Unfortunately, sins weren't forgiven until the atonement was made in the law, not before. We have many examples in Leviticus 4 & 5.
Which contradicts the poster you seem to be defending, who points to sins being forgiven without shedding of blood. Meanwhile, your statement that "sins weren't forgiven until the atonement was made in the law, not before," is correct insofar as sins could not be forgiven without an atonement, but it is incorrect if meaning that every sins awaited an sacrifice being presently made for that sin.
The Lord told David, for one, that He has put away his sin upon David's contrite confession and before any atonement under the Law was offered, yet God required blood atonement to be made for all of Israel's sin, and which pointed to Christ, under which God could forgive sins at any time.
You are saying when Jesus forgave many sins before an atonement, it was kind of a 'layaway plan'; it was a 'get it now, pay later' law.
However, the fact that Jesus never told any of those forgiven to 'sacrifice' any atonement, shows that Jesus had power on earth to forgive sins anytime, anywhere, and however He chose.
Obviously if one received forgiveness before the required atonement was made, then one is receiving something now before the required atonement was made.
Christ never told any of those forgiven to sacrifice any atonement because He would make that atonement, and thus what He told souls was to believe on Him. That Christ made the atonement and thus souls are forgiven who believe on Him is indisputable and the two obviously go together:
For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to
give his life a ransom for many. (Mark 10:45)
For
this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (Matthew 26:28)
And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
Christ to
suffer, and to
rise from the dead the third day: And that
repentance and
remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:46-47)
And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom
they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;...To him give all the prophets witness, t
hat through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:39-40,43)
Whom
God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness
for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; (Romans 3:25)
For if, when we were enemies,
we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only
so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom
we have now received the atonement. (Romans 5:10-11)
For in that he died,
he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. (Romans 6:10)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that
Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (1 Corinthians 15:3)
In whom we have
redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; (Ephesians 1:7)
In whom we have
redemption through his blood,
even the forgiveness of sins: (Colossians 1:14)
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and
without shedding of blood is no remission. (Hebrews 9:22)
And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after
he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (Hebrews 10:11-12)
Having therefore, brethren,
boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (Hebrews 10:19)
Having therefore, brethren,
boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (Hebrews 10:19)
Who his own self
bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1 Peter 2:24)
For
Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (1 Peter 3:18)
But this man, after he had
offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (Hebrews 10:12)
Having therefore, brethren,
boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (Hebrews 10:19)
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and
sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. (1 John 4:10)
And from Jesus Christ,
who is the faithful witness,
and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and
washed us from our sins in his own blood, (Revelation 1:5)
Remember these in my response to your denial of Christ being a sin offering below. Either Jesus death was that sin offering and is essential for forgiveness or it was superfluous, take your pick.
If you don't mind, I would like you to tell us how the following passage fits under the 'rubric' of OT atonement.
Matthew 6:14
For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Not a problem at all, for here the fact that God can forgive - even if He can withhold such if one is not acting consistent with saving faith, which effects repentance and obedience - is because He has provided for sins being forgiven via the atonement.
Comparing what Jesus went through at the crucifixion with the laws of atonement, is comparing apples to elephants. We can get into that later if you like.
Repentance for the forgiveness of sins is taught throughout the OT. It was nothing new with Jesus.
Repentance and belief go together, repentant faith being what appropriates justification and is salvific:
The Lord
is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. (Psalms 34:18)
I deal more with this two-sided coin later on, so see there.
That Jesus told His disciples about His suffering and resurrection was repeating what He told to them earlier.
Matthew 16
21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. 24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
We see that Jesus told them He must suffer at the hands of the elders, chief priest, and scribes, be killed, and raised again. This is not the requirements of a sin offering, far from it.
Really? You mean Scripture is lying when is says He bore and suffered/died for our sins after being delivered by the priests? just what kind of difference do you see that would change this?
And he shall take of the congregation of the children of Israel
two kids of the goats for a sin offering, and one ram for a burnt offering. (Leviticus 16:5)
And he shall take the two goats, and present them before the Lord
at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the Lord, and the other lot for the scapegoat.
And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the Lord's lot fell, and offer him for a sin offering. But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the
scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an
atonement with him,
and to
let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness. (Leviticus 16:7-10)
Then shall he
kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his
blood within the vail, and do with that
blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: (Leviticus 16:15)
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the
live goat, and
confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins,
putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send
him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: (Leviticus 16:21)
And this shall be an
everlasting statute unto you,
to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses. (Leviticus 16:34)
Christ was thus both offerings, the scapegoat and sin offering, which is corespondent to Isaiah 53, which you must also deny refers to Christ making atonement as a sin offering:
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and
the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)
Jesus did not talk about His cross, instead, He talked about the disciples taking up their own cross. If anything, Jesus was telling the disciples to 'sacrifice' themselves.
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put
him to grief: when
thou shalt make his soul [life]
an offering for sin, he shall see
his seed, he shall prolong
his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. (Isaiah 53:10)
Thus Christ said He was a
ransom, and because of his death remission of sins is provided for, and Paul affirms that He
died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and by His
blood we have
forgiveness, and Peter affirms He
bore our sins and suffered/died for them, and Hebrews states he offered
one sacrifice for sins for ever, and thus by His sacrifice sins can be actually taken away and access into Heaven obtained, and John states He made
atonement, and
by His blood believers wash their sins away, and Phillip affirms the suffering scapegoat and sin offering of Is. 53 speaks of Christ:
The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and
began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. (Acts 8:32-35)
Jesus is the atonement itself.
Because He made atonement as the sin offering who bore our sins and died for them at the hands of priests (if via the Romans),
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare,
I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. (Romans 3:25,26)
And He told us how to be forgiven, that is, through repentance.
Repentance is a result of belief, and in fact all we do is a result of what we really believe, at least at the moment.
One has a change of heart in response to what he believes. in this case that he is a damned destitute sinner in need of salvation (a change from believing he is not), and who thus must believe on the Lord Jesus to save him, and which belief is itself an act of repentance, a change of heart.
And which means that salvific belief and repentance are inseparable, and the words can be used for one another, one cannot have one without the other, one cannot believe without repentance, and to repent requires belief, but it is repentant faith which purifies the heart, appropriates justification and is counted for righteousness.
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43)
And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as
he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:8-9)
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. (Acts 11:18)
In whom ye also
trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise. (Ephesians 1:13)
Repent ye therefore [contextually as a consequence of evidence Christ is Lord], and be converted [an act of repentant faith], that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (Acts 3:19)
He that believeth [with Biblical repentant faith, which characteristically continues] on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. (John 3:36)
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 20:21)
Thus the words are used interchangeably, but as repentance is an effect, with faith being its cause, however, repentant faith does not merit forgiveness, "but to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
Such saving faith is that which effects obedience, and thus sometimes salvation is promised by if one will do sometime (baptism, confess) since such testifies to them being believers. It is only the kind of faith which will confess Christ in word and in deed that is counted for righteousness, though as seen in Acts 10, God, who opens the heart, and gives faith and grants repentance, sees saving faith in the heart before there is outward response, and purifies the heart by such faith.
Man no longer had to bring anything to be sacrificed.
Of course man no longer had to bring anything to be sacrificed, for God hath set forth Christ
"a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God."(Romans 3:25)
In response to which our whole life is to be a sacrifice, is not a sin offering.
"This is much like Jesus telling us that it is no longer an eye for eye, which was in the law (Leviticus 24:19, 20), but now it is not to resist an evil person and turn your cheek to him. Also, like committing adultery specified in the law. He told us that to look upon a woman to lust after her has committed adultery. "
Not sure where you are going with this but yes, For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:3-4)
But, Jesus did not meet the requirement of the blood atonement for forgiveness.
Leviticus 4
32 ‘If he brings a lamb as his sin offering, he shall bring a female without blemish.
33 Then he shall lay his hand on the head of the sin offering, and kill it as a sin offering at the place where they kill the burnt offering.
34 The priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour all the remaining blood at the base of the altar.
35 He shall remove all its fat, as the fat of the lamb is removed from the sacrifice of the peace offering. Then the priest shall burn it on the altar, according to the offerings made by fire to the Lord. So the priest shall make atonement for his sin that he has committed, and it shall be forgiven him.
Carefully read the passages above, and tell us what requirements Jesus fulfilled. Give us any requirement of any sin offering, and tell us which ones Jesus fulfilled.
I already have shown requirements of sin offering for the people in the dy of atonement, while if what you quote (which refers to sins through ignorance) excludes anything that differs from it as being a sin offering (as Lv. 4:23 does where it is a male goat, not female), then any such that differ are. However, there is not need to go thru the 107 OT references to sin offering as it is clearly stated and shon that Christ is the sin offering which all such pointed to, and thus you either let the Holy Spirit interpret Himself or you must contradict Him.
Just a few more:
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when
he offered up himself. (Hebrews 7:27)
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption
for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall
the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Hebrews 9:12-14)
Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to
put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (Hebrews 9:25-26)
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So
Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:27-28)
But this man, after he had
offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (Hebrews 10:12)
Or do you pick and choose from the Bible what books you hold to be inspired of God? What is the name of your cult?