Hate Group treated to closed-door speech by Sessions

[Allandavid]

Wrong. I know several Christians who are homosexual.

Oh, but don't you see...? According to that hateful philosophy, they can never be considered as 'real' Christians...!

 

[Mrs.PGL]

Wrong. I know several Christians who are homosexual.

No. Christians do not walk in darkness.
When one becomes a Christian, they are a new creature in Christ. The old has gone and the new has come.
Christ paid a heavy penalty for our sins and it would be mockery of Him to then refer to oneself by their former sin.
When we think too lightly of sin, we think too lightly of the Saviour - Spurgeon

 

[Belk]

No. Christians do not walk in darkness.

Congratulations on your appointment! I had not heard you had been elevated to sit at the right hand of God and judge the quick and the dead.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

Congratulations on your appointment! I had not heard you had been elevated to sit at the right hand of God and judge the quick and the dead.

There is a vast difference between judging and relaying the truth, my friend:
1 John 2: 4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,”

1 John 1:6 - If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.

1 John 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Thankfully Christ said that if we repent and confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive and cleanse us of them.

“Surely no rebel can expect the king to pardon his treason while he remains in open revolt.” Spurgeon

 

[Allandavid]

No. Christians do not walk in darkness.
When one becomes a Christian, they are a new creature in Christ. The old has gone and the new has come.
Christ paid a heavy penalty for our sins and it would be mockery of Him to then refer to oneself by their former sin.
When we think too lightly of sin, we think too lightly of the Saviour - Spurgeon

We lost a brother from our family due to this kind of 'righteous hatred'. Not because any of us are gay, not even because some of us are non-believers. No, he cut himself off from the rest of the family because, in his words, we are all "unrepentant sinners", in that we don't walk the same path that he does.

You probably wouldn't appreciate our sadness over such a situation...after all, you'd be right behind him in his judgement, yes...?

 

[Mrs.PGL]

We lost a brother from our family due to this kind of 'righteous hatred'. Not because any of us are gay, not even because some of us are non-believers. No, he cut himself off from the rest of the family because, in his words, we are all "unrepentant sinners", in that we don't walk the same path that he does.

You probably wouldn't appreciate our sadness over such a situation...after all, you'd be right behind him in his judgement, yes...?

Let Christ make the difficulty better. Become a Christian and follow Jesus if that is the problem. You would both benefit.
Christ taught that homosexuality is a sin, my friend.

 

[Allandavid]

Let Christ make the difficulty better. Become a Christian and follow Jesus if that is the problem. You would both benefit.
Christ taught that homosexuality is a sin, my friend.

Bow down to hatred and persecution...?

No thank you...

 

[Allandavid]

By the way, looking at some of your earlier comments, you should be made aware that it is against the rules here to call into question another person's Christianity....

 

[super animator]

Let Christ make the difficulty better. Become a Christian and follow Jesus if that is the problem. You would both benefit.
Christ taught that homosexuality is a sin, my friend.

Actually he hasn't say anything about it, literally, although this is not the section to discuss the moral aspect of it.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

Bow down to hatred and persecution...?

No thank you...

What exactly is "hatred and persecution"?

 

[Mrs.PGL]

By the way, looking at some of your earlier comments, you should be made aware that it is against the rules here to call into question another person's Christianity....

"some of us are non-believers". You questioned your Christianity, my friend.

 

[super animator]

"some of us are non-believers". You questioned your Christianity, my friend.

No it's not.

 

[mark kennedy]

The SPLC classed Maajid Nawaz, a Islamic reformer and believing Muslim, as an anti Muslim extremist.

Ok, Maajid Nawaz seems questionable but ok, so what?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

What exactly is "hatred and persecution"?

I wouldn't call it hatred or persecution in most cases but there is a difference in how some Christians react to or treat people that don't fit into the neat little boxes some of them like to put people into vs the few that do. For example when one Christian disagrees with another about some relatively unimportant aspect of the faith, like whether Jesus is against same sex attraction or just the act of being with the same sex.

It's a difference that IMO from the outside, doesn't change whether someone actually believes in redemption in Christ or not, which is what I would consider a Christian.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

I wouldn't call it hatred or persecution in most cases but there is a difference in how some Christians react to or treat people that don't fit into the neat little boxes some of them like to put people into vs the few that do. For example when one Christian disagrees with another about some relatively unimportant aspect of the faith, like whether Jesus is against same sex attraction or just the act of being with the same sex.

It's a difference that IMO from the outside, doesn't change whether someone actually believes in redemption in Christ or not, which is what I would consider a Christian.

One can believe in the redemption of Christ and not be saved. You need to have experienced the redemption of Christ and be saved, and then you long to follow what He taught and obey Him. That is when we want to help others to share that same joy by evangelizing. Part of evangelizing is telling people what Christ taught, and He taught that homosexuality is a sin.
If we don't know we are sinning, how can we repent?
Particularly in this culture where they are being lied to constantly by people making money on their poor behaviour, these people need us more than ever.

 

[Allandavid]

I wouldn't call it hatred or persecution in most cases but there is a difference in how some Christians react to or treat people that don't fit into the neat little boxes some of them like to put people into vs the few that do. For example when one Christian disagrees with another about some relatively unimportant aspect of the faith, like whether Jesus is against same sex attraction or just the act of being with the same sex.

It's a difference that IMO from the outside, doesn't change whether someone actually believes in redemption in Christ or not, which is what I would consider a Christian.

Have you ever thought it interesting that the desires of god/Jesus/deity of choice always seem to match the particular beliefs and preferences of the particular adherent...?

 

[Desk trauma]

Ok, Maajid Nawaz seems questionable but ok, so what?

I was replying to your asking for the Islamic reforms the SPLC had put on their lists.

 

[MrSpikey]

Why would they love unrepentant sinners? Why would anyone love someone who loves a sin that Jesus died on the cross for? And why do you assume that they want America to be a secular country? Many Christians do not desire that.

"You, therefore have no excuse, you who pass judgement on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgement do the same things. Now we know that God's judgement against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgement on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgement? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance (Romans 2:1-4)."

 

[mark kennedy]

We lost a brother from our family due to this kind of 'righteous hatred'. Not because any of us are gay, not even because some of us are non-believers. No, he cut himself off from the rest of the family because, in his words, we are all "unrepentant sinners", in that we don't walk the same path that he does.

You probably wouldn't appreciate our sadness over such a situation...after all, you'd be right behind him in his judgement, yes...?

It's none of my business but what kind of a religion did your brother get into. Did he join a cult, convert to Catholicism, shave his head and become a Hare Krishna or what? Most Christians I know have a burden for their family coming to faith in Christ.

 

[Allandavid]

It's none of my business but what kind of a religion did your brother get into. Did he join a cult, convert to Catholicism, shave his head and become a Hare Krishna or what? Most Christians I know have a burden for their family coming to faith in Christ.

Southern Baptist....yep, even in Australia...!