Christ is the end of the law

[disciple1]

No, that's what Satan and his ministers would like everyone to believe so he can continue to deceive people to do the exact opposite of what Christ teaches and what we've been COMMANDED to do for our own individual and collective benefit.

"Think NOT that I came to destroy The Law" which means EXACTLY that.

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO WAY pass from The Law" means EXACTLY that; i.e. The Law is STILL in effect today, and always will be.

These are Christ's TRUE Teachings and are directly from Him. And He likewise made it clear in this passage (Matt. 5:17-20) that anyone who teaches differently is the lowest of the low (the least) in God's Eyes.

God's Grace period, so that all may stop sinning/breaking The Law (i.e. stop being criminals), is almost up. Stop being so stupid, selfish and arrogant and start DOING what we've been COMMANDED to do upon pain of death for our own good.

Christ is THE Master/Teacher, NOT Paul. And besides, Paul made it crystal clear that The Law is holy, just and good, that he himself was not only keeping The Law but establishing it everywhere he went, and that only those who actually keep The Law shall be justified.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) SHALL be justified.

If you're not keeping The Law then you don't know Christ and cannot learn from Him how to be in God's Good Graces, which obviously is through obedience to God and His Law in ALL things (i.e. DOING His Will here on Earth as it is done by everyone in heaven).

I John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

God doesn't want you to disobey His Perfect Law. Satan does. And while no one will ever earn their way into heaven by keeping The Law, it at least shows God we love and trust Him (Faith) and are genuinely striving to repent of our evil/sins/crimes (breaking His Law).

Read James' beautiful letter to you and learn to sing the New Song.

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.
And as you probably know you don't keep the law.

 

[A Freeman]

We were put here to DO good. God is good, and so is His Royal Law of Love and Liberty.

James 2:17-26
2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.
Matt. 23:8-10).

 

[disciple1]

We were put here to DO good. God is good, and so is His Royal Law of Love and Liberty.

James 2:17-26
2:17 Even so FAITH, if it hath not WORKS, is DEAD, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will SHOW thee my faith BY my works.
2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils (liars) also believe, and tremble.
2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain (worthless) man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD?
2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by WORKS, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar (and God made him your example)?
2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and BY WORKS was faith (trust in God) MADE PERFECT?
2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed ONLY God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
2:24 Ye see then how that by WORKS a man is justified, and NOT by faith only.
2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by WORKS, when she had received the messengers, and had sent [them] out another way?
2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD also.
Matt. 23:8-10).

So I guess we agree, you need to love by faith only.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 4
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.

 

[SAAN]

So I guess we agree, you need to love by faith only.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.
Romans chapter 4
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.

We Jesus summed up the law as Love, that means the commandments are summed up as Love and not a cancellation of each other.

If you Love God, you wont commit adultery or sexual immorality, worship other Gods/Idols, deliberately break his commandments, teach others to sin and more.

If you Love your neighbor, you wont covet them, murder, have relations with their spouse, bear false witness, etc

 

[A Freeman]

We Jesus summed up the law as Love, that means the commandments are summed up as Love and not a cancellation of each other.

If you Love God, you wont commit adultery or sexual immorality, worship other Gods/Idols, deliberately break his commandments, teach others to sin and more.

If you Love your neighbor, you wont covet them, murder, have relations with their spouse, bear false witness, etc

Exactly. Running around claiming to have Faith (Trust in God) and continuing to directly disobey Him are polar opposites.

 

[disciple1]

Exactly. Running around claiming to have Faith (Trust in God) and continuing to directly disobey Him are polar opposites.

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[bugkiller]

We have Grace to repent because we break the commandments

That is not the grace we are talking about. Why would you run from the law to grace when you transgress the law? Would that not be worthless law?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If the law is obsolete, the Loving one another and Loving God is also obsolete, because they came straight from the law and is what Christ expanded on when he told us to love one another and that the entire law and the prophets are summed up and Love God and love one another.

Sorry but Jesus did not add to the law.

You make no sense and don't even agree with your own theology. If the entire law of God is obsolete, there is no point in witnessing to others about Christ, because since we have no law, there is no sin. because sin is transgression of the law, so a unbeliever has nothing to repent for.

Here you change the subject from the law to law of God. This is called sophistry and works for those of limited understanding.

So remember, No law equals abolishing Loving God and One another and pretty much cancels out the New Testament, since it is based on the laws of the OT, since all of the NT was referring to how they living according to the Torah.
Leviticus 19:18
18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Then doe this verse allow one taking vengeance from say a foreigner?

Deuteronomy 6:5-7
5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.


Jesus put an end to the animal sacrifice system and his blood is what covers our sins now and not the blood of animals.

According to John Jesus did not teach nor bring the law - 1:17. In fact Jesus actually taught against the law in JN 15:10.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus Yoke is easy because he removed all the hundreds of added laws of the Pharisees that made obeying the actual law a complete burden.

No, Jesus brought grace and truth. Jesus' only relationship with and to the law was His obedience to that obligation. The Gospel of John is excellent on this.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No, that's what Satan and his ministers would like everyone to believe so he can continue to deceive people to do the exact opposite of what Christ teaches and what we've been COMMANDED to do for our own individual and collective benefit.

"Think NOT that I came to destroy The Law" which means EXACTLY that.

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in NO WAY pass from The Law" means EXACTLY that; i.e. The Law is STILL in effect today, and always will be.

These are Christ's TRUE Teachings and are directly from Him. And He likewise made it clear in this passage (Matt. 5:17-20) that anyone who teaches differently is the lowest of the low (the least) in God's Eyes.

God's Grace period, so that all may stop sinning/breaking The Law (i.e. stop being criminals), is almost up. Stop being so stupid, selfish and arrogant and start DOING what we've been COMMANDED to do upon pain of death for our own good.

Christ is THE Master/Teacher, NOT Paul. And besides, Paul made it crystal clear that The Law is holy, just and good, that he himself was not only keeping The Law but establishing it everywhere he went, and that only those who actually keep The Law shall be justified.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore The Law [is] holy, and the Commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (Being) I myself serve The Law of God; but with the flesh (human) the law of sin.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void The Law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish The Law.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of The Law [are] just before God, but the DOERS of The Law (The Torah) SHALL be justified.

If you're not keeping The Law then you don't know Christ and cannot learn from Him how to be in God's Good Graces, which obviously is through obedience to God and His Law in ALL things (i.e. DOING His Will here on Earth as it is done by everyone in heaven).

I John 2:3-4
2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, IF we keep His Commandments.
2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth NOT His Commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is NOT in him.

God doesn't want you to disobey His Perfect Law. Satan does. And while no one will ever earn their way into heaven by keeping The Law, it at least shows God we love and trust Him (Faith) and are genuinely striving to repent of our evil/sins/crimes (breaking His Law).

Read James' beautiful letter to you and learn to sing the New Song.

Yeah we have heard this ..... clap trap often.

The first thing is you need to read LK 24:44 in the KJV. The Greek text says the same thing.

If Jesus is not you high priest you are not a Christian - Heb 7:12. This means the law has passed away according to your Mat passage.

Since Paul is not a master teacher, why are you bothering to quote him out of context to support you POV?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Exactly. Running around claiming to have Faith (Trust in God) and continuing to directly disobey Him are polar opposites.

Is being in compliance with JN 15:10 and 13:34 being disobedient to Jesus?

bugkiller

 

[listed]

That is not the grace we are talking about. Why would you run from the law to grace when you transgress the law? Would that not be worthless law?

bugkiller

Very good question. Criminals never ask for the law to be enforced.

 

[listed]

Yeah we have heard this ..... clap trap often.

The first thing is you need to read LK 24:44 in the KJV. The Greek text says the same thing.

If Jesus is not you high priest you are not a Christian - Heb 7:12. This means the law has passed away according to your Mat passage.

Since Paul is not a master teacher, why are you bothering to quote him out of context to support you POV?

bugkiller

I often wonder why they would quote someone they essentially call a false teacher to support their claims.

 

[jaybird88]

Jesus is the way, so how exactly does one follow Jesus when they teach we are not to follow that way? His example was obedience to the laws of His Father. almost seems like a completely different belief system when you think about it.

 

[bugkiller]

Jesus is the way, so how exactly does one follow Jesus when they teach we are not to follow that way? His example was obedience to the laws of His Father. almost seems like a completely different belief system when you think about it.

There is nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the law meaning living in some manner as a Jew.

bugkiller

 

[jaybird88]

There is nothing in the NT requiring the keeping of the law meaning living in some manner as a Jew.

bugkiller

in a manner as a Jew such as Jesus?

 

[bloodygrace]

There is nothing in the NT that requires believers to keep the law and believers who attempt to keep the law are fallen from grace and close to being cut off. Law keeping is the worst thing you can do because it is a denial of the finished work of Christ where everything necessary for Salvation is already accomplished. Legalism is the worst sin in the bible.

 

[SAAN]

There is nothing in the NT that requires believers to keep the law and believers who attempt to keep the law are fallen from grace and close to being cut off. Law keeping is the worst thing you can do because it is a denial of the finished work of Christ where everything necessary for Salvation is already accomplished. Legalism is the worst sin in the bible.

There is also nothing in the NT that commands believers to ignore and disregard all the instructions of God either. You really are misunderstanding of the book of Galatians. You only fall from grace, when you reject the Messiah as the way to salvation and forgiveness of your sins. You cant get salvation through the law, but when you sinned, Jesus blood now covers your sins instead of the blood of animals.

Please explain how keeping the commandments of God is the worst thing you can do because it denies the finished work of the cross....are you listening to what you are saying? Image if Jesus was walking around with that thought process....hear ye, hear ye, following my fathers commands is the worst thing you can do....they would have put him to death immediately and Paul too if he went around teaching that.

And for the 10000th time, NO ONE on here has ever said Salvation is through the law!!! What has been said repeatedly is that Salvation is through Christ only and you keep the commandments of God because you are saved, not to try to get saved.

 

[Soyeong]

There is nothing in the NT that requires believers to keep the law and believers who attempt to keep the law are fallen from grace and close to being cut off. Law keeping is the worst thing you can do because it is a denial of the finished work of Christ where everything necessary for Salvation is already accomplished. Legalism is the worst sin in the bible.

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Can you grant that this verse is specifically saying that those who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen from grace? Can you also grant that no one in this thread has ever suggested that we need to try to become justified by obeying the law? Can you even point to where the God required obedience to His Law for the purpose of justification? If not, then can you grant that there could be other purpose for which the Law was given?

Titus 2:11-14 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 12 training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.

Can you grant that God's Law instructs how to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives? Can you also grant that finished work of Christ was to redeem us from all Lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works? And that such good works would not be adding to the finished work of Christ, but would be what the finished work of Christ entails by grace?

Can you grant that the Bible defines sin as the transgression of the Law whereas you've defined sin as obedience to the Law?

 

[jaybird88]

There is nothing in the NT that requires believers to keep the law and believers who attempt to keep the law are fallen from grace and close to being cut off. Law keeping is the worst thing you can do because it is a denial of the finished work of Christ where everything necessary for Salvation is already accomplished. Legalism is the worst sin in the bible.

so Jesus committed the worst sin by following the law?