The Eternality of Hell

[Colter]

What is your specific Scripture to back this up? I do agree that Jesus would never torture...
This is a fallacy of thinking, that God or Jesus is torturing someone in hell, or blaming God for the eternal suffering. It is not God's fault or desire. It is man and Satan that are to blame, and deserve this, and because of that, in this life are twisting these concepts around to shift the blame from them who deserve it, to God who doesn't.

That's poor excuse making, pretending that in Gods creation there is a hell place that he has nothing to do with. Satan had been a loyal celestial being, he rebelled, he wasn't stoped. All things were created by God.

It is a sick individual who thinks a human deserves to be burned for an eternity. In fact, such a human invented the idea of hell and hopes others go there.

 

[Colter]

Sorry, but "perish" in Jn 3:16 is referring to them not fulfilling the original purpose of God for them in having eternal fellowship with Him, but of being separted from Him in a Lake of Fire forever.

That's wishful thinking on your part, and of coarse you aren't going to the fictitious lake if fire, it's others.

 

[SarahsKnight]

That's not the question.

However, do you have your "own theology" that no one else shares also, like the one I asked says he has ?

Really? Nice try. You quoted @Colter 's post saying he did not believe Jesus would torture anyone forever, but rather taught life or death as the choices. And below that quote you asked Colter if said Jesus is the one of His own theological making instead of the one who "will do as the Bible says". How then is it that the question was not whether Jesus will be doing the torturing or not? With you in favor of the former?

 

[Colter]

The Bible says that Jesus will do the torturing? Really? I have somehow missed that all these years after coming to believe and reading the Bible and listening to sermons that include recitation of verses and often denoting said verses' location. One would think by now I would have long heard (and several times) the verse or passage that says or at least strongly hints that my Savior who loved me enough to die for me will also at the same time hate His enemies strongly enough to torture them forever. Interesting .... Guess i was just too naive to see it right there in front of me all these years.

I agree, if one sadly knowingly rejected life and never awakes from the sleep of death, we are sad for our erring brother, but an infinite deity that would burn a finite child would be fundamentally evil. No such monster exists. God is

 

[Greg Merrill]

That's poor excuse making, pretending that in Gods creation there is a hell place that he has nothing to do with. Satan had been a loyal celestial being, he rebelled, he wasn't stoped. All things were created by God.

It is a sick individual who thinks a human deserves to be burned for an eternity. In fact, such a human invented the idea of hell and hopes others go there.

Obviously you don't get your ideas from the Bible, but from some other source. That is not a put down, just an observation. You have the freedom to believe whatever, or whoever you want. If your sources are you and other men, you will be always limited in your understanding of things, and misunderstand much. Again that is not a put down, but I think a true evaluation. No hard feelings.
Wishing you well in your discoveries through this life.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How then is it that the question was not whether Jesus will be doing the torturing or not?

So you do then have "your own theology" that no one else has ?
As the other poster has repeated** of himself in his own posts several times,
and with that has posted many things contrary to the BIBLE directly.

Is that also your position ?

** He posted his own theology , and never once (or rarely or sometimes? as I have not read all his posts, and probably won't) showed anything of his own theology in line with SCRIPTURE.

I also don't intend to search your posts to see if you have declared "your own theology" like he has .

 

[Greg Merrill]

It is given to us to know the ways of God, that is why the Bible exists. We can know who is going to Heaven or Hell if they answer a few of the right questions and we compared the answers to 1John 5:12,13. "Living live over" is the false teaching of Hinduism, not the true teaching of Christianity.

Thanks for the winner award.

 

[Wolfe]

I agree, if one sadly knowingly rejected life and never awakes from the sleep of death, we are sad for our erring brother, but an infinite deity that would burn a finite child would be fundamentally evil. No such monster exists. God is

Certainly an odd beast aren't you colter?

As I share the view that Hell is not eternal, but I do not share your view that no Hell exist.
I believe that Hell exist, and if you don't choose Christ in this life, you go to Hell.
But I do not believe Hell is the final frontier for the unbeliever, I believe there is still hope, should the unbeliever really and truly want to go to heaven with God.
I believe that people need to be punished, if you don't already have your forgiveness.

But you don't seem to believe in any Hell whatsoever?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I believe there is still hope, should the unbeliever really and truly want to go to heaven with God.

Did you realize this is contrary to Anabaptists and all other Christian churches ?

 

[Wolfe]

Did you realize this is contrary to Anabaptists and all other Christian churches ?

Does that matter to me?

 

[IAMABELIEVER1979]

Hell, actually the Lake of Fire, is eternal punishment; conscious punishment.
The human nature (1Co 2:14) has a hard time accepting the concept at times, especially when they do not accept God's Word on the matter.
Why have people suffer forever? Why not just annihilate them after they are cast into The Lake of Fire? Someone once gave this answer:
"Infraction against infinite righteousness deserves infinite punishment."
Sounds like a good answer. Of course people can still reject it using human reasoning.
What do you think?

What do I think?

I think that hell is an actual place for eternal torment. I do not understand why God does this, but I am human and I don't understand everything about God. It does seem kinda nasty and mean and cruel.

But who am I to question God? I am human and God is the creator of the universe. It's not up to me to understand God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Does that matter to me?

Who knows?!

But you wrongly (deceptively or unknowingly) took the Anabaptist identification then, and maybe even the "Christian" identification on this site.

 

[IAMABELIEVER1979]

What do I think?

I think that hell is an actual place for eternal torment. I do not understand why God does this, but I am human and I don't understand everything about God. It does seem kinda nasty and mean and cruel.

But who am I to question God? I am human and God is the creator of the universe. It's not up to me to understand God.

Also, when God created hell, I am sure he knew that human beings are going to think that he is a nasty God.

I don't think he cares.

 

[Colter]

Certainly an odd beast aren't you colter?

As I share the view that Hell is not eternal, but I do not share your view that no Hell exist.
I believe that Hell exist, and if you don't choose Christ in this life, you go to Hell.
But I do not believe Hell is the final frontier for the unbeliever, I believe there is still hope, should the unbeliever really and truly want to go to heaven with God.
I believe that people need to be punished, if you don't already have your forgiveness.

But you don't seem to believe in any Hell whatsoever?

Jesus attracted believers to the goodness and love of God, not threats of Hell torture. He was a positive teacher revealing the divine character of a Heavenly Father. The "good news" that we are all actually children of God was like water on parched earth to those who lived in fear of a national God, the yoke of evolved religion.

The accusation that either Jesus or his Father, who even hoped Lucifer would repent, have some sick fire torture is an utter absurdity! It's a blight in religion that is so backward and barbaric that it actually turns off people from hearing of the beauty of the true Heavenly Father.

There is the gift of life and the potential of eternity, and the sadness of rejection, death.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

who even hoped Lucifer would repent,

Wrong again.
Directly contrary to YHWH'S WORD, CHARACTER, and PLAN.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's a blight in religion that is so backward and barbaric that it actually turns off people from hearing of the beauty of the true Heavenly Father.

So then, perhaps a little truth sneaks through - someone , some religion, sadly and wrongly and in error drove you from seeking the TRUTH into
seeking something "better" than the TRUTH?

What is better than the TRUTH, what "theology" or "religion" is it that you have found ?

 

[Wolfe]

Who knows?!

But you wrongly (deceptively or unknowingly) took the Anabaptist identification then, and maybe even the "Christian" identification on this site.

I'm certainly a Christian, but the idea of an all loving God allowing his beloved creation to suffer for an eternity doesn't add up.
I believe in the punishment, but not the eternal punishment.

 

[SarahsKnight]

So you do then have "your own theology" that no one else has ?
As the other poster has repeated** of himself in his own posts several times,
and with that has posted many things contrary to the BIBLE directly.



** He posted his own theology , and never once (or rarely or sometimes? as I have not read all his posts, and probably won't) showed anything of his own theology in line with SCRIPTURE.

I also don't intend to search your posts to see if you have declared "your own theology" like he has .

I have seen your posts in the politics and theology sections before. It is no surprise to me that, after making the wild accusation that someone you disagree with has made up his own theology so that you appear to be the only one in the arena standing for Godly truth through both subtle and blatant slander, that you then dodge the question on how your post makes any sense in the context of the discussion, and instead simply double down on the initial accusation that other people are making up their own Jesus than you.

And to answer your question of it is my position or not, that I have my own theology about Jesus - at least one that is deliberately made up on my part in conscious, knowing contrast to the Bible: No. No I do not have that position. I suppose, however, that if you disagree with my position that Scripture does not at all adequately support the position of eternal torment, then in your eyes I AM putting forth my own theology about Jesus and what the Bible says He will do with unbelievers, and I cannot change your mind about that for you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm certainly a Christian, but the idea of an all loving God allowing his beloved creation to suffer for an eternity doesn't add up.
I believe in the punishment, but not the eternal punishment.

Perhaps not a problem then.
This was from a previous post:

But I do not believe Hell is the final frontier for the unbeliever, I believe there is still hope

The idea that anyone can repent after they die, or come to Jesus, or be saved,
after they die
is totally contrary to every Christian Church Belief and Doctrine,
and moreso likewise totally contrary to GOD'S WORD and PLAN and PURPOSE of SALVATION IN JESUS.

A lot of Christians do not believe in eternal unending torment, so no worries there.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

with has made up his own theology

He posted that he has his own theology. (several times)
So far no one else agrees with his own theology.

Do you ? (agree with his own theology, or your own theology apart from all the Christian Churches on this site ? )