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Why are fundamentalist Christians so hated by most people?

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Amen!
Have we forgotten what happened in Waco Texas?
Have we forgotten the "Branch Davidians"?
Or who David Koresh said he was?
Its not hard to deceive people now a days.
God Bless
Till all are one.

Ummm. This might not be a good example here.
More people were probably deceived
as the government made many excuses for why they
didn't take him in peaceably when they had several opportunities,
and why
the order to burn and destroy originated out of
one of the highest offices in the united states ,
backed by or prompted by the biggest money maker
in the world. (find online so as to not derail here).

In other words - the government was more wrong than
David Koresh; and the government violently and wrongly tried in vain to cover their tracks, and to cover the reason for what they did; the government was and is more deceptive than David ever was. (as often reported in the daily broadcasts)
 
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Yes, but He had every right to be. He was/is God after all.



That is debatable.
Not debatable at all. Christ instituted one Church, by definition, that's universal, or Catholic.
No sir, again, re-read my post.

There are very few Catholics and Orthodox members here who come seeking answers and fellowship. They have been very respectful of our P.O.V. and I have tried to extend them the same courtesy.

Just as there are some "hard-core" Fundamentalists, I have had to deal with "hard-core" Catholics and Orthodox members.

From what I have seen in 12 years here, there is more than enough blame to go around on all sides.



Then that makes "One Body One Bread" kinda meaningless.
Not at all. Jesus only taught one body of teaching, the One Bread, One Body references that. We all practice our faith, employ our Catholicism, differently. But the teaching of Christ is One. As is His Church.
I never have.
But when you call 'fundamentalism' to a fundamentalist, like EmmaCat, and are describing Jim Jones, et al, you do just that, whether you mean it or not.
God Bless

Till all are one.[/QUOTE]
 
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Christ instituted one Church, by definition, that's universal, or Catholic.

In reading the Bible and what happened subsequently, it seems to me that Jesus was not about instituting a church. I believe his intent was a reform of second temple Judaism. His followers took his message far beyond his original intent. Particularly Paul.
 
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In reading the Bible and what happened subsequently, it seems to me that Jesus was not about instituting a church. I believe his intent was a reform of second temple Judaism. His followers took his message far beyond his original intent. Particularly Paul.
Then why did he say to Peter "Upon this rock I will build my church"?
 
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Little "c".....catholic....
I didn't know that changing from lower case to capital changed the meaning of the word. There is only one Church and that is Catholic.
 
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Then why did he say to Peter "Upon this rock I will build my church"?

First of all we can ask the very serious question Did Jesus actually say this or are these the words of the evangelist writing as much as six decades later?" Secondly, the remark could be very well interpreted as being quite facetious and a sort of a put down to Peter.
 
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Ummm. This might not be a good example here.
More people were probably deceived
as the government made many excuses for why they
didn't take him in peaceably when they had several opportunities,
and why
the order to burn and destroy originated out of
one of the highest offices in the united states ,
backed by or prompted by the biggest money maker
in the world. (find online so as to not derail here).

In other words - the government was more wrong than
David Koresh; and the government violently and wrongly tried in vain to cover their tracks, and to cover the reason for what they did; the government was and is more deceptive than David ever was. (as often reported in the daily broadcasts)

The parallels to Jim Jones is staggering.

Both men did not allow husbands to sleep with their wives.

Both men demanded that they be able to sleep with those mens wives.

Although Jim Jones didn't make any claims to be Jesus, David Koresh did.

I'm not condoning anything the government did as right, and I'm not condoning what the Branch Davidians did either. Both had the share of the blame in this one.

But my whole point in bringing that up was to show how easy it is even for Pastors to deceive people.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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The parallels to Jim Jones is staggering.

Both men did not allow husbands to sleep with their wives.

Both men demanded that they be able to sleep with those mens wives.

Although Jim Jones didn't make any claims to be Jesus, David Koresh did.

I'm not condoning anything the government did as right, and I'm not condoning what the Branch Davidians did either. Both had the share of the blame in this one.

But my whole point in bringing that up was to show how easy it is even for Pastors to deceive people.

God Bless

Till all are one.
the point is well made........................pastors can and often do mislead......
Perhaps NOT all ..........
BUT can no man deceive one WHO TRULY N SPIRIT FOLLOWS the LAMB
and on that note
GODS good grace PUT ME RIGHT in the BIBLE....................
and by all means, paul was right when he said this
AND those holy scrips make one wise through salvation in faith......
When I say can no man deceive ONE who truly follows CHRIST
is due to one wont be deceived SO LONG as HE CONTINUES IN CHRIST
but take the eyes of HIM......and deceived we already are .
 
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Not debatable at all. Christ instituted one Church, by definition, that's universal, or Catholic.

The Greek word for "catholic" is "katholkos" meaning "general, universal".

The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Wesley J. Perschbacher, Hendrickson Publishing Company, Peabody, Mass, 01962, Copyright 1990, "katholikos", p. 215

There are no scripture references to this word at all in the New Testament. It does however, appear in the titles for certain books of the bible. However, book titles like "The General Epistle to Titus" is a man-made title and do not appear in any Greek manuscript.

And to the best of my knowledge, the only reference to that word is found in only two writings around the first century:

Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews:

"book 1, section 651: ... to the other places in Josephus, before he became a catholic Christian, which concern the same matters. Of the War,"

Flavius Josephus, Against Apion:

"book 2, section 157: ... ; nor even all of them among the laws of catholic Christianity themselves. I desire, therefore, the learned reader to"

And:

Pliny the Elder, The Natural History:

"book 3, chapter 9: ... streets, which are still to be seen in many Roman Catholic countries at the present day. under the guardianship"

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Not at all. Jesus only taught one body of teaching, the One Bread, One Body references that. We all practice our faith, employ our Catholicism, differently. But the teaching of Christ is One. As is His Church.

Then the Apostles strayed from His teaching or instructions.

And it is verified in Acts 15. Not less than 7 years perhaps, when the First Apostolic Council met, we see two different "denominations" (if you will) coming out of that meeting.

But when you call 'fundamentalism' to a fundamentalist, like EmmaCat, and are describing Jim Jones, et al, you do just that, whether you mean it or not.

Never once did I say Jim Jones was a "Fundamentalist"!

I issue the same challenge to you. Produce for me that post where I did.

The Jim Jones matter came up when I mentioned the sign that hung over his chair.

I quoted from it, and she took me to task saying it was Winston Churchill that said it.

So I say please get your facts straight.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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and the POINT of that message is.................why are so many so often deceived.......
I mean its obvious in the points you made..............those men were NOT following
CHRIST...............nor their followers...........
and if the blind , lead the blind.............then both fall into the ditch.....
I have noticed this too..................most who even claim to be fundamentalist
TRULY are NOT................
just men with religion.
Sure they may say the BIBLE is INSPIRED BY GOD...which IS TRUE
but then why do they often break the sayings OF JESUS
which are IN THE BIBLE...............
 
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the point is well made........................pastors can and often do mislead......
Perhaps NOT all ..........
BUT can no man deceive one WHO TRULY N SPIRIT FOLLOWS the LAMB
and on that note
GODS good grace PUT ME RIGHT in the BIBLE....................
and by all means, paul was right when he said this
AND those holy scrips make one wise through salvation in faith......
When I say can no man deceive ONE who truly follows CHRIST
is due to one wont be deceived SO LONG as HE CONTINUES IN CHRIST
but take the eyes of HIM......and deceived we already are .

You are right.

But, I have already shown that in America, of the population that attend church, only 6% read their bible.

And of that 6%, only 4% actually know and understand what they read.

And in reality, how many people follow Christ's example 100% of the time?

Point made.

If we did, then we could take 1 Jn. 1:8-10 out of the scriptures.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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and the POINT of that message is.................why are so many so often deceived.......
I mean its obvious in the points you made..............those men were NOT following
CHRIST...............nor their followers...........
and if the blind , lead the blind.............then both fall into the ditch.....
I have noticed this too..................most who even claim to be fundamentalist
TRULY are NOT................
just men with religion.
Sure they may say the BIBLE is INSPIRED BY GOD...which IS TRUE
but then why do they often break the sayings OF JESUS
which are IN THE BIBLE...............

Here again, who has followed what the scriptures or what Jesus said 100% of the time?

To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one person EVER who was able to do that, and you and I are not Him.

God Bless

Till all are one.
 
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Pilate once asked but what is TRUTH...............
For that answer.................to truly KNOW TRUTH
one must be born again...........
THAT work is all by the Grace of our LORD
who first draws men to the SON
THEN the SON reveals the Father to whomever COMES .
But the original question was why are fundies so hated............
even so many of the false ones
that answer is this...........
they CLAIM the BIBLE as TRUTH..........
and the world HATES that book.................
and its true , I have noticed the news , every time one who does evil
says he is a fundie...............the news is right their to throw fundies in the same camp
TIS LIKE the SPIRIT of darkness is gathering the whole world
to eventually , COME AGAINST the TRUE LAMBS
FOR soon , in time , due to the MOTHER of all false religions
the birther of the universal all interfaith religion
WILL STRIKE at all who DID NOT CONFORM TO ITS WORLD PEACE and UNITY message
and all who are not in the lambs book of life................
will follow and believe the STRONG delusion that shall be given
and thus the GREAT TRIBULATION, greater than all...............will begin.
I just pray for my enemies...............and if man kills me............I pray his forgivness
JESUS SAYINGS are TREASURE and happy is the man who does them.
 
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your numbers are probably a little high..........but maybe not
YOU are correct so few actually do truly spend good time in that bible........
I would have guessed less than even four percent.....however I don't KNOW that.
thus your numbers seem fair enough.
 
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