Hate Group treated to closed-door speech by Sessions

[TBDude65]

In closed-door speech, Jeff Sessions tells right-wing group religion is under attack

The ADF: “specializes in supporting the recriminalization of homosexuality abroad, ending same-sex marriage and generally making life as difficult as possible for LGBT communities in the U.S. and internationally.”

This doesn't sound like a very loving or tolerant group of christians who accept their neighbors. And it certainly doesn't sound like rational and reasonable discourse for a group living in a SECULAR nation.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

This will certainly not bring them to Jesus, and that is our only objective with them

 

[TBDude65]

This will certainly not bring them to Jesus, and that is our only objective with them

Many of them are probably already Christian. And those that aren't would probably rather not have anyone trying to intrude into their lives.

 

[tstor]

This doesn't sound like a very loving or tolerant group of christians who accept their neighbors. And it certainly doesn't sound like rational and reasonable discourse for a group living in a SECULAR nation.

Why would they love unrepentant sinners? Why would anyone love someone who loves a sin that Jesus died on the cross for? And why do you assume that they want America to be a secular country? Many Christians do not desire that.

 

[TBDude65]

Why would they love unrepentant sinners? Why would anyone love someone who loves a sin that Jesus died on the cross for? And why do you assume that they want America to be a secular country? Many Christians do not desire that.

They can love whoever they want or hate who whoever they want, as long as they don't mess with other people's lives by trying to interfere. I also don't care if there are christians that don't want the Separation of Church and State that our Constitution guarantees. If they don't like living in a secular nation, they should go find one that isn't

 

[tstor]

They can love whoever they want or hate who whoever they want, as long as they don't mess with other people's lives by trying to interfere.

There are very few people that fit into that category.

I also don't care if there are christians that don't want the Separation of Church and State that our Constitution guarantees. If they don't like living in a secular nation, they should go find one that isn't

Or they can try and change it. I mean, isn't that what the colonists did? They didn't pick up their lives and move from the colonies when they lost their loyalties. Instead, they stayed where they were and changed it. I am not advocating for such a change, but it is a rather pointless suggestion to say "go somewhere else."

 

[LostFarmer]

I read your headline and was thinking here we go again, making deals with the DNC.

 

[TBDude65]

There are very few people that fit into that category.


Or they can try and change it. I mean, isn't that what the colonists did? They didn't pick up their lives and move from the colonies when they lost their loyalties. Instead, they stayed where they were and changed it. I am not advocating for such a change, but it is a rather pointless suggestion to say "go somewhere else."

There are very few people that fit into that category.
I disagree. If you don't want people intervening in your life, then don't intervene in the lives of others.

"...isn't that what the colonists did?"

Nope, they founded their own SECULAR country. If you want a Christian nation, go found one or move to one.

edit to add: you seem to forget that the colonists left an explicitly christian nation

 

[tstor]

I disagree. If you don't want people intervening in your life, then don't intervene in the lives of others.

Looks good on paper. I am just saying that it does not translate very well into reality. Just about everyone desires to intervene in the lives of others to some degree. Whether it be LGBT rights, ethnic rights, public projects, etc.

Nope, they founded their own SECULAR country. If you want a Christian nation, go found one or move to one.

I do not dispute that. I will let you reread my statement:

Or they can try and change it. I mean, isn't that what the colonists did? They didn't pick up their lives and move from the colonies when they lost their loyalties. Instead, they stayed where they were and changed it. I am not advocating for such a change, but it is a rather pointless suggestion to say "go somewhere else."​

My statement was not that the colonists founded a theocracy. Rather, my statement was about loyalties. Indeed, they founded a nation with separation of church and state (I would not go as far as to use the term "secular"). But your last sentence seems to indicate that you do understand what I am saying. The colonists lost their loyalties to Great Britain, which led them to revolt and overthrow their occupation. Similarly, another movement today could also lose their loyalties and revolt.

edit to add: you seem to forget that the colonists left an explicitly christian nation

It probably seems that way because you misunderstood my statement.

 

[TBDude65]

Looks good on paper. I am just saying that it does not translate very well into reality. Just about everyone desires to intervene in the lives of others to some degree. Whether it be LGBT rights, ethnic rights, public projects, etc.


I do not dispute that. I will let you reread my statement:

Or they can try and change it. I mean, isn't that what the colonists did? They didn't pick up their lives and move from the colonies when they lost their loyalties. Instead, they stayed where they were and changed it. I am not advocating for such a change, but it is a rather pointless suggestion to say "go somewhere else."​

My statement was not that the colonists founded a theocracy. Rather, my statement was about loyalties. Indeed, they founded a nation with seperation of church and state (I would not go as far as to use the term "secular"). But your last sentence seems to indicate that you do understand what I am saying. The colonists lost their loyalties to Great Britain, which led them to revolt and overthrow their occupation. Similaraly, another nmovement today could also lose their loyalties and revolt.


It probably seems that way because you misunderstood my statement.

Looks good on paper. I am just saying that it does not translate very well into reality. Just about everyone desires to intervene in the lives of others to some degree. Whether it be LGBT rights, ethnic rights, public projects, etc.

The fact that there are hypocrites out there is why we have laws that ensure protections and prosecutions for those that continually try and intervene in other people's lives when it is unwanted.

Similaraly, another nmovement today could also lose their loyalties and revolt.

A group of theocrats could try and become treasonous traitors and overthrow our secular democracy. But I don't think they'll succeed.

Secular protects our religious plurality and protects individual religious opinions. It would be stupid to try and remove secular protections when literally everyone benefits from them. What some christians want is a freedom to persecute, and that is abhorrent. In order to see why this is a stupid idea, take your premise and replace "Christians" with "Radical Islamic Extremists" being the ones trying to create a non-secular theocratic America.

 

[tstor]

The fact that there are hypocrites out there is why we have laws that ensure protections and prosecutions for those that continually try and intervene in other people's lives when it is unwanted.

Ha! Tell that to the government the next time they take taxes out of my paycheck.

A group of theocrats could try and become treasonous traitors and overthrow our secular democracy. But I don't think they'll succeed.

Agreed.

Secular protects our religious plurality and protects individual religious opinions. It would be stupid to try and remove secular protections when literally everyone benefits from them. What some christians want is a freedom to persecute, and that is abhorrent. In order to see why this is a stupid idea, take your premise and replace "Christians" with "Radical Islamic Extremists" being the ones trying to create a non-secular theocratic America.

I don't disagree with you at all. I am by no means advocating for a Christian theocracy.

 

[JackRT]

Homosexuals are not Christian. Christ does not keep Christians out of the Kingdom of Heaven. You cannot walk in darkness and call yourself a Christian.

The USA is still a majority Christian nation so on that basis alone I suspect that the majority of homosexuals are Christian as well. In addition, an increasing number of Christians both individually and corporately are coming to understand that the anti-homosexual stance in the bible is almost entirely the result of cultural bias and a deficient understanding of the complexities of human sexuality.

 

[TBDude65]

Ha! Tell that to the government the next time they take taxes out of my paycheck.


Agreed.


I don't disagree with you at all. I am by no means advocating for a Christian theocracy.

Ha! Tell that to the government the next time they take taxes out of my paycheck.

I have no idea what the relevance of taxes in this discussion are. Paying taxes doesn't mean you have the option to decide how it is spent.

I don't disagree with you at all. I am by no means advocating for a Christian theocracy.

A good deal of Christians do advocate for it though

 

[tstor]

I have no idea what the relevance of taxes in this discussion are. Paying taxes doesn't mean you have the option to decide how it is spent.

Let me quote you:

The fact that there are hypocrites out there is why we have laws that ensure protections and prosecutions for those that continually try and intervene in other people's lives when it is unwanted.​

A good deal of Christians do advocate for it though

Very true.

 

[Albion]

It is a hate group according to the Southern Poverty Law Center which is considered by many to be a hate group itself.

Note that SPLC put the head of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, Dr. Ben Carson, on its hate list (!) but has almost never met a Left-wing hate group that it didnt give a pass to.

 

[mark kennedy]

In closed-door speech, Jeff Sessions tells right-wing group religion is under attack

The ADF: “specializes in supporting the recriminalization of homosexuality abroad, ending same-sex marriage and generally making life as difficult as possible for LGBT communities in the U.S. and internationally.”

This doesn't sound like a very loving or tolerant group of christians who accept their neighbors. And it certainly doesn't sound like rational and reasonable discourse for a group living in a SECULAR nation.

Ok we haven't a clue what was said but it must be hateful because Sessions is in favor of religious liberty. Is someone proposing criminal laws against same sex relations because I think that would have to go all the way to the Supreme Court. The SPLC Is taking on the dimensions of a hate group, would it be too much to ask that they base their accusations on some kind of an actual fact?

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Maybe Sessions just doesn't care what the SPLC says about anything...

 

[Desk trauma]

would it be too much to ask that they base their accusations on some kind of an actual fact?

Given their classification of Islamic reformers as anti-Islamic extremists, yes it's a bit much.

 

[Belk]

Why would they love unrepentant sinners? Why would anyone love someone who loves a sin that Jesus died on the cross for? And why do you assume that they want America to be a secular country? Many Christians do not desire that.

Yeah! If there is one thing Jesus was crystal clear on it was that you should only love people who are like you that you approve of!

 

[Desk trauma]

Where's the quote? What's the context? Do you have a source?

The SPLC classed Maajid Nawaz, a Islamic reformer and believing Muslim, as an anti Muslim extremist.