Creation Story: Did God lie?

[AV1611VET]

I’m sorry, even though you may think I was replying to you because I quoted your post, I was not. Don’t be so naive in the future. Seriously…

Oh, sorry! My bad!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

How should this thread be handled then?

As I said, "In general, it's considered better to start a new thread and - if necessary - link to or refer to the old one."

Once a thread has been necro'd, it's really up to the participants (and/or moderators) to decide whether to continue or move to a new thread. Sometimes moderators will move the new posts to a new thread with a suitable title. I don't know if there is any set policy here.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I'll bet you wouldn't think twice about quoting Charles Darwin, would you?

And his "thread" (The Preservation of Favoured Races) is much older than this one.

 

[KWCrazy]

Well you were quoting them and responding to what they typed.

That's because we respond to the post, not the person.

The OP made the same point that Satan did in misconstruing God's words. God told Adam he would surely die if he ate the fruit. At that point death was introduced into the world. Adam lived a long time. Able did not. Animals became carnivorous. The life cycle changed from a perpetual Eden to survival of the most fit. The wages of sin are death, and death came into the world the day Adam ate the fruit.

15 years later, many still don't get this.

 

[AirPo]

How should this thread be handled then?

How many times has this been explained? Create a new thread with a link to the old thread, fully disclosing it is a link to an old thread.

 

[AirPo]

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Shouldn't that be a Zombie Wizard? And it should deal at least one damage when tapped.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Shouldn't that be a Zombie Wizard? And it should deal at least one damage when tapped.

Nerd alert!

 

[AV1611VET]

How many times has this been explained? Create a new thread with a link to the old thread, fully disclosing it is a link to an old thread.

Two threads are better than one?

 

[Colter]

I've discussed this point in other forums and am curious about the opinions here.

If we examine the fable of Eden, we discover an interesting observation. God seems to have lied, and the serpent seems to have told the truth. God told Adam and Eve: (Genesis 3:3) “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die .” And the serpent responded: (Genesis 3:4) “And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die .” Well, as the story goes, we know they both ate the fruit, and did not die.

Following along...

Next, who is God talking to in the following: (Genesis 3:22) “And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us , to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever ”? Who is he addressing as us? Also, was the "tree of life" another alternate (but forbidden to humans) means of eternal life in heaven?

Opinions?

Adam and Eve did die for their disobedience.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Do you realize that this is exactly how the first sin came into being...questioning God's word>? That's satan's #1 way of leading people astray, "is that really what He meant?" "He didn't say that exactly" "He never said you couldn't..." etc. Anyway, just thought I would point that out

You might say this is where the first dogma came from. No questions allowed!

 

[Steve Petersen]

C. The fact that the Bible tends to be much more concerned with our eternal destiny

That is a hard sell from an OT perspective. The OT shows very little concern about life after death. The idea hardly appears at all.

 

[AirPo]

Two threads are better than one?

Yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

That is a hard sell from an OT perspective. The OT shows very little concern about life after death. The idea hardly appears at all.

For those who think Moses authored (not edited) the book of Genesis, the book of Job is considered the oldest book in the Bible.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Where did he get that information?

 

[Steve Petersen]

For those who think Moses authored (not edited) the book of Genesis, the book of Job is considered the oldest book in the Bible.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Where did he get that information?

Where did the author of Ecclesiastes get his information?

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all isvanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth? 22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?​

 

[Colter]

For those who think Moses authored (not edited) the book of Genesis, the book of Job is considered the oldest book in the Bible.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Where did he get that information?

Like some of the Psalms, the Book of Job came from Egypt and they sourced the teachings of the Salem missionaries of Melchizedek. Job is parabolic, it's a worldly wise reaction to the belief in providence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Where did the author of Ecclesiastes get his information?

My point is that the plan of salvation begins in Genesis.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity [Jesus Christ] between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like some of the Psalms, the Book of Job came from Egypt ...

Assuming Uz is Egypt, what does that matter?

... and they sourced the teachings of the Salem missionaries of Melchizedek.

You do know that Melchizedek was Jesus Christ, do you not?

 

[Colter]

Assuming Uz is Egypt, what does that matter?You do know that Melchizedek was Jesus Christ, do you not?

The Hebrews apropriated things from other cultures and made them their own.

No, actually Macaventia Melchizedek was an incarnate Son of God under the authority of Christ Michael. Appearing as a full grown man he established a monotheistic evangelist center in Salem from which missionaries went out to the world. He was on the earth for 90 years on an emergency basis. He is of an order of emergency sons. It was Melchizedek who established the covenant with Abram.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, actually Macaventia Melchizedek was an incarnate Son of God under the authority of Christ Michael. Appearing as a full grown man he established a monotheistic evangelist center in Salem from which missionaries went out to the world. He was on the earth for 90 years on an emergency basis. He is of an order of emergency sons. It was Melchizedek who established the covenant with Abram.

Your boys from Chicago wrote that, did they?

Evidently Jerusalem didn't get the message.

And I'm glad.

Incidentally, where did Marshall Applewhite go wrong?

 

[lesliedellow]

You do know that Melchizedek was Jesus Christ, do you not?

I am not sure whether AV or Colter is more creative iwhen it comes to making up things not found in the Bible, but Colter probably wins.