Humans did NOT evolve from Apes...

[miknik5]

Waters, huh? And where did the waters come from?

Is "atmosphere" anything until it is contained?

 

[miknik5]

Good catch. Water comes from Air which was one of the creation elements God would use to make a physical world. Genesis correctly shows that water was not "created" but came into being from the air. Jesus mixed the air, and dust with water and made Adam like the Potter molds clay. Gen 2:4-7 God Bless you

Please

 

[Subduction Zone]

Is "atmosphere" anything until it is contained?

The atmosphere is contained by gravity.

And there you have a contradiction. The atmosphere could not exist until AFTER the Earth existed. Doesn't that verse put it before?

 

[miknik5]

Waters, huh? And where did the waters come from?

You must have missed my post regarding the truth that before GOD created a firmament the heavens was just a soupy dark empty mass with no order or boundaries

Please review the creation account to understand that GOD, by creating a firmament separated the waters (heavens) above from the waters (heavens) below

When HE created land below the firmament HE gathered the waters in areas so that dry land appeared with the gathered waters making up the varied bodies of waters such as oceans and streams and lakes and rivers

 

[miknik5]

The atmosphere is contained by gravity.


And there you have a contradiction. The atmosphere could not exist until AFTER the Earth existed. Doesn't that verse put it before?

Gravity holds some thing in place
There was nothing and no thing created at this point
There was no distinction between the waters (the soupy cosmos which GOD's SPIRIT was upon) until GOD created the firmament and separated the waters above from the waters below and enclosed the waters below the firmament to make the created world

 

[Subduction Zone]

Gravity holds some thing in place
There was nothing and no thing created at this point
There was no distinction between the waters (the soupy cosmos which GOD's SPIRIT was upon) until GOD created the firmament and separated the waters above from the waters below and enclosed the waters below the firmament to make the created world

Sorry but gravity holds the atmosphere in place. Without an Earth there is no atmosphere.

The Bible is wrong again.

 

[miknik5]

Sorry but gravity holds the atmosphere in place. Without an Earth there is no atmosphere.

The Bible is wrong again.

Where exactly would the "atmosphere" be going if there is nothing containing it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where exactly would the "atmosphere" be going if there is nothing containing it?

Into space. The air that we have now was part of the asteroids that collided to make the Earth.

 

[miknik5]

Into space. The air that we have now was part of the asteroids that collided to make the Earth.

There was no "inter or outer space". There was no dividing mark between inter or outer -sir

And thee were no lights or stars or asteroids in any universe because it was a vast undefined, unmarked, unbothered formless expanse of nothing before anything was created

 

[Subduction Zone]

People quite often do not understand how thin and insubstantial our atmosphere is. Mass wise it is a bit less than one millionth of the mass of the Earth. At first saying that the air in our atmosphere was part of the asteroids that made the Earth may seem ridiculous, but when you realize that it had to be only one part in a million of those asteroids it is not so unreasonable.

Uncontained air disperses. that is why balloon pop, and they are only at a fraction of an atmosphere higher in pressure than the surrounding atmosphere. If there was not gravity holding down all of the air above us we would be in a vacuum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There was no "inter or outer space". There was no dividing mark between inter or outer -sir

And thee were no lights or stars or asteroids in any universe because it was a vast undefined, unmarked, unbothered formless expanse of nothing before anything was created

Now you are just grasping at straws.

 

[miknik5]

Now you are just grasping at straws.

People quite often do not understand how thin and insubstantial our atmosphere is. Mass wise it is a bit less than one millionth of the mass of the Earth. At first saying that the air in our atmosphere was part of the asteroids that made the Earth may seem ridiculous, but when you realize that it had to be only one part in a million of those asteroids it is not so unreasonable.

Uncontained air disperses. that is why balloon pop, and they are only at a fraction of an atmosphere higher in pressure than the surrounding atmosphere. If there was not gravity holding down all of the air above us we would be in a vacuum.

I really don't know how to say it any better than we are at the first step in the creation account before there existed anything

The "world" was unformed, void, dark

We haven't even moved past this point abd therefore adding anything in this "consistency" and talking about the afftects that this "consistency" has on things

Why?

This shapeless consistency was a vast of unformed , uncontained, open....soupy (what GOD later divided and defined as the heavens..

What the heavens consist of, I do not know-----a soupy watery dark void formless consistency

 

[Subduction Zone]

I really don't know how to say it any better than we are at the first step in the creation account before there existed anything

The "world" was unformed, void, dark

We haven't even moved past this point abd therefore adding anything in this "consistency" and talking about the afftects that this "consistency" has on things

Why?

This shapeless consistency was a vast of unformed , uncontained, open....soupy (what GOD later divided and defined as the heavens..

What the heavens consist of, I do not know-----a soupy watery dark void formless consistency

Please, the Genesis myth was refuted long ago. People keep trying to reinterpret it when it has been shown to be wrong, but it is simply far beyond that. It cannot be repaired.

 

[miknik5]

Please, the Genesis myth was refuted long ago. People keep trying to reinterpret it when it has been shown to be wrong, but it is simply far beyond that. It cannot be repaired.

Didn't you say this to me:
Anyone that uses the phrase "just theories" has already lost the argument.

And this phrase that you now use here in this post?

Do you think you can win the argument by dismissing the TRUTH as a "myth"

We are bsck to square one
You can not begin at the beginning

 

[Subduction Zone]

Didn't you say this to me:
Anyone that uses the phrase "just theories" has already lost the argument.

And this phrase that you now use here in this post?

Do you think you can win the argument by dismissing the TRUTH as a "myth"

We are bsck to square one
You can not begin at the beginning

Once again, it you want to claim that the Bible is "the TRUTH", the burden of proof is upon you. God supposedly talking to you is not worth anything since countless people think this and they all disagree. That makes your claim worthless unless you can support it

 

[miknik5]

Once again, it you want to claim that the Bible is "the TRUTH", the burden of proof is upon you. God supposedly talking to you is not worth anything since countless people think this and they all disagree. That makes your claim worthless unless you can support it

So what do you think is the issue with countless people hearing the voice of a spirit?

 

[VirOptimus]

Didn't you say this to me:
Anyone that uses the phrase "just theories" has already lost the argument.

And this phrase that you now use here in this post?

Do you think you can win the argument by dismissing the TRUTH as a "myth"

We are bsck to square one
You can not begin at the beginning

Myth is not necesserible false.

There are a lot of different truths, a literal truth is just one of many and a very modern way of looking at thing.

 

[Jimmy D]

So what do you think is the issue with countless people hearing the voice of a spirit?

I don't want to be too dismissive of your personal experiences but is it not possible that this "spirit" may be a product of your own mind rather than an external being?

 

[miknik5]

I don't want to be too dismissive of your personal experiences but is it not possible that this "spirit" may be a product of your own mind rather than an external being?

No i

 

[Subduction Zone]

So what do you think is the issue with countless people hearing the voice of a spirit?

Hearing a voice is something that happens to many devout people. And since they all hear different things there is no real way to know whether or not you heard God. You may have convinced yourself that you have heard God, but so did all of those other people as well. If it was true there should be some way to test it. And one does not test it by saying "If it was true then Event A would show it" Since Event A could have occurred naturally. The way to test it is to find a test that would show it to be wrong.

What reasonable test would show the fact that you heard the "voice of God" is wrong?