Amos 3:7, the New Testament & the Commandments

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why are you refusing to comment on a passage of the Holy Writ that tells us the 10 commandments were temporary?

Why is it continually and wrongfully quoted and applied as if
today,
since CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED<
now today,
as if that changed all things,
now today,
it is okay to murder, to steal, to lust/commit adultery,
to have other(pagan) gods every day ,
to continue (as is the case) committing idolatry every day ???

Now this is all "OKAY" ! ?

 

[Bob S]

Someone can't just take a sentence out of the Bible and make it say what they want it to say to fit their thology.

Who says you can't. What more could any surrounding thoughts makes it unclear that God was gong to end:
Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

The problem is that you do not want to believe the truth. You have been sold a bill of goods that you are not able to defend

 

[Bob S]

Why is it continually and wrongfully quoted and applied as if
today,
since CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED<
now today,
as if that changed all things,
now today,
it is okay to murder, to steal, to lust/commit adultery,
to have other(pagan) gods every day ,
to continue (as is the case) committing idolatry every day ???

Now this is all "OKAY" ! ?

Samo, samo, Go argue with Paul, he was the one who wrote it and he is telling us the Holy Spirit is greater that the 10 commandments. I will go with the Holy Spirit and you can go with your incomplete 10 that doesn't even contain the law of love.

 

[SAAN]

When the electric company sends a notice of shut off would you fluff it off as something out of context?
Then I gave you 2Cor3:7-11 and you still refuse to comment on what it is telling us. Why are you refusing to comment on a passage of the Holy Writ that tells us the 10 commandments were temporary?

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Where in the Prophets did God tell them that someone is coming along to abolish his commands, that he wrote with his own fingers, that Jesus, the disciples and Paul all taught, that have stood for close to 4000yrs at that point?

 

[SAAN]

Samo, samo, Go argue with Paul, he was the one who wrote it and he is telling us the Holy Spirit is greater that the 10 commandments. I will go with the Holy Spirit and you can go with your incomplete 10 that doesn't even contain the law of love.

On Judgment day you answer to Jesus, not Paul.

 

[1John2:4]

Who says you can't. What more could any surrounding thoughts makes it unclear that God was gong to end:
Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

The problem is that you do not want to believe the truth. You have been sold a bill of goods that you are not able to defend

If your way of thinking is true why did Yeshua keep the feasts and the Sabbath why did Paul and the apostles?

You have been sold a bill of goods my friend, you cannot or choose not see what the passage is saying. You say I'm not defending my position, however when I show you your error based on the context you refuse to see it. The passage does not say "now the Torah is done away with" as you claim. The context states that God was taking away all of thier desires, rain, crops, wool, including the feasts, to punish them, it says so in the passage. Because they transgressed His law and turned to Idolatry.

 

[bugkiller]

Why is it continually and wrongfully quoted and applied as if
today,
since CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED<
now today,
as if that changed all things,
now today,
it is okay to murder, to steal, to lust/commit adultery,
to have other(pagan) gods every day ,
to continue (as is the case) committing idolatry every day ???

Now this is all "OKAY" ! ?

Who is suggesting anyone said it was OK to be wicked? Only the pro law group do this. No one from the pro grace group comes close to saying this.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Who says you can't. What more could any surrounding thoughts makes it unclear that God was gong to end:
Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

The problem is that you do not want to believe the truth. You have been sold a bill of goods that you are not able to defend

For sure.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Where in the Prophets did God tell them that someone is coming along to abolish his commands, that he wrote with his own fingers, that Jesus, the disciples and Paul all taught, that have stood for close to 4000yrs at that point?

i have seen this or something similar posted and it is true - You've been told and refuse to believe.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

On Judgment day you answer to Jesus, not Paul.

No we answer to God. My answer will be Jesus!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If your way of thinking is true why did Yeshua keep the feasts and the Sabbath why did Paul and the apostles?

You have been sold a bill of goods my friend, you cannot or choose not see what the passage is saying. You say I'm not defending my position, however when I show you your error based on the context you refuse to see it. The passage does not say "now the Torah is done away with" as you claim. The context states that God was taking away all of thier desires, rain, crops, wool, including the feasts, to punish them, it says so in the passage. Because they transgressed His law and turned to Idolatry.

Jesus did. Paul did not for periods of time before his imprisonment in Rome. It is your obligation to prove you are correct. It is not our obligation to prove you are wrong. When we do this you simply say something like we are attacking you.

bugkiller

 

[1John2:4]

Jesus did. Paul did not for periods of time before his imprisonment in Rome. It is your obligation to prove you are correct. It is not our obligation to prove you are wrong. When we do this you simply say something like we are attacking you.

bugkiller

What are you talking about my obligation your obligation? What kind of redorick is that? You are the one making things personal. I would appreciate if you would just stick to the conversation I would not like for this to get locked for ugly behavior. We can all be Christ like and debate and disagree without being nasty to one another.

Paul did keep the feast and teach to keep the feasts have you not read
1 Corinthians 5:8
Acts 18:21

 

[Bob S]

Amos 3:7
7 Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

Where in the Prophets did God tell them that someone is coming along to abolish his commands, that he wrote with his own fingers, that Jesus, the disciples and Paul all taught, that have stood for close to 4000yrs at that point?

Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

All of the laws in Torah that deal with morality were before Torah and remain to this day. All the laws of morality are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love.

Jesus didn't come to abolish Torah, the Israelites did an excellent job of ripping the covenant apart. The covenant was Torah and Torah was not for salvation. Torah was the laws for Israel to live in the land of Canaan. All those laws had nothing to do with their eternal future. Each Israelite was saved the same way Abraham was saved. Again, Torah was not given, by God, to Israel as a ticket for their eternal life.

 

[Bob S]

What makes Messianics think that they can keep Torah better that Israel could. God became disgusted with the whole lot of them and Hosea revealed His disgust and wrote Hosea 2:11 and surrounding verses. Torah law was to come to an end and it did at the Cross when the new covenant was ratified by the blood of the Lamb. All this is the plan of salvation that was formulated before the foundation of the Earth.

The new covenant is not the old one warmed over. The old one was based on law, the new one is based on love. Love is what is written in the hearts of man and the Holy Spirit is there as our guide. Torah ended as the guide for Israel at Calvary. It never has been the guide for Christians. We have something far superior, the Holy Spirit. Thank you Jesus.

 

[listed]

Nope, you have yet to show any proof in context.

What is our of context with Jeremiah 31:31-33?

 

[listed]

God does nothing that he doesnt reveal to his prophets first, so where did the Prophets speak of one coming to abolish the laws of God. Fulfill can also mean to come and show how it was to be lived.

God revealed through His prophet Jeremiah a new and different covenant was coming. Jesus said bothe the covenant given to Israel at Mt Sinai was completed (fulfilled) in Luke 24:44 and the new covenant is the current covenant in Luke 22:20. God destroyed the authority center in 70 AD through the Romans. You wish to ignore all the evidence for some unknown reason.

Jesus cant say in 1 verse that im not here to abolish the commandments of God and in the very next sentence, the complete opposite, he wasnt bipolar.

We have dictionaries to help us with the meaning of words. It also appears we have private dictionaries altering the meaning from the rest of the world. God hasn't been used against Himself here by the pro grace people. I'm beginning to believe the pro law people here are nothing but scoffers.

If I said im not here to abolish the traffic laws but to fulfill them, would that mean im here to show you how to obey them or say you can now run stop signs, red lights, and go 40mph over the limit. Its very clear what the context of fulfill Jesus was trying to use.

We are to meet (fulfill) the requirements of traffic laws. The new covenant has different laws (if you prefer) from the old one. The new covenant is based on promises instead of law. Go ahead and say I self contradicted myself if you want. Just remember the parenthesis. The new covenant laws are based on if instead of demand. The new covenant changes the heart (will) which the law can not do. Read Romans. It is inspired by God and accepted as Christian holy writ.

 

[listed]

I am starting to think you just plunk things out of the Bible without reading the context.
Please read the context and you will understand the meaning.
“Therefore I will return and take away
My grain in its time
And My new wine in its season,
And will take back My wool and My linen,
Given to cover her nakedness.
10 Now I will uncover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers,
And no one shall deliver her from My hand.
11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
Her feast days,
Her New Moons,
Her Sabbaths—
All her appointed feasts.

12 “And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees,
Of which she has said,
‘These are my wages that my lovers have given me.’
So I will make them a forest,
And the beasts of the field shall eat them.
13 I will punish her
For the days of the Baals to which she burned incense.
She decked herself with her earrings and jewelry,
And went after her lovers;
But Me she forgot,” says the Lord

Do you have any verse saying the ceremonial items of the law are restored during the time of the gentiles at least?

 

[listed]

I could only imagine what would have happened to Paul if he was going around teaching the 10C's were only temporary, im sure that would have went really well back then lol . They wanted to kill him for teaching the commandments, so one could only image him saying dont worry about them now and how they would have reacted.

Don't you read Paul writings in the Bible? Is Galatians and Corinthians Scripture? Both are in my Bible and called Scripture by everyone I know.

 

[listed]

Feel like we are going in a full circle now. Gentiles are grafted into Israel.

No we're graft into Jesus. Who lives in us and from both Who and What we draw our life from based on the Gospel of John.

 

[1John2:4]

Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.

All of the laws in Torah that deal with morality were before Torah and remain to this day. All the laws of morality are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love.

Jesus didn't come to abolish Torah, the Israelites did an excellent job of ripping the covenant apart. The covenant was Torah and Torah was not for salvation. Torah was the laws for Israel to live in the land of Canaan. All those laws had nothing to do with their eternal future. Each Israelite was saved the same way Abraham was saved. Again, Torah was not given, by God, to Israel as a ticket for their eternal life.

Torah includes Genisis which was before the law was given so I am not sure that Torah is the same as the Covenant.