The Double Message of Eternal Security.

[stuart lawrence]

What does Jason teach, that you would make such a remark about him?


JLB

Well here's one thing.
Jason insists a righteousness of observing the law exists concerning observing the moral law/TC. Paul says it doesnt

 

[Dan61861]

Yes the renewed , or refreshed Abrahamic Covenant, that we are grafted into, in Christ.

New Covenant, doesn't mean brand new as in different, brother.

The 10 commandments are God's eternal commandments that are for today.

7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelation 21:7-8


All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Thou shall not bear false witness.

Paul said it this way:

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

• those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you understand what "will not inherit the kingdom of God" means?




JLB

I am not under the Law, I am in Christ...it is His righteousness that I cleave onto.

James 2:10 for whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11. For He that said, do not commit adultry, said also, do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressors of the Law.

Yet, God for bid that I do sin. I find my righteousness in Christ...not in the Law.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[Dan61861]

What does Jason teach, that you would make such a remark about him?


JLB

He said that Christ has died for our sins according to the scriptures, He was buried and on the third day He rose from the dead according to the scriptures. Is not the Gospel.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am not under the Law, I am in Christ...it is His righteousness that I cleave onto.

James 2:10 for whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11. For He that said, do not commit adultry, said also, do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressors of the Law.

Yet, God for bid that I do sin. I find my righteousness in Christ...not in the Law.

In Christ
Daniel

Many say they accept grace but in reality live under the law. They cannot be righteous under the law, but they rely on it to be justified:

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse. For it is written: cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law.
Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith. The law is not based on faith
Gal3:10-12

For if those who live by law are heirs faith has no value and the promise is worthless for law brings wrath
Rom4:14

If faith has no value, you are cut off from grace, for grace comes through faith.
The reason law brings wrath, and you are cursed if you live under it, is because you cannot attain to the pass mark to be righteous under the law. For that pass mark is perfection. 100 percent perfect obedience.
These scriptures correspond to your quoting james2:10

 

[Dan61861]

Many say they accept grace but in reality live under the law. They cannot be righteous under the law, but they rely on it to be justified:

All who rely on observing the law are under a curse. For it is written: cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law.
Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith. The law is not based on faith
Gal3:10-12

For if those who live by law are heirs faith has no value and the promise is worthless for law brings wrath
Rom4:14

If faith has no value, you are cut off from grace, for grace comes through faith.
The reason law brings wrath, and you are cursed if you live under it, is because you cannot attain to the pass mark to be righteous under the law. For that pass mark is perfection. 100 percent perfect obedience.
These scriptures correspond to your quoting james2:10

Yes, this is why God washes us white as snow. He is magnified, He is glorified in the mercy He has shown towards us.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It's all one covenant. It's all the Old Covenant and part of that covenant.

Your cherry picking again. Can't do that with Gods Word. That's why ur understanding is wrong.

You should start using the tools out there to understand God's Word and rightly divide it instead of constantly falling into error. I recommend Biblehub.com. Parallel Bible option. It also includes good commentaries.

Please do not insult me by saying I need to study standard Bible resources. Either address my issue with Scripture, and or use a real world example like Jesus did.

God is good and He has a standard of goodness that is eternal.
Jesus said, if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
From day one, God wanted Adam and Eve to keep some kind of command.
Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
Revelation ends with telling us to keep God's commandments.
Blessed are they that do his commandments for they have the right to the tree of life (Revelation 22:14). Cover to cover, the Bible is telling you to obey and not to disobey.


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[stuart lawrence]

Please do not insult me by saying I need to study standard Bible resources. Either address my issue with Scripture, and or use a real world example like Jesus did.

God is good and He has a standard of goodness that is eternal.
Jesus said, if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
From day one, God wanted Adam and Eve to keep some kind of command.
Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15).
Revelation ends with telling us to keep God's commandments.
Blessed are they that do his commandments for they have the right to the tree of life (Revelation 22:14). Cover to cover, the Bible is telling you to obey and not to disobey.


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I hope Jason realises the measure he uses to judge others will be used to judge him

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Holiness is eternal. God is Holy. Righteousness and truth are eternal. God's covenant t with New Covenant Christians is not the Old Covenant.

Not sure what Bible you are reading.

Romans 4:13
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

But faith includes alot more than just believing. For the demons also believe and tremble (James 2:19). For it is written, "Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." (James 2:18).


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[1stcenturylady]

To be honest, you really surprise me. You spent 30 years in the SDA, you are finally free from it. This man wants to led you down the same rabbit hole.

Obey God's commandments and you will be righteous before God.

The only way to be righteous before God is by faith in Christ, he is our righteousness.

The Holy Spirit is NOT going to lead you to disobey any of the old moral commandments. Just because you won't commit murder, just because you are being lead by the Spirit doesn't mean you are UNDER the law. No, you live ABOVE the law. There is a big difference in power.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Of course, the works God desires are done out of love for God and gratitude for a free salvation.
God does not desire works that are done with the view they will better enable you to attain heaven

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It's all one covenant. It's all the Old Covenant and part of that covenant.

Your cherry picking again. Can't do that with Gods Word. That's why ur understanding is wrong.

You should start using the tools out there to understand God's Word and rightly divide it instead of constantly falling into error. I recommend Biblehub.com. Parallel Bible option. It also includes good commentaries.

Also, while there appeared to be individual covenants made with select individuals in the Old Covenant, it was still considered all one covenant or the first covenant.

"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second." (Hebrews 8:7).

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." (1 Corinthians 15:22).

It's why our BIbles have two divisions; An Old Testament (i.e. Old Covenant) and a New Testament (i.e. New Covenant).


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[Dan61861]

The Holy Spirit is NOT going to lead you to disobey any of the old moral commandments. Just because you won't commit murder, just because you are being lead by the Spirit doesn't mean you are UNDER the law. No, you live ABOVE the law. There is a big difference in power.

1 Corinthians 5:5...how was the spirit of that man still saved?

In Christ
Daniel

 

[1stcenturylady]

I thought your post would ignore the reality, and it did. And once again you chose not to answer my question didn't you.
I will ask you a third time.
How many Christians do you know who even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ.
If you are not completely honest, you have followed after the flesh.
And BTW Jason has never claimed himself to obey each and every literal command of Christ. At least he didnt lie.
THATS THE REALITY

It's good to live in the REAL world

What command of Jesus do you not keep?

 

[stuart lawrence]

A Baptist minister in the UK, who preached where Charles Spurgeon once preached said:
85 percent of evangelicals don't understand the justification/ sanctification process.

From my personal experience I would say his statement was accurate

 

[stuart lawrence]

What command of Jesus do you not keep?

Well for example. I haven't stopped inviting friends and family home for a meal, in order to invite the poor, lame, blind and beggars instead. Have you?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm sure you have as that is also what you believe and why we are on the same page. It is just part of me to mention Him every time, but if you feel you are protecting someone from sinning, then do what you are being lead to do.

Thank you for being understanding.

May God's power and might be upon you today.


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[1stcenturylady]

1 Corinthians 5:5...how was the spirit of that man still saved?

In Christ
Daniel

The Corinthians were told to excommunicate the man living in sin with his step mother. That is turning him over to Satan for the destruction of his fleshly desires, not to put him to physical death. It is for the purpose of driving someone to see the seriousness of their sin and to REPENT, so he can be saved.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You've left Christ and Him crucified in the rear view mirror. Without focusing on Christ and Him crucified, you'll end up lost and in the dark.

But how does a Christian who lives out their faith get the blood of Christ applied to their life?

1 John 1:7 says,
"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."


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[Bible Highlighter]

Holiness is eternal. God is Holy. Righteousness and truth are eternal. God's covenant t with New Covenant Christians is not the Old Covenant.

Not sure what Bible you are reading.

Romans 4:13
It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.

And you gotta keep reading.

For it says in verse 22,

"And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform." (Romans 4:22).



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[stuart lawrence]

What command of Jesus do you not keep?

BTW

I see you still don't want to answer my question. I will have to consider why that is