Why are you arguing about it? Is your point that, the christian is supposed to keep the sabbath simply because they don't murder?
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The Seventh Day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10
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That's how I see it. Otherwise, why not just leave it as Sabbath to Sabbath. Why add month to month?
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So should we stone people to death for working [e.g. gathering sticks] on god's holy day. Numbers 15:32
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We should not stone them for taking God's name in vain, or for not honoring their parents...so we also should not stone them for breaking the Sabbath. Because as the Baptist Confession of Faith points out and the Westminster Confession of Faith points out - the civil laws under the OT theocracy ended when that theocracy ended.
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Because two distinct appointed times of worship will be kept. New Moon, and Sabbath. How else would you say "keep New Moon and Sabbath -- both"??
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But they didn't worship on the new moon. It was just a marking of the new month. Show me where they worshiped on the new moon, and why we still don't worship on the new moon if we will in the future.
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Isaiah 66:23 says they will in the New Earth. Can't change the text.
You are sticking your own question mark into the text. The text says they will come before God to worship on the New Moons in the New Earth.
The 7th day Sabbath is a celebration memorial of literal creation week - on the 7th day.
There will be a "NEW Earth" as we are told in Rev 21. Perhaps there is month-long process there that will be memorialized as well.
In either case - God said it. That is enough for me. AND it points to an eternity after the cross for all the saints - having worship on the Sabbath and on the New Moon.
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Hello Bob.
Yes I have read section nineteen of the Baptist Confession of Faith.
The Baptist Confession Of Faith
Chapter 19: Of the Law of God
6 The promises of it likewise shew them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, though not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works; so as man's doing good and refraining from evil, because the law encourageth to the one and deterreth from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law and not under grace.
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The "IT" in section 19 refers to what that section calls "the moral law of God" and "the TEN Commandments" Point number 6 in section 19 says that "IT" (The Ten Commandments, the MORAL Law of God" is not a "covenant of works". So that obedience to God's Law is not a claim to earn our salvation via works.
Both sides again - agree on that point. In fact pretty much all of section 19 is agreed by both the pro-Bible Sabbath side of the debate - and the Sunday scholars. As I have stated numerous times.
The odd notion that "if you keep the commandment to not take God's name in vain well that is compatible with grace but if you keep God's Bible Sabbath commandment also then that is incompatible with grace" -- is not at all a view that I agree with.
Both sides again - agree on that point. In fact pretty much all of section 19 is agreed by both the pro-Bible Sabbath side of the debate - and the Sunday scholars. As I have stated numerous times.
The odd notion that "if you keep the commandment to not take God's name in vain well that is compatible with grace but if you keep God's Bible Sabbath commandment also then that is incompatible with grace" -- is not at all a view that I agree with.
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Hello Bob.
You made the following statements.
The law carries no weight in any determination of salvation (justification) by God.
We can only be justified by faith through Grace.
You made the following statements.
Your saying Bob, that obedience to the law will not justify you before God.
The law carries no weight in any determination of salvation (justification) by God.
We can only be justified by faith through Grace.
These Baptists are Calvinists, nearly everything you believe is contrary to what they believe.
You cannot be justified by any law, Sabbath or otherwise.
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1. You cannot be justified by law - for example by not taking God's name in vain... but that does not mean that it is not a sin for you to take God's name in vain. (obviously). No diff with the 4th Commandment either in that regard.
NEITHER does God say "please as a Christian continue to take My name in vain that will show how much you appreciate My Gospel". In fact that is not the Gospel at aLL!
2. Baptists are not "Calvinists" - some are ... some are not. Big division there for them (you might be thinking of Presbyterians) - but C.H. Spurgeon was Calvinist and it is his edit of the Baptist Confession of Faith that we are quoting. It is in section 19 that he does not differ with the Adventist POV. And that is the one on the LAW of God - the Moral LAW of God - including the TEN Commandments according to his text.
3. Romans describes TWO contexts for the term "justification"
3.a. "Having BEEN justified by faith we have peace with God' Romans 5:!. -- "We are justified by FAITH APART from the WORKS of the LAW" . All refer to justification "past" which is how a lost person BECOMES a born-again saint.
3.b "It is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW will be justified...on the day when according to my Gospel - God will judge" Rom 2:13-16. This is future justification and has to do with the Matt 7 teaching of Christ "by their fruit you shall know them". The good tree does not "Become good" when someone looks at finds that it has good fruit. Rather it had to already be a good tree to have good fruit. The act of judging it did not change it in any way.
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Hello Bob.
Thanks for the reply.
You can't have a bet on each outcome, Bob. Either you are justified by obedience to the law or you are not justified by obedience to the law.
Is the gift a free gift of justification, or is the gift actually based on obedience to the law?
Thanks for the reply.
If you cannot be justified by the law, then that means, obedience or disobedience to the law will not effect that justification. Your trying to say that you are not justified by the law, but you are justified by the law, because disobedience to the law is sin.
You can't have a bet on each outcome, Bob. Either you are justified by obedience to the law or you are not justified by obedience to the law.
Are you justified as a free gift by Christ or are you justified by obedience to the law?
Is the gift a free gift of justification, or is the gift actually based on obedience to the law?
Well Bob, how about advertising which Baptist confession supports your theology. Instead of misleading people reading your posts.
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You said:
"Exegesis matters.
Context matters.
Bible details matter."
Authors matter. I agree with 1 John 3:4, but you are quoting John again and he has already told us what the commandments are. He wasn't referring to the Ten Commandments which includes the Sabbath, he said 1 John 3:23. You quoted from 1 John 3; now read it in CONTEXT.
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