Can you be a Christian and reject certain parts of the Bible?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, Trust God, and keep seeking truth, understanding , and wisdom --- God says keep seeking (seeking HIM), keep asking (asking HIM), and HE WILL grant it with DELIGHT to those who trust Him and rely on Him to accomplish salvation.

i.e. we might find the answer , so to speak, in an overgrown weedy field !
We will know it, as God Reveals it.
The same way those who came to trust Him in Athens , in the midst of an evil generation and many idolators ,
learned the truth from the disciples of Jesus, and knew it was true, and opposed to and different from those all around them , including their own families many times.

 

[Norbert L]

If a person denies the inerrancy and truthfulness of all scripture, I don't see how that person can honestly call themselves Christian.

The way I figure it, the high tech culture of our time tends to pressure people to need a scientific answer. If there is none forthcoming then it can't be true by our general cultural standard. Since scripture isn't written by people who had the same scientific mindset, but numerous Christians view it in that manner. They don't understand all that science is doing in areas like the flood is giving a very convincing guess.

How such a thing affects a Christians salvation... well I'm not the person doing the ultimate judging in this matter. I only have the freedom to associate or disassociate myself from others as I see fit. I would not say they are not a Christian.

 

[SkyWriting]

If I had just learned there is someone known as God, superior in every way to Man, and interested in giving me gifts and salvation, why would I even consider dismissing a letter from His hand?

Becasue it violates His calling to love.

Romans 13:8-10
Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word:
“You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Now let us suppose your neighbor happens to be a woman:


33For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women are to be silent in the churches.They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church.

So....this is bunk. Show that it is honorable,
and just, to treat women differently than men.
---> Mathew 7: 12 (Love Wins)
In everything then, do unto others as you would have them
do unto you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Always, no matter how we have been treated, Trust God, and keep seeking truth, understanding , and wisdom --- God says keep seeking (seeking HIM), keep asking (asking HIM), and HE WILL grant it with DELIGHT to those who trust Him and rely on Him to accomplish salvation.

i.e. we might find the answer , so to speak, in an overgrown weedy field !
We will know it, as God Reveals it.
The same way those who came to trust Him in Athens , in the midst of an evil generation and many idolators ,
learned the truth from the disciples of Jesus, and knew it was true, and opposed to and different from those all around them , including their own families many times.

Many people (most?) have been mistreated by family, children, parents, neighbors, government, medical, and churches even.

They might never in their lives ever have seen the proper living of God's Body (Christ's Body) on earth,

which is always according to His Word (not opposed to His Word).

But having been hurt, even devastated, by hypocrites/ false teachings/ white-washed tombs/
which claimed to be Christ's Body,
they
have nothing to cling to, nothing they have ever known to hold to, to trust.

And when they happen to "hear" the truth, they may reject it for years,
before 'seeing' it, if and when God permits.

 

[Aldebaran]

33For God is not a God of disorder, but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, 34 women are to be silent in the churches.They are not permitted to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they wish to inquire about something, they are to ask their own husbands at home; for it is dishonorable for a woman to speak in the church.

So....this is bunk. Show that it is honorable,
and just, to treat women differently than men.
---> Mathew 7: 12 (Love Wins)
In everything then, do unto others as you would have them
do unto you. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

I've already given you a reference as to what this means. You should read it and gain understanding about it: "Women Should Remain Silent"?

 

[Radrook]

It depends what is being rejected. Obviously there are moral stipulations which cannot be dismissed such as refraining from adultery, fornication, inappropriate behavior with animals, lying, thievery, murder, idolatry, disrespect of parents, etcetera. Such things are non-negotiable.

1 Corinthians 6:9
New International Version
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

Also, we cannot reject the concept of Jesus as savior since the purpose of the whole Bible is to lead us to Christ.

“Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not possess God; whoever continues in the teaching possesses both the Father and the Son” (2 John 9).

It doesn't have to be a direct rejection. It can be a rejection via choosing to say that he spoke lies when he described biblical events as historical facts. That also is non-negotiable.

1 Peter 2:22 ►
New International Version
"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."

 

[JoeP222w]

The way I figure it, the high tech culture of our time tends to pressure people to need a scientific answer. If there is none forthcoming then it can't be true by our general cultural standard.

Truth is not determined by culture or popularity.

 

[Norbert L]

Truth is not determined by culture or popularity.

Cultures popularize their own version of what is truth. So unless a person can figure out what the writers who were inspired by the Holy Spirit believed at the time of their writing scripture, then our western world view of what we think truth is can be incorrect. A good example of this can be found about 1 Corinthians 11:13-15. Due to it's length and avoid the chit chat, Dr. Heiser introduces the topic at the 7 minute mark.

 

[JoeP222w]

Cultures popularize their own version of what is truth.

There is such thing as a one person's or group's version of the truth over another. Truth is simply truth.

So unless a person can figure out what the writers who were inspired by the Holy Spirit believed at the time of their writing scripture, then our western world view of what we think truth is can be incorrect.

And you can figure what the writers believed through proper exegesis of scripture and the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Norbert L]

And you can figure what the writers believed through proper exegesis of scripture and the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

How do you view the exegesis being made about 1 Corinthians 11 in the teaching presented in the video? Does it do a proper exegesis?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So unless a person can figure out what the writers who were inspired by the Holy Spirit believed at the time of their writing scripture, then our western world view of what we think truth is can be incorrect.

This goes without saying.
(besides that a 'western' view is often wrong - that's besides the point I think; 'chinese' view, 'korean' view, 'any' view would be the same iow - any 'world' view, by definition, i.e. human, of the flesh, worldly, is wrong)
i.e. it is basic truth - if we don't understand Scripture , Scripture is still truth, and we are wrong in ourselves/ our own understanding (unless of course we simply do not know yet, and agree that we do not know).

Not knowing is the best place to find ourselves, when we don't know,
instead of 'knowing' because of science, society, education, or any other part of the world apart from God.

 

[Historical Christianity]

Not true.
When understood properly, like TORAH, when used properly, is perfect.
Rejecting any part of what God or Jesus tells us is , well, not good.

Then, Paul is in big trouble, because that's exactly what he did. He said that, because of the universal sacrifice of Jesus, no one should offer sacrifices any more.

 

[Aldebaran]

Then, Paul is in big trouble, because that's exactly what he did. He said that, because of the universal sacrifice of Jesus, no one should offer sacrifices any more.

When did the animal sacrifices stop and why?

For the Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah, animal sacrifices done in obedience to the Old Testament covenant were stopped in A.D. 70 at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the armies of Rome. Jesus warned of this in the Gospels.

For the Christian community, animal sacrifices stopped with the death and resurrection of Christ. There were some who were persecuted or pressured by the Jewish community to continue to offer sacrifices either because they rejected Jesus or felt his death was not enough. The book of Hebrews actually deals with this and shows that the Old Testament sacrificial system (the Old Covenant) was temporary until the coming of Christ who was the fulfillment of all that the sacrificial system anticipated. Paul teaches us the same thing in passages like Colossians 2:16f. It was Paul who specifically pointed to Christ as our Passover who was sacrificed for us (see 1 Corinthians 5:7). In keeping with the Lord’s Supper, instituted just before His death, Jesus also celebrated what was actually the last legitimate Passover by which He also pointed to Himself as the sacrifice for our sin.

Today, when Jews observe the Passover they cannot offer sacrifices because sacrifices are only to be offered in Jerusalem and in the temple. Prophetically, many believe that in the future during the time of Daniel’s 70th week, the temple will be rebuilt and sacrifices will again be offered, but only because the Jews continue to reject Jesus as their Messiah. The sacrifices will once again be stopped by the beast of Revelation 13 the Jews will be persecuted until Messiah returns at which time they will turn to Him “whom they have pierced,” to put it in the words of Zechariah.
When did the animal sacrifices stop and why?

 

[Historical Christianity]

When did the animal sacrifices stop and why?

For the Jews who rejected Jesus as their Messiah, animal sacrifices done in obedience to the Old Testament covenant were stopped in A.D. 70 ...
When did the animal sacrifices stop and why?

What you cite is a Christian idea. Nowhere does Torah suggest that the sacrifices are no longer required. That's only the most blatant example of an idea of Paul which is contrary to Torah.

 

[Achilles6129]

The sacrifices are re-instituted at the end of the book of Ezekiel in the messianic temple. Anyone want to explain this?

 

[Aldebaran]

What you cite is a Christian idea. Nowhere does Torah suggest that the sacrifices are no longer required. That's only the most blatant example of an idea of Paul which is contrary to Torah.

What ideas are Christians to subscribe to? But it is based on scripture. Do you know why a lamb was sacrificed? Are you familiar with why Christ was called by John the Baptist "The lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world"?

 

[Phantasman]

Jesus said that HE was the truth. To go a time before Jesus seeking truth seems futile to me. He told the Jews that they were not following the true God but a liar and murderer "from the beginning".

Why would Jesus make the statement he made in John 10:8 ? He says "all".

The Gospel is not the Torah. One is physical the other spiritual. Jesus fulfilled the physical Torah by showing us that "spirit is what quickeneth" us. John 6:63