The Seventh Day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

[bugkiller]

Eph 6:2 the FIFTH commandment is the "FIRST commandment" in that still-valid-for all mankind unit of TEN "with a promise".

When a Bible detail is so incredibly obvious that both sides of the Saturday-vs-Sunday debate admit to it... well there is no sense in "debating the obvious"

Failed again with a by pass response.

Sorry but Jesus said the words recorded in Mark 7:6-13 which does indeed include that commandment. (As we have all seen a few dozen times by now);

6 He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men —the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.”

9 He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban”—’ (that is, a gift to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

And closed with an intended condemnation.

Nothing new.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

You made the following statements.

Your saying Bob, that obedience to the law will not justify you before God.
The law carries no weight in any determination of salvation (justification) by God.
We can only be justified by faith through Grace.

These Baptists are Calvinists, nearly everything you believe is contrary to what they believe.

You cannot be justified by any law, Sabbath or otherwise.

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!

2. Baptists are not "Calvinists" - some are ... some are not. Big division there for them (you might be thinking of Presbyterians) - but C.H. Spurgeon was Calvinist and it is his edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith that we are quoting. It is in section 19 that he does not differ with the Adventist POV. And that is the one on the LAW of God - the Moral LAW of God - including the TEN Commandments according to his text.

3. Romans describes TWO contexts for the term "justification"
3.a. "Having BEEN justified by faith we have peace with God' Romans 5:!. -- "We are justified by FAITH APART from the WORKS of the LAW" . All refer to justification "past" which is how a lost person BECOMES a born-again saint.

3.b "It is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified...on the day when according to my Gospel - God will judge" Rom 2:13-16. This is future justification and has to do with the Matt 7 teaching of Christ "by their fruit you shall know them". The good tree does not "Become good" when someone looks at finds that it has good fruit. Rather it had to already be a good tree to have good fruit. The act of judging it did not change it in any way.

Hello Bob.

Thanks for the reply.

If you cannot be justified by the law, then that means, obedience or disobedience to the law will not effect that justification

It does not mean that at all -as the Bible points out. you are welcomed to that speculation of course.. since you have free will.

Romans 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation


1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

[1stcenturylady]

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!

2. Baptists are not "Calvinists" - some are ... some are not. Big division there for them (you might be thinking of Presbyterians) - but C.H. Spurgeon was Calvinist and it is his edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith that we are quoting. It is in section 19 that he does not differ with the Adventist POV. And that is the one on the LAW of God - the Moral LAW of God - including the TEN Commandments according to his text.

3. Romans describes TWO contexts for the term "justification"
3.a. "Having BEEN justified by faith we have peace with God' Romans 5:!. -- "We are justified by FAITH APART from the WORKS of the LAW" . All refer to justification "past" which is how a lost person BECOMES a born-again saint.

3.b "It is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified...on the day when according to my Gospel - God will judge" Rom 2:13-16. This is future justification and has to do with the Matt 7 teaching of Christ "by their fruit you shall know them". The good tree does not "Become good" when someone looks at finds that it has good fruit. Rather it had to already be a good tree to have good fruit. The act of judging it did not change it in any way.



It does not mean that at all -as the Bible points out. you are welcomed to that speculation of course.. since you have free will.

Romans 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

So you don't mind if I keep the Sabbath everyday, instead of just once a week do you?

 

[bugkiller]

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

But it does not prove one is bound by or is keeping the law either.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

You made the following statements.

Your saying Bob, that obedience to the law will not justify you before God.
The law carries no weight in any determination of salvation (justification) by God.
We can only be justified by faith through Grace.

These Baptists are Calvinists, nearly everything you believe is contrary to what they believe.

You cannot be justified by any law, Sabbath or otherwise.

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!

Are you justified as a free gift by Christ or are you justified by obedience to the law?

Is the gift a free gift of justification, or is the gift actually based on obedience to the law?

Well Bob, how about advertising which Baptist confession supports your theology. Instead of misleading people reading your posts.

False accusation "again"??

Why keep doing that?

You appear to have not read section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of faith" or else you are no longer interested in the "details". At first from your question above - it made it appear you were interested in the actual details of section 19 of that document.

Misleading??

Why else add that false accusation at the end of your post??

 

[BobRyan]

So you don't mind if I keep the Sabbath everyday, instead of just once a week do you?

You have free will - I am happy to see that you are free to make your choices.

But as for God's Word - the Bible condemns the idea of those who "will not work" -- on the other hand doing secular work on the weekly Bible Sabbath is condemned in the actual Bible.

I think we both knew that.

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

You made the following statements.

Your saying Bob, that obedience to the law will not justify you before God.
The law carries no weight in any determination of salvation (justification) by God.
We can only be justified by faith through Grace.

These Baptists are Calvinists, nearly everything you believe is contrary to what they believe.

You cannot be justified by any law, Sabbath or otherwise.

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!

2. Baptists are not "Calvinists" - some are ... some are not. Big division there for them (you might be thinking of Presbyterians) - but C.H. Spurgeon was Calvinist and it is his edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith that we are quoting. It is in section 19 that he does not differ with the Adventist POV. And that is the one on the LAW of God - the Moral LAW of God - including the TEN Commandments according to his text.

3. Romans describes TWO contexts for the term "justification"
3.a. "Having BEEN justified by faith we have peace with God' Romans 5:!. -- "We are justified by FAITH APART from the WORKS of the LAW" . All refer to justification "past" which is how a lost person BECOMES a born-again saint.

3.b "It is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified...on the day when according to my Gospel - God will judge" Rom 2:13-16. This is future justification and has to do with the Matt 7 teaching of Christ "by their fruit you shall know them". The good tree does not "Become good" when someone looks at finds that it has good fruit. Rather it had to already be a good tree to have good fruit. The act of judging it did not change it in any way.

Hello Bob.

Thanks for the reply.

If you cannot be justified by the law, then that means, obedience or disobedience to the law will not effect that justification

It does not mean that at all -as the Bible points out. you are welcomed to that speculation of course.. since you have free will.

Romans 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation


1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

But it does not prove one is bound by or is keeping the law either.

bugkiller

I find your logic "illusive"

 

[1stcenturylady]

You have free will - I am happy to see that you are free to make your choices.

But as for God's Word - the Bible condemns the idea of those who "will not work" -- on the other hand doing secular work on the weekly Bible Sabbath is condemned in the actual Bible.

I think we both knew that.

Well, I'm pretty crippled and retired, and live very frugally on SS. My "job" is teaching on here, and writing my books. But there is a spiritual application to the Sabbath that is in our New Covenant, not in the oldness of the letter - physical work, but in the Spirit - trusting in God. That's what I can't get through to you.

 

[klutedavid]

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!



False accusation "again"??

Why keep doing that?

You appear to have not read section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of faith" or else you are no longer interested in the "details". At first from your question above - it made it appear you were interested in the actual details of section 19 of that document.

Misleading??

Why else add that false accusation at the end of your post??

Hello Bob.

I read section nineteen of the Baptist Confession (London).

Section 19
6 Although true believers be not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty.

Did you read the first line Bob?

You cannot be justified or condemned by the law as a Christian.

Even if you disobey the Sabbath law, you cannot be condemned by God. Your do not agree with this Baptist confession. The SDA drew the line in the sand, a Sabbath line, anyone who worships on Sunday, bears the mark of the beast. What could be more condemning than bearing the mark of the beast?

You preach a covenant of works, you preach that the ten commandments must be obeyed. Your salvation is bound by your obedience to the ten commandments.

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

You made the following statements.

Your saying Bob, that obedience to the law will not justify you before God.
The law carries no weight in any determination of salvation (justification) by God.
We can only be justified by faith through Grace.

These Baptists are Calvinists, nearly everything you believe is contrary to what they believe.

You cannot be justified by any law, Sabbath or otherwise.

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!

Are you justified as a free gift by Christ or are you justified by obedience to the law?

Is the gift a free gift of justification, or is the gift actually based on obedience to the law?

Well Bob, how about advertising which Baptist confession supports your theology. Instead of misleading people reading your posts.

False accusation "again"??

Why keep doing that?

You appear to have not read section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of faith" or else you are no longer interested in the "details". At first from your question above - it made it appear you were interested in the actual details of section 19 of that document.

Misleading??

Why else add that false accusation at the end of your post??

Hello Bob.

I read section nineteen of the Baptist Confession (London).

Section 19
6 Although true believers be not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty.

Did you read the first line Bob?

Outstanding. Let's go ahead and quote section 19 for everyone so they can see how it is that part 6 of section 19 actually comes about.

Here is C.H. Spurgeon's "Calvinist" rendition in the 1800's.

As modified by C.H. Spurgeon http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm#part19

. The Law of God - Baptist Confession of Faith: Section 19

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.


2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the Ten Commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.


3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.


4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.


5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.


6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.


7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello Bob.

I read section nineteen of the Baptist Confession (London).

Section 19
6 Although true believers be not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, in that as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty.

Did you read the first line Bob?

You cannot be justified or condemned by the law as a Christian.

Even if you disobey the Sabbath law, you cannot be condemned by God. Your do not agree with this Baptist confession. The SDA drew the line in the sand, a Sabbath line, anyone who worships on Sunday, bears the mark of the beast. What could be more condemning than bearing the mark of the beast?

You preach a covenant of works, you preach that the ten commandments must be obeyed. Your salvation is bound by your obedience to the ten commandments.

But, Adventists are not Jews who believe the law saves them, David. They are believers in Christ for salvation, but keep the Commandments out of love for Christ. That is the difference.

Don't condemn them as if they are not Christians. They are foremost Christians - believers in Christ through faith, who love God by obeying His laws. The only difference is their keeping the letter of the law, as opposed to the Spirit of the law.

By my trust in God everyday, I spiritually keep the Sabbath everyday. They keep the Sabbath in the same way, but add the letter as well, which is not needed, but is not a sin.

Therefore, don't do to them what you feel they are doing to us. Condemnation. Let us love one another.

 

[BobRyan]

You cannot be justified or condemned by the law as a Christian.

Even if you disobey the Sabbath law, you cannot be condemned by God.

You have free will and are free to speculation that taking God's name in vain or breaking any of the other Commandments of God does not bring you into condemnation before God.

I on the other hand will stick with the Bible on this point.

As already noted here - ======================

Romans 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation


1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.


Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

[BobRyan]

Well, I'm pretty crippled and retired, and live very frugally on SS. My "job" is teaching on here, and writing my books. But there is a spiritual application to the Sabbath that is in our New Covenant, not in the oldness of the letter - physical work, but in the Spirit - trusting in God. That's what I can't get through to you.

Those who are retired are free to contact vendors, do business, pay bills, take care of secular matters on work days - just like everyone else. I think we would agree to that.

 

[klutedavid]

Hello Bob.

Is there anything that we agree on?

You have free will and are free to speculation that taking God's name in vain or breaking any of the other Commandments of God does not bring you into condemnation before God.

You just stated that breaking the law brings condemnation.

The Baptist confession states that the law does not bring condemnation.

Paul states that there is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus.

Bob Ryan is the only one that states that breaking the law condemns.

I on the other hand will stick with the Bible on this point.

You will stick with the carefully chosen verses that support your interpretation and ignore the rest.

You have free will

You cannot make that statement and refer to the Baptist confession of Faith (London).

By the way, your link to the Baptist confession does not work.

 

[klutedavid]

But, Adventists are not Jews who believe the law saves them, David. They are believers in Christ for salvation, but keep the Commandments out of love for Christ. That is the difference.

Don't condemn them as if they are not Christians. They are foremost Christians - believers in Christ through faith, who love God by obeying His laws. The only difference is their keeping the letter of the law, as opposed to the Spirit of the law.

By my trust in God everyday, I spiritually keep the Sabbath everyday. They keep the Sabbath in the same way, but add the letter as well, which is not needed, but is not a sin.

Therefore, don't do to them what you feel they are doing to us. Condemnation. Let us love one another.

Hello 1stcenturylady.

They condemn the entire Christian world.

They believe that anyone who goes to church on Sunday bears the mark of the beast.

They believe that they are under the letter of the law, then they are under a curse.

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse.

 

[bugkiller]

1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.

But one can certainly become unjustified by the law as you promote. Therefore one can be justified by the law. This however is not the righteousness required by God.

NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!

My take on the above is you must be saying some here are taking God's name in vain.

2. Baptists are not "Calvinists" - some are ... some are not. Big division there for them (you might be thinking of Presbyterians) - but C.H. Spurgeon was Calvinist and it is his edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith that we are quoting. It is in section 19 that he does not differ with the Adventist POV. And that is the one on the LAW of God - the Moral LAW of God - including the TEN Commandments according to his text.

Was CH Spurgeon known as a sabbatarian?

3. Romans describes TWO contexts for the term "justification"
3.a. "Having BEEN justified by faith we have peace with God' Romans 5:!. -- "We are justified by FAITH APART from the WORKS of the LAW" . All refer to justification "past" which is how a lost person BECOMES a born-again saint.

3.b "It is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified...on the day when according to my Gospel - God will judge" Rom 2:13-16. This is future justification and has to do with the Matt 7 teaching of Christ "by their fruit you shall know them". The good tree does not "Become good" when someone looks at finds that it has good fruit. Rather it had to already be a good tree to have good fruit. The act of judging it did not change it in any way.

But there are no doers of the law according to both testaments of the Bible.

It does not mean that at all -as the Bible points out. you are welcomed to that speculation of course.. since you have free will.

Romans 2
3 But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation

So when are you going to disconnect from the grid for the sabbath?

bugkiller

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello 1stcenturylady.

They condemn the entire Christian world.

They believe that anyone who goes to church on Sunday bears the mark of the beast.

They believe that they are under the letter of the law, then they are under a curse.

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse.

That doesn't mean you can do the same to them. Love your brothers and sisters in the Lord.

 

[klutedavid]

That doesn't mean you can do the same to them. Love your brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Hello 1stcenturylady.

I am not doing the same to them, they have sentenced me to eternal hell fire, for going to church on Sunday. I never said that they have the mark of the beast.

Do you follow church tradition?

 

[Bob S]

That doesn't mean you can do the same to them. Love your brothers and sisters in the Lord.

Hold the phone Lady. There is a marked difference between loving our Adventist brothers and sisters and loving their doctrines. I rubbed elbows with SDAs for forty years.. I love them dearly. They are some of the most faithful people on Earth. I would and have trusted them with my life. Spiritually wise they are completely off base and as David writes are very accusing of other Christians too the point of the following: It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}
But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4} Both from the "inspired" writings of Ellen White.

The one who wrote that is their prophet and the prophet is revered. Some of them revere her so much they believe her writings should be included in cannon.

We have already concluded that observing old covenant rituals was not for Israel's salvation, yet that woman, supposedly God's mouthpiece, couldn't figure that out. Her lies are being found out by the members and the sheep are leaving quietly, or even if they stay because of bond thy have with each other they do so in unbelief.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Hello 1stcenturylady.

I am not doing the same to them, they have sentenced me to eternal hell fire, for going to church on Sunday. I never said that they have the mark of the beast.

Do you follow church tradition?

Church tradition? What, like Catholics about Mary? What exactly do you mean?