Hate Group treated to closed-door speech by Sessions

[Desk trauma]

I think they went way over board calling the, Alliance Defending Freedom, a hate group. The list some of the founders as, 'James Dobson of Focus on the Family; Bill Bright of the Campus Crusade for Christ; D. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Ministries (now D. James Kennedy Ministries)'. These are well known evangelical ministers who don't have a hateful bone in the bodies. Now it's considered hateful to have religious and moral objections to same sex relations? Looks like they just don't like evangelical Christianity.

None of that is a connection to domestic terrorism.

 

[mark kennedy]

Floyd Corkins.

Ok now I see what you were getting at:

On his nightly radio show on Wednesday, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins mentioned the plea deal and accused the Southern Poverty Law Center of playing a role in the shooting by inciting hatred and violence rather than fighting it -- a claim he has repeatedly made since the shooting.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is dangerous. They are inciting hatred, and in this case a clear connection to violence," he said on the radio broadcast. "They need to be held accountable, and they need to be stopped before people are killed because of their reckless labeling and advocacy for homosexuality and their anti-Christian stance." (DC shooter wanted to kill as many as possible, prosecutors say, CNN)
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None of that is a connection to domestic terrorism.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins mentioned the plea deal and accused the Southern Poverty Law Center of playing a role in the shooting by inciting hatred and violence rather than fighting it -- a claim he has repeatedly made since the shooting. (DC shooter wanted to kill as many as possible, prosecutors say, CNN)
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Perkins believes the SPLC incited the hatred that lead to the attempted mass murder. Of course that's just their opinion but I see no reason the SPLC's opinion of the FRC has any more weight then the FRC's opinion of SPLC.

 

[Desk trauma]

Perkins believes the SPLC incited the hatred that lead to the attempted mass murder. Of course that's just their opinion but I see no reason the SPLC's opinion of the FRC has any more weight then the FRC's opinion of SPLC.

I'm in agreement on ignoring the SPLCs option, as well as that of the FRC.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Ok now I see what you were getting at:

On his nightly radio show on Wednesday, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins mentioned the plea deal and accused the Southern Poverty Law Center of playing a role in the shooting by inciting hatred and violence rather than fighting it -- a claim he has repeatedly made since the shooting.

"The Southern Poverty Law Center is dangerous. They are inciting hatred, and in this case a clear connection to violence," he said on the radio broadcast. "They need to be held accountable, and they need to be stopped before people are killed because of their reckless labeling and advocacy for homosexuality and their anti-Christian stance." (DC shooter wanted to kill as many as possible, prosecutors say, CNN)
​

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins mentioned the plea deal and accused the Southern Poverty Law Center of playing a role in the shooting by inciting hatred and violence rather than fighting it -- a claim he has repeatedly made since the shooting. (DC shooter wanted to kill as many as possible, prosecutors say, CNN)
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Perkins believes the SPLC incited the hatred that lead to the attempted mass murder. Of course that's just their opinion but I see no reason the SPLC's opinion of the FRC has any more weight then the FRC's opinion of SPLC.

Corkins testified that the SPLC literature inspired him to go after the FRC

 

[Desk trauma]

Corkins testified that the SPLC literature inspired him to go after the FRC

Do you also consider InfoWars connected to domestic terrorism after the pizzagate incident?

 

[mark kennedy]

Do you also consider InfoWars connected to domestic terrorism after the pizzagate incident?

I'm a Christian, if the man offers a sincere apology and then actually invites the offended party on his show to clarify any misunderstandings that's the opposite of hate:

“In our commentary about what had become known as Pizzagate, I made comments about Mr. Alefantis that in hindsight I regret, and for which I apologize to him,” (Infowars' Alex Jones apologizes for pushing 'Pizzagate' conspiracy theory. The Hill)
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That's different then the SPLC calling Christian activist organizations hate groups unapologeticly.

 

[mark kennedy]

Corkins testified that the SPLC literature inspired him to go after the FRC

Yes he did, when Bernie Sanders heard that James T. Hodgkinson was a volunteer during his campaign he immediately condemned the attack:

Sen. Bernard Sanders took to the Senate floor Wednesday to condemn the morning attack on Republican members of Congress, saying he was horrified to learn that the suspect had been a campaign volunteer for his presidential bid last year.

“I am sickened by this despicable act,” Mr. Sanders said. “Let me be as clear as I can be. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms.” (Bernie Sanders ‘sickened’ after learning campaign volunteer was shooter James Hodgkinson, Washington Times)
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The SPLC, to my knowledge, never did with regards to Corkins.

 

[Belk]

That may be, but Christ is still the truth, my friend.

On that we will have to agree to disagree. Have a good day Mrs. PGL.

 

[DaisyDay]

Why would they love unrepentant sinners? Why would anyone love someone who loves a sin that Jesus died on the cross for?

Well, there's Christ's Second Great Commandment, to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Christ died for your sins as well - do you think that your sins are less than their sins?

And why do you assume that they want America to be a secular country? Many Christians do not desire that.

America was founded as a secular country. If many Christians do not want that, then perhaps they should seek to convert others by example of the goodness, love and charity of their everyday actions rather than by throwing stones at transgressors.

 

[DaisyDay]

That's different then the SPLC calling Christian activist organizations hate groups unapologeticly.

They don't call just any or all Christian activist organizations hate groups - they detail their reasons with examples. If a Christian activist organization is a hate group that advocates for discrimination and condemnation of people based on the people's race, sexual orientation, nationality and/or religion, why shouldn't SPLC say they are one? Isn't that anti-PC, what people admire Donald J. Trump, Sr., for - telling it like it is?

 

[mark kennedy]

They don't call just any or all Christian activist organizations hate groups - they detail their reasons with examples. If a Christian activist organization is a hate group that advocates for discrimination and condemnation of people based on the people's race, sexual orientation, nationality and/or religion, why shouldn't SPLC say they are one? Isn't that anti-PC, what people admire Donald J. Trump, Sr., for - telling it like it is?

Yes they do consider any organization opposed to same sex relations a hate group. Having religious and moral convictions with regards to sexual orientation isn't hate.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Do you also consider InfoWars connected to domestic terrorism after the pizzagate incident?

I am not familiar with it, though mark kennedy seems to have shown some matters about it.

Yes he did, when Bernie Sanders heard that James T. Hodgkinson was a volunteer during his campaign he immediately condemned the attack:

Sen. Bernard Sanders took to the Senate floor Wednesday to condemn the morning attack on Republican members of Congress, saying he was horrified to learn that the suspect had been a campaign volunteer for his presidential bid last year.

“I am sickened by this despicable act,” Mr. Sanders said. “Let me be as clear as I can be. Violence of any kind is unacceptable in our society and I condemn this action in the strongest possible terms.” (Bernie Sanders ‘sickened’ after learning campaign volunteer was shooter James Hodgkinson, Washington Times)
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The SPLC, to my knowledge, never did with regards to Corkins.

This is true. They have been asked directly and repeatedly to condemn the attack but they will not. They have been given so many opportunities. It is obvious that they approve of it.

 

[tstor]

Well, there's Christ's Second Great Commandment, to love your neighbor as you love yourself. Christ died for your sins as well - do you think that your sins are less than their sins?

Several others raised this point, but I was away at the lake and did not really want to respond a couple days later. But since you have just now mentioned it, I will respond. Loving your neighbor as yourself does not mean that you love everyone unconditionally. It is silly to think that. As well, I do not believe that my sins are less than others. However, I am a repentant sinner. My comments were made in regard to unrepentant sinners. There is a huge difference. In fact, the difference determines whether one is saved or not.

America was founded as a secular country. If many Christians do not want that, then perhaps they should seek to convert others by example of the goodness, love and charity of their everyday actions rather than by throwing stones at transgressors.

Perhaps. I do not really have a dog in that fight.

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes they do consider any organization opposed to same sex relations a hate group.

No, they don't - only those which promote discrimination and harmful practices against the LGBT community.

Having religious and moral convictions with regards to sexual orientation isn't hate.

No, of course not. Many people, Unitarians famously, have religious and moral convictions with regards to sexual orientation which is that it is wrong to discriminate and wrong to treat people badly because of their orientation.

 

[mark kennedy]

No, they don't - only those which promote discrimination and harmful practices against the LGBT community.

By that standard the Apostle to the Gentiles hated gay?

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Rom. 1:24-27)​

Of did he consider what they do to be sin?

No, of course not. Many people, Unitarians famously, have religious and moral convictions with regards to sexual orientation which is that it is wrong to discriminate and wrong to treat people badly because of their orientation.

I tended to agree the decriminalizing sexual orientation was a privacy issue. I think people who want to criminalize sodomy are wrong, that doesn't make them a hate group. I don't think you should treat people badly because of their religion either.

 

[TBDude65]

Congrats on perpetuating their sin of slander.

“specializes in supporting the recriminalization of homosexuality abroad, ending same-sex marriage and generally making life as difficult as possible for LGBT communities in the U.S. and internationally.”

That is an outright lie.



The USA is a religious nation. You're confusing secular government with religious nation. Our Constitution was made for a wholly religious nation. It is entirely inadequate to govern any other kind.

Thank you for proving that you don't know what "secular" means.

And it isn't slander if that is there purpose. Perhaps they shouldn't be a hate mongering group of bigots? Just a thought...

 

[KarateCowboy]

Thank you for proving that you don't know what "secular" means.

And it isn't slander if that is there purpose. Perhaps they shouldn't be a hate mongering group of bigots? Just a thought...

Thanks for the incoherent reply. I wish I could make out what you're getting at. Have a nice day.

 

[TBDude65]

Thanks for the incoherent reply. I wish I could make out what you're getting at. Have a nice day.

What was incoherent about my 3 complete sentences and my 1 sentence ending in an ellipsis for effect?

 

[Rion]

So, like, are they actually a hate group or just a hate group by SPLC standards?

 

[Belk]

So, like, are they actually a hate group or just a hate group by SPLC standards?

I guess it depends on what you mean by "hate". Personally if a group advocated that my sexual orientation should be illegal I would consider that somewhat less then friendly.