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Can you be a Christian and reject certain parts of the Bible?

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inspiration in this context refers to God putting His Words in those who wrote Scripture. read all 3 passages I gave you.

no one worships the bible. that's a canard. We worship the True and Living God who Inspired His apostles and Prophets to pen His Word.

My observations, and often times problems with evangelicalism, is that they do end up very much worshiping the bible, and treat it almost as a deity of its own.
 
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My observations, and often times problems with evangelicalism, is that they do end up very much worshiping the bible, and treat it almost as a deity of its own.

If the Bible is the word of God then how would you treat it?
 
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My observations, and often times problems with evangelicalism, is that they do end up very much worshiping the bible, and treat it almost as a deity of its own.
Can't speak for those who participate in error.
 
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Can you be a Christian and only believe some parts of the Bible? For example, can you reject a global Noah's Flood, a six-day creation, a literal exodus, etc.? Could you reject other parts as well, like Christ walking on water? Discuss.


If you reject the creation account, the exodus and Noah's flood then based upon the idea that they are too absurd to be true how then can you accept Messiah's death and Ressurection along with the virgin birth?

The Bible is an ALL or nothing proposition. It's either ALL true or basically, none of it can be counted on as divine.

If I can not count on the witness accounts of Messiah walking on water, how then can I count on anything they say regarding him? Indeed, how can I even know if he was a real person at all?

We KNOW that the 6-day creation account, in fact, CAN be true. For one thing, the account is told from G-d's perspective. We also know that from our point in space the universe is ~15 billion years old. This seems to blow holes in the bible's account completely. And for many uninformed people, this is problematic. However, we also know that there are many places in space where the observed age of the universe is NOT 15 billion years old.

As Einstien proved, TIME IS RELATIVE. As you approach the speed of light, time slows. At the speed of light time=0

There are fossils on Mt Everest which prove that at some point in earth's history, Everest was under sea water.

Recent discoveries in Egypt show that a large Semitic (Israelites) were in the land of Goshen. Archeologist reject this as being proof that the Israelites were in Egypt because it is supposed "too early" (off by about 200 years)

My point is that there is evidence that corroborates much of what is in the bible.

Arguably the field of cosmology has more support for the biblical creation than any other scientific field. The several of finely tuned constraints of the universe are so minutely precise that cosmology contends that they can not be mere coincidence. On of them is 10 to the -120th power. That's a 10 with 120 zero's following it. That's a number so big that the mind can't really concieve of it. That .0(120 zeros) 1 meaning that if it was off by just .0(119 zeros) 1 the universe we live in could not exist and there are SEVERAL finely tuned constants. Worse yet, all of the theories to get around this problem have been met with utter failure. String theory has massive problems, the multiverse concept is even more problematic.

The only model that currently exists that doesn't collapse is the Standard model. Which simply states that the Universe had a beginning.

50 years ago the generally accepted theory of the universe was that it was eternal. The discovery of the echo of the big bang changed that view.

We can conclusively say that Science and the Bible are in 100% agreement with the first 3 words of the Bible. IN THE BEGINNING. Science has yet to catch up to the rest of that sentence...
 
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No, the Bible is very clear. Jesus Christ is the Word of God, not any book.

When we give the Bible magical properties, like infallibility, we engage in Idolatry, not Christian worship.

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Wrong. If the bible is fallible, then I can not trust it to be truth. If it is fallible then I can not trust the accounts in it. Meaning, I can not trust that Messiah was born of a virgin. Nor can I trust that Messiah was raised from the dead. Nor can I trust his appearances to the 500 or the Apostles account that he ascended into heaven.
 
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Can you be a Christian and only believe some parts of the Bible? For example, can you reject a global Noah's Flood, a six-day creation, a literal exodus, etc.? Could you reject other parts as well, like Christ walking on water? Discuss.

Some parts of Pauls letters to the churches fail to treat all people
as one would like to have been treated themselves.

As to other historical events, history is always a matter of faith.
 
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Some parts of Pauls letters to the churches fail to treat all people
as one would like to have been treated themselves.


As to other historical events, history is always a matter of faith.

Could you show some examples of this?
 
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Could you show some examples of this?

1 Corinthians 11:3-10
1 Corinthians 14:33-35
1 Timothy 5:10
Titus 2:3-5

If mention of gender is present, then that is not treating
people as you would have them treat you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.
 
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1 Corinthians 11:3-10
1 Corinthians 14:33-35
1 Timothy 5:10
Titus 2:3-5

If mention of gender is present, then that is not treating
people as you would have them treat you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

I see no problem with the 3rd and 4th examples in this regard.
As for the first two, I think it's important to note the culture of that time and location regarding the role played by men and women. Even in America, the woman's place used to be in the home raising the children, while the man's place was in the workplace providing for his family. Now the man and woman are both in the workplace and the children's place is in a daycare center, assuming they weren't aborted due to the fact that man and woman both have to work to pay the mortgage and don't have time for the children.
 
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Can you be a Christian and only believe some parts of the Bible? For example, can you reject a global Noah's Flood, a six-day creation, a literal exodus, etc.? Could you reject other parts as well, like Christ walking on water? Discuss.
On the basis of one scripture, Psalm 9:1 "I will tell all of Your wonders." I can not leave any of them out, or in someway attempt to change the meaning of what the scriptures truthfully and faithfully report has/d happened.

The word translated "wonders" is found to mean "that which is considered above or beyond the normal witness of life."

In my witness of life, I've not seen such outstanding things, but far be it for me to deny that they ever happened, just because I wasn't there. But I trust the witness of those that were there.

Peter believes that there had been a flood. None of those in the New Testament ever contradicted the ancient wonders of God.

As for Jesus walking on water, Peter was there, tried to walk on water himself. So I am as far away in time from him as he was in comparison to what is reported to have happened in the Old Testament.

Neither will I yield to the disbelief and perhaps mockery of those who have no confidence in the inspired record of God's word.
 
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I see no problem with the 3rd and 4th examples in this regard.
As for the first two, I think it's important to note the culture of that time and location regarding the role played by men and women. Even in America, the woman's place used to be in the home raising the children, while the man's place was in the workplace providing for his family. Now the man and woman are both in the workplace and the children's place is in a daycare center, assuming they weren't aborted due to the fact that man and woman both have to work to pay the mortgage and don't have time for the children.

Any advice that does not apply to the speaker violates the golden rule.
 
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Of course we can believe or come up with all sorts of things, but when it comes right down to it, we should believe ALL of The Bible. I do not believe God wills for his true believers to deny one bit of it. His words are true from beginning to end. I will explain in further detail.

First of all, the Bible tells us that God cannot lie.

Titus 1:2 (KJV)
"In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"

Hebrews 6:18 (KJV)
"That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:"

So since God cannot lie, what does this mean? Well, not much at all... Unless you understand and believe that God inspired the very words of scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

I will not go very far into this issue, since it can easily become an entire discussion on its own. But The Bible is God's word, regardless of whether or not men worked to write it down. Just like all prophets, they spoke (or wrote down in this case) exactly what God wanted them to.

Psalm 119:160
"Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever."

But regardless, this does not mean that everything in the Bible is literal. I do believe that the flood and many other events of the Bible are clearly literal, while a few others are not. For example, many of the events mentioned in Revelation are not meant to be taken literally. It depends what you mean by your question. Believing that the Bible has flaws, or that anything is untrue that the Bible teaches as fact is wrong, and no, we shouldn't approach God's word in such a way.

But believing that something may be spiritual rather than literal, that must be debated or researched per issue.
 
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Wrong. If the bible is fallible, then I can not trust it to be truth. If it is fallible then I can not trust the accounts in it. Meaning, I can not trust that Messiah was born of a virgin. Nor can I trust that Messiah was raised from the dead. Nor can I trust his appearances to the 500 or the Apostles account that he ascended into heaven.

We are not called to trust the "truth" but rather to trust God. We need to be careful that our faith is NOT dependent on the Bible rather fully on Jesus Christ.

If the Bible were proved wrong, our faith in, and our experience of Jesus Christ should be totally unaffected.
 
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Wrong. If the bible is fallible, then I can not trust it to be truth. If it is fallible then I can not trust the accounts in it. Meaning, I can not trust that Messiah was born of a virgin. Nor can I trust that Messiah was raised from the dead. Nor can I trust his appearances to the 500 or the Apostles account that he ascended into heaven.

That's true if your faith in in a book rather than in God. Trust only in Jesus Christ, not any translation of any book. Trust only in Christ.

If one has no knowledge of Christ except for the Bible, my suggestion for future meditation, prayer, and growth would be to develop that kind of personal relationship with Jesus, not with any book.
 
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Any advice that does not apply to the speaker violates the golden rule.

Sometimes it's not about what a person wants. Often, there's a factor of authority to figure in. If a supervisor at your job tells you to do something, it doesn't always apply to himself as well. He's an authority figure over you. Same with Paul, who was an authority figure over the church he was writing to.
 
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That's true if your faith in in a book rather than in God. Trust only in Jesus Christ, not any translation of any book. Trust only in Christ.

If one has no knowledge of Christ except for the Bible, my suggestion for future meditation, prayer, and growth would be to develop that kind of personal relationship with Jesus, not with any book.

In the beginning was the WORD (Torah) and the word (Torah) was with G-d and was G-d.

You wallow in relativism. The WORD is what we base EVERYTHING off of. If it can not be trusted then G-d is not whom he declares himself to be. PERIOD
 
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In the beginning was the WORD (Torah) and the word (Torah) was with G-d and was G-d.

You wallow in relativism. The WORD is what we base EVERYTHING off of. If it can not be trusted then G-d is not whom he declares himself to be. PERIOD

I have an Off-Topic question: Why does the word "God" appear so many times as "G-d"? I've seen this so many times in so many places; not just this forum. What's the reason for that happening?
 
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Some parts of Pauls letters to the churches fail to treat all people
as one would like to have been treated themselves.

As to other historical events, history is always a matter of faith.

How one wants to treat all people as you suggest is OFTEN contrary to the thinking of the Father.
 
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I have an Off-Topic question: Why does the word "God" appear so many times as "G-d"? I've seen this so many times in so many places; not just this forum. What's the reason for that happening?

It is a custom that roots in Judaism of which I am a messianic. It's a Jewish thing regarding respecting the name. A Tradition.
 
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