Why Would We Need to Obey God's Laws?

[Shempster]

Like Skywriting said.....Yeshua clarified the law by honing it down to one statement: "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart mind soul and strength...and love others as yourself" this is the whole of the law.
THIS is the law we must follow.

It is so simple yet who can do it?

 

[Waggles]

That Spirit is given as a GIFT, it can never be earned. Once we have it we MUST use it. How do we use it? By obeying.

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise)
Ephesians 6:
and so we as children of God ought we not also obey our Father?
and Jesus was obedient unto his Father, even unto death. Not my will, but your will be done.
We must deny ourselves and submit to God. Then our walk is worthy and pleasing in his sight.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart mind soul and strength...and love others as yourself" this is the whole of the law.
THIS is the law we must follow.
It is so simple yet who can do it?

No one the way you put it -----

YHWH'S WORD is simple. YHWH created all things simple. Man messed up. "Man came up with many devices" (changes/ corruptions/ additions/ subtractions/ errors)

You just now apparently CHANGED what YHWH BREATHED in SCRIPTURE,
to what men have come up with instead.

Go directly to Scripture, read all Scripture, in line with Scripture, as YHWH grants understanding of Scripture,

instead of what men say about it,
and instead of what men say INSTEAD of God's Word.....

 

[Daniel9v9]

We ought to bear in mind what Paul said: "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."

Along with the attitude of David that is: "I long for your salvation, O Lord, and your law is my delight."

And proclaim according to our Lord: "We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty."

 

[Shempster]

No one the way you put it -----

YHWH'S WORD is simple. YHWH created all things simple. Man messed up. "Man came up with many devices" (changes/ corruptions/ additions/ subtractions/ errors)

You just now apparently CHANGED what YHWH BREATHED in SCRIPTURE,
to what men have come up with instead.

Go directly to Scripture, read all Scripture, in line with Scripture, as YHWH grants understanding of Scripture,

instead of what men say about it,
and instead of what men say INSTEAD of God's Word.....

Could you please clarify your response? It sounds as if you are saying that I should put aside the command of Yeshua and rather obey Scripture.....or something like that

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

For we are his workmanship,

Yes!

Someone recently said that the word translated "workmanship" is
something like "poemi" or "poeti" // a word that indicates or means poem --

we are YHWH's poem ! ... an ongoing , current, living, daily POEM --

YHWH'S POEM ---- He is continuously 'writing'/ showing by our lives HIS POEM !

I did not confirm or doublecheck this... not yet anyway...

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Could you please clarify your response? ....

Yes.
First please post with context the basic one or more Scriptures your post(s) is referring to ....
The Scripture is the Standard , of course, the sure Word of YHWH,
so whatever YHWH Says is TRUTH, in line with all Scripture.

Just in case there is a misunderstanding, "in english",
Note that in english the meaning is such that you and I might actually be in agreement with all that Scripture says, but needs to be clarified/confirmed...

realizing that "in english" others have been saying otherwise(on this forum today, the last week, and the last several years) , contrary to Scripture, in several ways....

So, again, the real starting point is this (below) from Scripture with context:

"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart mind soul and strength...and love others as yourself" this is the whole of the law.
THIS is the law we must follow.

and what you intended to say....

 

[stuart lawrence]

Obey or not obey. It seems as though this is the dividing question of many Christians today. For some, the keeping of the law was a burden we bore before Christ saved us but the fact is, we didn't keep the law then either! Why would God want people to obey His commandments in the first place if He was going to do away with them? What purpose do they have? If you knew the future that God has planned for those who love Him you might just understand it better.
When we are resurrected we are going to be like Christ is NOW. What is He like now? He is the all powerful, eternal Son of the Creator God. We are to be heirs WITH Him of all that God has given Him, rulers with Him on His throne. The power of being a child of God is boundless! God will not give this gift to anyone who would refuse to obey Him, think of the damage an eternal being with that kind of power could do! Look at what Satan did, and He's not even close to what we're going to be.
The Laws of God define what sin is, they are our instructors on what to do and what not to do. We must develop Godly character through obedience from our heart! Out of love for God, out of respect for Him. Christ makes our perfection possible by literally LIVING in us, using our bodies and minds to produce works of righteousness, growing in grace, which is undeserved forgiveness when we fall short. Before we had Christ living in us, any obedience we may have mustered was useless. After Christ is living in us all obedience is Christ's spirit doing it which makes it perfect.
If we despise the laws of God and refuse to keep His commands then the Spirit of Christ is not in us.
Romans 8:7-9 because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s Law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ

You can say that submitting to God is not required all you want but God says those who are hostile to Him refuse to submit to His Law and they are NOT CHRIST'S. HE said if we have His Spirit we will submit, why? Because we understand the reason God wants us to, we understand the enormous responsibility we are going to be given and ONLY those who have learned to LOVE His laws and allowed them to be written on their hearts will be in the Kingdom of God. But know that it cannot be done without the Spirit of Christ living in us. That Spirit is given as a GIFT, it can never be earned. Once we have it we MUST use it. How do we use it? By obeying.

Obey or not obey. It seems as though this is the dividing question of many Christians today. For some, the keeping of the law was a burden we bore before Christ saved us but the fact is, we didn't keep the law then either! Why would God want people to obey His commandments in the first place if He was going to do away with them? What purpose do they have? If you knew the future that God has planned for those who love Him you might just understand it better.
When we are resurrected we are going to be like Christ is NOW. What is He like now? He is the all powerful, eternal Son of the Creator God. We are to be heirs WITH Him of all that God has given Him, rulers with Him on His throne. The power of being a child of God is boundless! God will not give this gift to anyone who would refuse to obey Him, think of the damage an eternal being with that kind of power could do! Look at what Satan did, and He's not even close to what we're going to be.
The Laws of God define what sin is, they are our instructors on what to do and what not to do. We must develop Godly character through obedience from our heart! Out of love for God, out of respect for Him. Christ makes our perfection possible by literally LIVING in us, using our bodies and minds to produce works of righteousness, growing in grace, which is undeserved forgiveness when we fall short. Before we had Christ living in us, any obedience we may have mustered was useless. After Christ is living in us all obedience is Christ's spirit doing it which makes it perfect.
If we despise the laws of God and refuse to keep His commands then the Spirit of Christ is not in us.
Romans 8:7-9 because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s Law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ

You can say that submitting to God is not required all you want but God says those who are hostile to Him refuse to submit to His Law and they are NOT CHRIST'S. HE said if we have His Spirit we will submit, why? Because we understand the reason God wants us to, we understand the enormous responsibility we are going to be given and ONLY those who have learned to LOVE His laws and allowed them to be written on their hearts will be in the Kingdom of God. But know that it cannot be done without the Spirit of Christ living in us. That Spirit is given as a GIFT, it can never be earned. Once we have it we MUST use it. How do we use it? By obeying.

Who said Gods laws are done away with?
This is what is done away with:

Christ is the end of the law, UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS for everyone who believeth
Rom10:4

 

[Emmy]

Dear danstribe. Why would we need to obey God`s Law? God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters. Jesus helped us to find the right way to love and obey. Matthew 22: 35-40: tells us: Love God with all thy hearts, with all thy souls and with all thy minds. The second Commandment is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself. Verse 40 tells us: On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
The Bible, which is God`s Word to us, tells us: Give up all selfish desires, and start Loving God. He has made us in His image, and He deserves our love and thanks. Jesus our Saviour died for us, that we might live as God wants us to live: LOVE GOD AND LOVE EACH OTHER. Give up our selfish wishes and wants, and start loving and caring, as God wants us to. In Matthew 7: 7-10 we are told: Ask and you shall receive, ask God for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all with our neighbour. (all around us) no more selfish talk and unloving words. I say this with love, danstribe. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Personally I think the scripture where Jesus washes the disciples feet in John 13:1-17 is the perfect scripture to explain this. In it Jesus tells Peter that someone who has bathed only needs their feet waashing and anyone who does not participate in having their feet washed has no part in Jesus.

We have been saved and washed in the blood of Jesus yet we still pick up sin (dirt on our feet) in our daily lives and need our feet washing - vs 10. And as Jesus said in vs 8, anyone who does not allow Him to wash their feet (claims they have no sin) has no part in Him.

And I agree that if we love God He writes His laws on our hearts, but we live what Paul calls a body of death that desires what is contrary to the spirit, so are not perfect yet.

I've had this conversation with jeshuaslavejeff in another thread but he claims he is free of all sin in line with scripture but cannot/will not post any scriptures to back up his views.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I've had this conversation with jeshuaslavejeff in another thread but he claims he is free of all sin in line with scripture but cannot/will not post any scriptures to back up his views.

The appropriate Scriptures have been posted several times, by several posters.

It's neither accurate nor without sin to claim that I claim to be free of all sin in the context of your post/this thread.

If you truthfully want to know what God says about being forgiven of sin, and about being righteous, and as Jesus said "be perfect", then it is necessary for you to read through the Bible yourself, and stop listening to what other people say, seeking only what God says (yes, really),
then you may know.
Realize that , so far, most posters don't even know what "be perfect" means, as simple as it is, and how to be, as Jesus says. (they listen to those who contradict God's Word, those who say it is impossible, without ever finding out what it means!)

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Why would God want people to obey His commandments in the first place if He was going to do away with them? What purpose do they have?

The apostle Paul explained the purpose of the law for us.
Romans 3:19-20

Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (ESV)

 

[GirdYourLoins]

The appropriate Scriptures have been posted several times, by several posters.

It's neither accurate nor without sin to claim that I claim to be free of all sin in the context of your post/this thread.

If you truthfully want to know what God says about being forgiven of sin, and about being righteous, and as Jesus said "be perfect", then it is necessary for you to read through the Bible yourself, and stop listening to what other people say, seeking only what God says (yes, really),
then you may know.
Realize that , so far, most posters don't even know what "be perfect" means, as simple as it is, and how to be, as Jesus says. (they listen to those who contradict God's Word, those who say it is impossible, without ever finding out what it means!)

You write in a religious and unclear manner most of the time. Many times in the past I have seen people ask you tot clarify what you mean. Even on this page in post 25 someone has asked you. You have made comments where you are demeaning to people who admit to sin and imply if not implicitly state that you are completely free from sin and all Christians should not have any sin in their lives. You have not once posted a bible verse yourself to back up your view. You keep saying YHWH says so in your posts yet cant or wont back this up. You just say to people to read the whole Bible. Well I have done that several times and I dont agree with you. I have posted scriptures to back up my points of view, something you will not do.

I tend to take the view that people can believe what they want but should be able to back up their beliefs using scripture which is something I have NEVER seen you do. The Bible is the infallible word of God, but we are fallible and our interpretation can be fallible. If anyone is living in accordance to scripture in the correct context (unlike cults that take verses out of context and give them a meaning clearly different to its true meaning) I will accept them as a brother in Christ. I even take the view that we are all different and so sometimes a slight variation in beliefs can be what we need for us as individuals, as long as its biblical.

We can express what we believe differently as well but when you delve deeper into peoples beliefs you can find the common ground. As long as someone can show their beliefs match scripture I will accept that. Even in the post I have quoted you have said many believers dont know what something means yet you offer no basis for this or provide any understanding on your point of view, just vague and religious sounding requirement for me/us to read the whole Bible. Until you are able to back up what you are saying I will not consider you a credible poster.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

If you love me you will ((keep the Commandments)).
MB

 

[stuart lawrence]

If you love me you will ((keep the Commandments)).
MB

Just curious.
How many Christians do you know who try and obey each and every literal command of Christ?
In forty years of going to various denominational churches, I have not found any who do so

 

[Mountainmanbob]

We all fall short (at times) but, if that is not ones goal they had better examine themself.

As we mature in Christ if (truly Born Again), we sin less but, it makes us feel even worse.

If ones sin does not make them sick -- pray for mercy.

M-Bob

 

[JohnRabbit]

Likely true, but I find that sad. It is a desire FOR God, not the desire to avoid hell that is my motivation. Not criticizing those who feel differently, but fear as motivation seems an unpleasant factor to my mind.

interesting!

Psalms 111:10(NKJV)
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.


Judges 21:25(NKJV)
25In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

Proverbs 14:12(NKJV)
12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

again, interesting!

 

[“Paisios”]

interesting!

Psalms 111:10(NKJV)
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.


Judges 21:25(NKJV)
25In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

Proverbs 14:12(NKJV)
12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

again, interesting!

I would say that I have fear of the Lord, but that it is a very different fear even in quality than that of hell, and it is a fear that draws me closer to Him, whereas fear of hell would, quite rightly push me away from hell (which is a good thing, of course)...but the former is a much greater thing and more greatly to be desired than the latter.

(But then, what do I know? I stand open to correction, and am finding this discussion interesting.)

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Like Skywriting said.....Yeshua clarified the law by honing it down to one statement: "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart mind soul and strength...and love others as yourself" this is the whole of the law.
THIS is the law we must follow.

It is so simple yet who can do it?

It's the same law as it every was, just condensed. It's impossible for fallen man to keep God's law, which is why Christ came. It never could be obeyed by anyone. It was given to demonstrate just that.

 

[AlexDTX]

Obey or not obey. It seems as though this is the dividing question of many Christians today. For some, the keeping of the law was a burden we bore before Christ saved us but the fact is, we didn't keep the law then either! Why would God want people to obey His commandments in the first place if He was going to do away with them? What purpose do they have? If you knew the future that God has planned for those who love Him you might just understand it better.
When we are resurrected we are going to be like Christ is NOW. What is He like now? He is the all powerful, eternal Son of the Creator God. We are to be heirs WITH Him of all that God has given Him, rulers with Him on His throne. The power of being a child of God is boundless! God will not give this gift to anyone who would refuse to obey Him, think of the damage an eternal being with that kind of power could do! Look at what Satan did, and He's not even close to what we're going to be.
The Laws of God define what sin is, they are our instructors on what to do and what not to do. We must develop Godly character through obedience from our heart! Out of love for God, out of respect for Him. Christ makes our perfection possible by literally LIVING in us, using our bodies and minds to produce works of righteousness, growing in grace, which is undeserved forgiveness when we fall short. Before we had Christ living in us, any obedience we may have mustered was useless. After Christ is living in us all obedience is Christ's spirit doing it which makes it perfect.
If we despise the laws of God and refuse to keep His commands then the Spirit of Christ is not in us.
Romans 8:7-9 because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s Law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ

You can say that submitting to God is not required all you want but God says those who are hostile to Him refuse to submit to His Law and they are NOT CHRIST'S. HE said if we have His Spirit we will submit, why? Because we understand the reason God wants us to, we understand the enormous responsibility we are going to be given and ONLY those who have learned to LOVE His laws and allowed them to be written on their hearts will be in the Kingdom of God. But know that it cannot be done without the Spirit of Christ living in us. That Spirit is given as a GIFT, it can never be earned. Once we have it we MUST use it. How do we use it? By obeying.

There is a difference between the law of Moses and the law Christ. Moses said thou shalt not commit adultery. Christ said that if you look upon a woman with lust in your heart, you have committed adultery. The law of Moses is a shadow of the greater law of Christ. If we use the law of Moses as our guide, we will fall short of the law of Christ. Jesus said all the law can be summed up in these two things: love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as your self. Paul said if you love you have fulfilled the law. The Mosaic law is inadequate to cover all that the love of Christ will cover. The law of Moses says to hate your enemies but the law of Christ says to love your enemies. The only way we can follow and fulfill the law of Christ is to be led by the Spirit. Moses only gives a skeletal outline. Those who argue that we follow the law of Moses are misleading people away from following the law of Christ.