The Eternality of Hell

[SarahsKnight]

So then, perhaps a little truth sneaks through - someone , some religion, sadly and wrongly and in error drove you from seeking the TRUTH into
seeking something "better" than the TRUTH?

What is better than the TRUTH, what "theology" or "religion" is it that you have found ?

Surely you realize that when you talk like this to people who disagree with you, all you are really saying is: "MY position is the truth, no doubt, and if you try to argue against it, then you go against God." It's so obvious a tactic to just shut down the other side in a theological debate using God as a threat, it's not even funny.

 

[mmksparbud]

If Hell were temporary, why then would the rich man speak of an unending torment IF he were "just dead and obliterated"?

That's a parable-----

Any one who has truley come to know God..actually has a higher reverence and fear of him then they did before they knew him.
Love is not excused due to fear .
When you come to know how pure righteous and Holy God is.. And that he will not tolerate any form of continued sinfulness..that fear will drive you to true Godly repentance.

It is a fearfull thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
You will realize this is THE ONE who can throw you in hell fire and forget you
And is already justified in doing so and would be acting in righteousness to do so...

We would be fools to not fear him .

1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect
in love.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God wants obedience out of love, not out of fear. The fearful end up in hell, the 2nd death.

 

[Swan7]

I believe in the punishment, but not the eternal punishment.

Why? Punishment means to punish a child and correct his/her behaviour. Where is the punishment in Hell eternal?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Surely you realize that when you talk like this to people who disagree with you, all you are really saying is: "MY position is the truth, no doubt, and if you try to argue against it, then you go against God." It's so obvious a tactic to just shut down the other side in a theological debate using God as a threat, it's not even funny.

Not at all.

Read the site rules (I did, and checked them several times)
and the SOF (Statement of Faith).

And so forth - what you are doing is going against the statements of faith of the churches on this site, not my opinion.
Same with that other one - I don't know if you said you have your own theology or not, but I did ask if you do. HE stated several times that he does have his own theology, and several of us have asked him about it.

YOu can believe whatever you want and post here, as long as you don't break the site rules,
but that doesn't mean you have the same beliefs or the same faith as the churches defined on this site. (as I guess you don't, though I don't have any idea and don't know if you even posted for or against
or if you posted anything in line with Scripture or against Scripture,
at this point)

 

[Swan7]

That's a parable-----

So there's no truth in parables?

 

[Wolfe]

Why? Punishment means to punish a child and correct his/her behaviour. Where is the punishment in Hell eternal?

Ehh I dunno what you're trying to ask me.

 

[mmksparbud]

So there's no truth in parables?

Is the parable of the sower about agriculture? Is there really any camel that will try to go through the eye of a needle?

 

[Swan7]

Is the parable of the sower about agriculture? Is there really any camel that will try to go through the eye of a needle?

Disciples: Matthew 13:10
Jesus: Matthew 13:11

 

[Swan7]

Ehh I dunno what you're trying to ask me.

I'm trying to understand why you think Hell is a punishment, is all.

 

[Wolfe]

I'm trying to understand why you think Hell is a punishment, is all.

I wouldn't think I would have to explain it?

You'd have to be an utter [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] to not think of it as a punishment, I mean, burning up doesn't sound all that fun to me.

 

[Swan7]

I wouldn't think I would have to explain it?

You'd have to be an utter [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] to not think of it as a punishment, I mean, burning up doesn't sound all that fun to me.

Well, here I am asking.

So, I ask again. What is your definition of punishment? Why do you think that Hell is a place of punishment? Doesn't God hand those over to their sinful nature? Romans 1:18-25 How is Hell any different? That is not a punishment as punishment means to correct a behaviour. This is why I cannot believe that Hell is punishment, it doesn't fit with what God says - as His Word.

 

[Wolfe]

Well, here I am asking.

So, I ask again. What is your definition of punishment? Why do you think that Hell is a place of punishment? Doesn't God hand those over to their sinful nature? Romans 1:18-25 How is Hell any different? That is not a punishment as punishment means to correct a behaviour. This is why I cannot believe that Hell is punishment, it doesn't fit with what God says - as His Word.

Revelation 20:10

Matthew 25:41

Ezekiel 32:27

Matthew 5:29

2 Thessalonians 1:9

Jude 1:7
Nah you're right, certainly doesn't seem like a punishment

 

[Wolfe]

Revelation 20:10

Matthew 25:41

Ezekiel 32:27

Matthew 5:29

2 Thessalonians 1:9

Jude 1:7
Nah you're right, certainly doesn't seem like a punishment

Unless, perhaps, you're trying to catch me in a trap.
Or testing my metal.

Either way, Hell is a punishment.

 

[Swan7]

Revelation 20:10

Matthew 25:41

Ezekiel 32:27

Matthew 5:29

2 Thessalonians 1:9

Jude 1:7
Nah you're right, certainly doesn't seem like a punishment

You actually just proved my point. And I didn't need to name-call or shout.

Over and out.

 

[Wolfe]

You actually just proved my point. And I didn't need to name-call or shout.

Over and out.

But I don't understand your point?

 

[Wolfe]

You actually just proved my point. And I didn't need to name-call or shout.

Over and out.

Honestly, what's your point?
If you think it's obvious, I'm sorry but it's not.

 

[Swan7]

Honestly, what's your point?
If you think it's obvious, I'm sorry but it's not.

It could be that we actually do in fact agree with one another, just our definitions are different. I honestly cannot help you see what I'm saying, ask God what I mean that I have already explained. You can't go wrong with Him. I pray your journey will be fruitful!

 

[Wolfe]

It could be that we actually do in fact agree with one another, just our definitions are different. I honestly cannot help you see what I'm saying, ask God what I mean that I have already explained. You can't go wrong with Him. I pray your journey will be fruitful!

You confuse me dear swan...

But alright

 

[Swan7]

You confuse me dear swan...

But alright

I'm very sorry, but that is really not my intent. Please forgive me.

 

[aiki]

Hell, actually the Lake of Fire, is eternal punishment; conscious punishment.
The human nature (1Co 2:14) has a hard time accepting the concept at times, especially when they do not accept God's Word on the matter.
Why have people suffer forever? Why not just annihilate them after they are cast into The Lake of Fire? Someone once gave this answer:
"Infraction against infinite righteousness deserves infinite punishment."
Sounds like a good answer. Of course people can still reject it using human reasoning.
What do you think?

I've made this observation many times in my discussions with annihilationists.

It is also interesting to ponder the problem of an imperfect being trying to perfectly atone for their sins which is what every unrepentant sinner in hell who has rejected Christ's perfect atonement is left to do. It seems to me that it would be a necessarily unending effort. Imperfection cannot produce perfection any more than nothing can produce something. No amount of punishment exacted upon an imperfect object can produce a perfect atonement. The eternality of hell, then, may have more to do with the nature of the punished than it does with the character of their sin. It was because of our sin Jesus died, yes, but this was because we imperfect creatures could not ever pay the penalty of our sin ourselves.

Selah.