Of course God Almighty can create babies using virgins. That's not the issue here, I asked where in the Torah do we read of any prophecy clearing telling God's chosen people, God will manifest himself as a man and come and die for the sins of man kind. Isaiah 7:14 was supplied as indicating a child called 'Emanuel' would be born of a virgin. Yet the Jewish translation of the Torah says, young woman, and even names the child in Isaiah 8. A child that was born 560 years before Jesus pbuh was born of a virgin.
What do you think son of God means? I used lowercase for 'son' as there is no distinction made in early Greek Manuscripts, some are written entirely in uppercase.
I'm sorry, I haven't been able to keep up with all of the conversation properly, I must have misunderstood the thread of the discussion. Well, looking carefully those scriptures I quoted, it also demonstrates how the God in Genesis is the same God (Spirit) in the gospel of Luke.
The bible is a spiritual book......full of hidden spiritual truths that we mine and dig out with the help of the Holy Spirit. A lot of what is written in the OT, actually happened in historical fact, but God had these things written down in such a way, not as a history book, but in order to contain His truths. A lot of it is like living parables in other words, and it doesn't all come to us so directly, like "Thus says the Lord, I am going to have a Son in the first century who will be crucified for the sins of the people." No, His truths do not come so easily as that, His truths first of all test our hearts, and also they need to be revealed, some of which comes at a cost to us so to speak as we follow the Lord in obedience. In any case I will try to put some scriptures down that certainly do give us clues regarding the Son of God. (I capitalize to indicate respect for God and also to make it clear which "Him" and which "Son" i'm talking about, just my own choice and habit to do that, though it is also done in King James.)
Son of God means begotten of God, miraculously, not a human father………
Just a thought about the “young woman/virgin” in Isaiah………if she wasn’t a virgin and had a baby then it wouldn’t have been much of a sign would it, it would have been the most common occurrence on the planet at any time in man’s history.
Proverbs 30:4-6 (King James)
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
(Think we will agree this passage has to be talking about God…..and also indicating that He has a son.)
(This following passage in Isaiah confirms the divinity of the son.)
Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born,
unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor,
The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
Psalms 2:6-7 (King James) Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,
Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psalm 8:3-6
When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
What is man, that thou art mindful of him?
and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Daniel 3:24-25 (Young’s Literal Translation)
Then Nebuchadnezzar the king hath been astonished, and hath risen in haste; he hath answered and said to his counsellors, 'Have we not cast three men into the midst of the fire -- bound?' They have answered and are saying to the king, 'Certainly, O king.'
He answered and hath said, 'Lo, I am seeing four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and
the appearance of the fourth is like to a son of the gods.
(This prophecy describes the crucifixion and confirms that it was for the sins of the people.)
Isaiah 52:13 – 53:12
Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
(Thank you Jesus, I will forever be grateful.)
I do have flaws, however.
