Is everyone saved?
No ... not everyone desires to be saved (i.e. reconciled with God).
But Jesus has made it possible for all men/women to be reconciled to God.
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Is everyone saved?
Of course.You do realize that countless millions have died without ever hearing the gospel, right?
That's why I said a 'kind of' universalism. Also, without a capital U.I didn't say, "Universalism". I said: universal.
This is a misrepresentation. It is not true that proponents of prevenient grace say this or believe this. Perhaps some do, but I don't know who they are.For starters, its promoters claim that it is universal. They say that every person who has ever lived has been, at least temporarily, freed from the effects of the Fall and given the ability to place faith in Christ, regardless of if they have ever even heard of Christ.
We can't choose to follow Christ?
I thought God or Satan can't take away choice? Satan likes to make the selection a lot with technology but can't make us choose anything. Now I agree we might have a hard time doing nothing but we don't choose it?
If your getting at the fact I don't choose every heart beat? There are somethings going on that I didn't choose but not sure if this is the same thing here?
Of course.
That's why I said a 'kind of' universalism. Also, without a capital U.
I'll try again:
This is a misrepresentation. It is not true that proponents of prevenient grace say this or believe this. Perhaps some do, but I don't know who they are.
I am not saying people choose Christ when they have not heard of Christ, or have not heard the gospel.How are you suggesting that people chose with to or to not believe in what they know not?
Romans 1 & 2 indicate that God has revealed aspects of himself to all people.
So then we are agreed on this.Yes. I love Romans 1. It does indeed say that there is enough revelation of God t make me guilty, as they all know wrong; however, natural revelation does not contain the gospel. Natural revelation can get you condemned, but not saved.
What does this grace actually do?This possibility that ALL who hear the Gospel can be saved is 'prevenient grace'. It is a grace that can be resisted.
Understanding who can be saved has to do with who God has regenerated-made them born of God.So then we are agreed on this.
Where we disagree, I imagine, is exactly who can be saved. I say that ANYONE who hears the Gospel CAN be saved. If you are Calvinist, you would say only those predestined to be saved WILL be saved when they hear the Gospel.
This possibility that ALL who hear the Gospel can be saved is 'prevenient grace'. It is a grace that can be resisted.
"Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ." (Romans 10:17)
At the point of the enabling, are they in the flesh still, or in the spirit?It's a work of the Holy Spirit, enabling a sinner to believe in Christ.
So it all begins with God. He is the author and finisher of our faith, it is He who began a good work in us, the washing of regeneration, and he will bring it to completion.
Yes. I love Romans 1. It does indeed say that there is enough revelation of God t make me guilty, as they all know wrong; however, natural revelation does not contain the gospel. Natural revelation can get you condemned, but not saved.
That's a great question. Thank you for making me think.At the point of the enabling, are they in the flesh still, or in the spirit?
You'll notice it's faith first, then regeneration / born again. (The Calvinist puts regeneration first, but I can't find a single scripture that says that).That is God's choice, not of our will. John 1:13. All those who believe Jesus is the Christ have been born of God.
Not the same predicament, in order for you to be pleasing to God you must be in the Spirit not the flesh, so being born again prior to faith makes perfect sense.That's a great question. Thank you for making me think.
The Calvinist is in the same predicament, though.
I'm not sure if it can be answered by either camp. But there's nothing wrong with saying that one does not have to have the Spirit indwelling to be enabled to believe. You cannot get born again before you have faith in Christ. Faith first, then indwelt Spirit.
The Calvinist isn't in the same predicament. We believe that regeneration precedes faith, so we aren't in the flesh at the time of belief.That's a great question. Thank you for making me think.
The Calvinist is in the same predicament, though.
I'm not sure if it can be answered by either camp. But there's nothing wrong with saying that one does not have to have the Spirit indwelling to be enabled to believe. You cannot get born again before you have faith in Christ. Faith first, then indwelt Spirit.