The question indicates that Jesus taught a time would come when the kingdom would be restored to Israel. Jesus’ response to the question indicated the same thing. He did not rebuke the question. Rather, He simply said it was not for them to know the times and seasons when the kingdom would be restored to Israel.
  • Revelation 2:26-27 — Jesus says that He has a special reward for any “overcomer” who keeps His deeds until the end: “To him I will give authority over the nations; and he shall rule them with a rod of iron.”
  • Revelation 3:21 — Jesus makes it clear that the overcomers will reign jointly with Him: “He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” Again, the throne of Jesus is the throne of David (Luke 1:32 and Revelation 3:7). The throne of David is in Jerusalem, not in Heaven (Psalm 122). Jesus currently shares His Father’s throne. He is not sitting on His own throne and will not do so until He returns to this earth. Then He will allow the redeemed to share His throne with Him.

From: http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-biblical-evidence-that-jesus-is-returning-to-reign


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Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Most people don't realise it but Jesus must come to earth to rule on throne of David because of God's promise . God can't break promise.
 
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The Bible tell us that Jesus ascended to Heaven 40 days AFTER HIS RESURRECTION.Can you show us the verses saying that those resurrected OT SAINTS have been seen with Jesus when Jesus ascended to Heaven ?
Once again...those saints went into the holy city after Jesus was resurrected. Heaven was opened to them Ribbera...else how could Jesus tell the thief on the cross "TODAY you will be with me in paradise"?
 
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Once again...those saints went into the holy city after Jesus was resurrected. Heaven was opened to them Ribbera...else how could Jesus tell the thief on the cross "TODAY you will be with me in paradise"?
You will have to deal with 1 Peter 3:18-20
Jesus preached to the SPIRITS in prison (TARTARUS/HADES) [Luke 16:22-31]...during the 3 days His body was in the grave.

We can conclude that The SPIRITS [of those dead people] who accepted Jesus ascended to Heaven ...while the SPIRITS who have not accepted Jesus stayed in Hades.


1 Peter 3:18-20
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water (1 Peter 3:18-20).
 
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You will have to deal with 1 Peter 3:18-20
Jesus preached to the SPIRITS in prison (TARTARUS/HADES) [Luke 16:22-31]...during the 3 days His body was in the grave.

We can conclude that The SPIRITS [of those dead people] who accepted Jesus ascended to Heaven ...while the SPIRITS who have not accepted Jesus stayed in Hades.



1 Peter 3:18-20
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water (1 Peter 3:18-20).[/QUOTE]

You do understand this was the first world...which God destroyed? I think you should read that passage carefully. Also look up the word for "prison" it is not tartarus or hades...the word used there is "phylakē". something very different from hell.

Christ on the cross said "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

God started again with Noah's family after the flood. Peter is speaking of those who died in the flood That's a difficult passage with a few different interpretations...but NO WHERE does it say Jesus went into hell...it says He preached to spirits in prison...and further these are those of Noah's day.
 
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1 Peter 3:18-20
Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water (1 Peter 3:18-20).

You do understand this was the first world...which God destroyed? I think you should read that passage carefully. Also look up the word for "prison" it is not tartarus or hades...the word used there is "phylakē". something very different from hell.

Christ on the cross said "Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

God started again with Noah's family after the flood. Peter is speaking of those who died in the flood That's a difficult passage with a few different interpretations...but NO WHERE does it say Jesus went into hell...it says He preached to spirits in prison...and further these are those of Noah's day.
Whomever they were Jesus preached to the SPIRITS of those DEAD PEOPLE.

but NO WHERE does it say Jesus went into hell...
The description of Hell/Hades given in the Bible is different that what you have been preached by your pastor....
Luke 16:22-31
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was buried.

23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things: but now here he is comforted and thou art in anguish.

26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that they that would pass from hence to you may not be able, and that none may cross over from thence to us.

27 And he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house; 28 for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 But Abraham saith, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one go to them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, if one rise from the dead.
 
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Whomever they were Jesus preached to the SPIRITS of those DEAD PEOPLE.
Still Riberra, the point is this was the first world, destroyed by God. So it doesn't support your point. The OT saints went into 'the holy city" which was not earthly Jerusalem.
The description of Hell/Hades given in the Bible is different that what you have been preached by your pastor....
Luke 16:22-31
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels into Abraham's bosom: and the rich man also died, and was buried.

23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things: but now here he is comforted and thou art in anguish.

26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that they that would pass from hence to you may not be able, and that none may cross over from thence to us.

27 And he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house; 28 for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29 But Abraham saith, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one go to them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, if one rise from the dead.
Once again this doesn't support what you wish to use this passage to prove. Your point is "the spirits in prison" where in hell. Which the passage doesn't support it. The word for "prison" in the passage is none of the words used for hell in scripture. It is the word "phylakē" which if you study it...is NEVER translated hell so you miss the point of 1 Peter 3:18-20. Jesus didn't go to hell Riberra. There are many that teach that...but I disagree

Furthermore to use the parable of Luke 16 (which Jesus is telling the parable and has not yet made the sacrifice for sin) is also wrong because it has no relevance because it's clearly speaking of hell. 1 Peter 3:18-20 doesn't say this was hell. I grant you prison could be used figuratively of hell...but I don't think that is the thrust of what Peter is saying there.

Lastly, what makes you think this is my pastors teaching? Pastors are ordained by God to shepherd their flocks, but no where does scripture say believe what your pastor teaches. I do like the Berean saints did with Paul, I search the scripture to see if it agrees with any pastor/teacher. If what they teach lines up, I accept it.

I agree with Augustine's teaching on 1 Peter 3:18-20. I encourage you to check into that.
 
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Still Riberra, the point is this was the first world, destroyed by God. So it doesn't support your point. The OT saints went into 'the holy city" which was not earthly Jerusalem.
The text in Matthew 27:52 does NOT say that all the OT SAINTS were resurrected at that moment...it say many bodies of the saints.
Matthew 27:52
And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Once again this doesn't support what you wish to use this passage to prove. Your point is "the spirits in prison" where in hell. Which the passage doesn't support it. The word for "prison" in the passage is none of the words used for hell in scripture. It is the word "phylakē" which if you study it...is NEVER translated hell so you miss the point of 1 Peter 3:18-20. Jesus didn't go to hell Riberra. There are many that teach that...but I disagree
HADES is the place referenced in the Bible...more details below.
I disagree
Then,tell us what prison into which those SPIRITS were prisoners the text is talking about ?

Furthermore to use the parable of Luke 16 (which Jesus is telling the parable and has not yet made the sacrifice for sin) is also wrong because it has no relevance because it's clearly speaking of hell.
Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable, it talk about two well known individual [by the people of that time]who died and Jesus describe what happened to their spirit (soul).

-Hades have nothing to do with the lake of fire.-

The point is that in the place called HADES the SPIRITS of the good guys where in a area called Abraham's bosom while the bad guys were suffering in another section and they can see and talk each other.

Those who accepted Jesus when Jesus came there to PREACH [we can safely say that all the SPIRITS of the good guys and girls accepted Jesus ] have ascended to Heaven at that moment or when Jesus ascended to Heaven 40 days later ....while the SPIRITS of the bad guys stayed there...suffering in anguish pain until the Great White Throne Judgment.
 
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