Why are fundamentalist Christians so hated by most people?

[DeaconDean]

He did not say that originally and that's a very nasty reference to a horrible mass suicide in Guyana and that is of a cult.

George Santayana said that originally. Look it up. Jim Jones was a mass murderer and cult leader who sent over 900 people and children to their deaths and also killed a US Congressman and part of his entourage to see what was going on when people became concerned.

Look it up -- or will I have to do it for you?

That is not fundamentalism. That was a looney cult ruled and invented by a man who was depraved and preyed on unfortunate people. It was called The Peoples' Temple. He made his own rules. He used that saying to brainwash who all followed him to Guyana and there he killed them, along with a US Congressman, Leo Ryan. Jim Jones perverted that saying into his followers and they believed it was of a different thing.

I know my history. Look it up.

Jim Jones was not a Fundamentalist. He was a nutcase who sent over 900 people to their deaths. He had his own agenda.

It had nothing to do with the Bible or any faith.

Let me set you straight.

1) I never said Jim Jones was a Fundamentalist! Now if you wish to continue down this avenue, then we're gonna have to do something else.

2) The general quote was from a sign there at Guyana.



Not once did I suggest anything he did was right or anything that could even come close! Not once did I condone anything he did or say that I did! Now you are reading into this, something I did not say. Please stop!

I could care less if Winston Churchill, or George Santana, Edmund Burke, or Charlie Brown.

Like I said, whether it Jim Jones or whomever, the quote was correct in what it taught. And I stand by it.

Now if you want to keep this nit-picking going, I'm game.

Funny also is I remember somebody here saying:

"No one of other faiths hate me. Explain that, please?

And I hate no one. Hate is a horrible waste of time, energy, emotion, and even action. I have friends of many other religions and I love them and they love me.

We are all brothers and sisters in Christ and I hope someday we can all figure that out and stop with "who hates who" and all that garbage.

Stop hating, stop thinking of hate, and start loving each other and start working together to bring others to a walk with God no matter what religion or Church they choose. That's not our choice; it is their choice. They may choose Catholic, or Baptist, or Lutheran, or Pentecostal or whatever. That Is not of our purview.

With all this time spent on hate should be time spent with prayer.

Life is short. Love is forever."

And yet, nearly every single post I have here in this thread has been taken to task.

Hum...

Makes one think.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Please don't mistake what I said.

I do not "lump" all Catholics and Orthodox in the same category.

As a matter of fact, there are a handful of Catholics and Orthodox with whom I get along quite well with. They are respectful of our position here, and I show them the same courtesy.

Its the "hard-core" ones that I have no respect for.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Jesus was 'hard-core'. And actually, he was Catholic (he instituted the universal Church, after all). So if all you want to get along with is those who tolerate your point of view, you're creating a very small circle.

What I was saying is that all Catholics do not believe the same thing, though they are supposed to, they interpret it in ways convenient to themselves.
My point is that, while there are some fire and brimstone fundamentalists who use the Bible as a sword, most are peaceful, and believe fundamentally that the Bible is their guide for living. So if you want to speak of fundamentalists, make sure you're targeting those who act hatefully, and not lump them all together.

 

[Root of Jesse]

No.

One is only hated because one does something to be hated for.

The Westboro Baptist Church people are not Fundamentalists. They are an offshoot of the Baptist Church and do terrible things. That's why no one likes them.

You reap what you sow. Here, we don't have any problems with hate.

The truth is that they were labeled fundamentalist Christians by the same people who keep trying to say that the Pope is all for married priests, hosting gay weddings and admitting divorced and remarried Catholics to the reception of Communion, and the same people who point at anyone who is a Christian who lives their faith.

 

[Root of Jesse]

As a humanist, I have three objections to fundamentalism, as I have come across it here in the UK (Plymouth) where GOD TV is based, and in local Churches. Firstly, the Trinity; most fundamentalists / evangelicals are nominally Trinitarian, but ask them to explain it and their definition of the Trinity is either modalism or tri-theism.

Just because something is hard to explain doesn't mean that belief in it is wrong.

Secondly Christ, again, so many people seem to make up their theology as they go along and yet you cannot question them, yet alone rebuke them, here in Plymouth I came to reject the Christian religion as everyone's view of Christ was different, the only common thread was the command for me not to judge anybody.

Everyone's view of and elephant is different, too-we all come to it from a point of view. So what?

Thirdly, the new covenant, here in Plymouth joining a religious building, not missing meetings within that building, paying tithes and other similar actives can buy a person a ticket to heaven ... by their own good works as they cooperate with Christ's work on the cross, so effectively many christians affirm the new covenant but in practice they deny it by adding works such as tithing and compulsory meeting attendance to the new covenant.

Can you provide the exact wording of this doctrine? I don't think anyone believes they can buy their way into heaven by giving money and going to services. More like the other way-believing and actively participating in a faith brings forth our desire to tithe and do good works. But it all comes from God.

 

[Root of Jesse]

WOW!!! I haven't read a proper definition of what a fundamentalist Christian is in this thread. A fundamentalist Christian is one who follows the fundamental beliefs and truths of the bible and not any man made doctrinal commandments. Fundamentalists do not try to pass laws to create some sort of church state world which all denominations are doing as they promote anti gay legislation and pro life marches (the image of the beast). A fundamentalist is one who lives and teaches THUS SAITH THE LORD. Matthew 4:4

So being against homosexuality and for life is the image of the beast? Pray tell.

 

[GeorgeJ]

We Fundies have no pastor or leader who would force us to drink poison or do any of the sort Jim Jones did.

Maybe not, but there are more than a few fundie pastors/leaders who are pedophiles, child rapists, and narcissists. I'd say that rates right up there with Jim Jones' misdeeds.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Maybe not, but there are more than a few fundie pastors/leaders who are pedophiles, child rapists, and narcissists. I'd say that rates right up there with Jim Jones' misdeeds.

Not just fundies, bro. Jim Jones conned people to commit suicide. Those pastors who don't practice what they preach just hurt themselves. There's lots of them in every faith.

 

[GeorgeJ]

Not just fundies, bro. Jim Jones conned people to commit suicide. Those pastors who don't practice what they preach just hurt themselves. There's lots of them in every faith.

Agree with this. My post was in direct response to EmmaCat's insinuation that fundie pastors and leaders can do no evil, when in fact, hyper-fundamentalism is a breeding ground for corruption and evil. In many fundamental churches, "pastor" controls everything about their lives.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Agree with this. My post was in direct response to EmmaCat's insinuation that fundie pastors and leaders can do no evil, when in fact, hyper-fundamentalism is a breeding ground for corruption and evil. In many fundamental churches, "pastor" controls everything about their lives.

Ok, but I disagree that that was EmmaCat's insinuation. I think she's talking about the people in general.

 

[EmmaCat]

Maybe not, but there are more than a few fundie pastors/leaders who are pedophiles, child rapists, and narcissists. I'd say that rates right up there with Jim Jones' misdeeds.

This is totally disgusting and infuriating.

Name all the Fundie ones who are this. Jim Jones was not original Fundie. Name them all, and let's discuss it. You will see none of what you're claiming is a real Fundie but an offshoot of another religion.

Let's see what you have here. Thanks!

All good things,
Emmy

 

[GeorgeJ]

Let's see what you have here. Thanks!

All good things,
Emmy

Here's some good links to start with:

The Christian Fundamentalist Roll Call of Shame: Child Molesters and Felons Protected in Christian Fundamentalism « Blog on the Way

Silver Medalists in the Roll Call of Shame: Adulterers and Criminals in Christian Fundamentalism « Blog on the Way

 

[Root of Jesse]

Here's some good links to start with:

The Christian Fundamentalist Roll Call of Shame: Child Molesters and Felons Protected in Christian Fundamentalism « Blog on the Way

Silver Medalists in the Roll Call of Shame: Adulterers and Criminals in Christian Fundamentalism « Blog on the Way

Considering how many pastors of churches there are, that's not a huge list, compared to teachers who do the same thing in public school systems.

But what's your point, that we're all sinners? Yeah. So?

 

[GeorgeJ]

Yeah. So?

My reply was to EmmaCat in response to:

You will see none of what you're claiming is a real Fundie but an offshoot of another religion.

Not sure what her definition of a "real" fundie is, but these men/women were/are all from fundamentalist churches and not offshoots of another religion.

But, there will be some head burying in the sand instead of acknowledgement that there is a problem in fundieland. Not to say there aren't problems in other sects, but the focus in this thread is fundamentalism.

Anyway, I've had my say. Ya'll go ahead and try and refute it. The evidence is there, so nothing else needs to be shown on my part.

Unsubscribing.

 

[EmmaCat]

My reply was to EmmaCat in response to:
Not sure what her definition of a "real" fundie is, but these men/women were/are all from fundamentalist churches and not offshoots of another religion.

But, there will be some head burying in the sand instead of acknowledgement that there is a problem in fundieland. Not to say there aren't problems in other sects, but the focus in this thread is fundamentalism.

Anyway, I've had my say. Ya'll go ahead and try and refute it. The evidence is there, so nothing else needs to be shown on my part.

Unsubscribing.

You admitted you did not understand what real Fundies are so I guess you are getting your information and all from other sources.

I wish you well.

 

[Albion]

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[EmmaCat]

I've also noticed those who complain of Fundamentalism are not real Fundies.

This would be like me romping into a Catholic or Baptist forum here and finding fault with them.

Real Fundies help the needy, do not stand for any kind of child or person abuse, we don't think the Earth is flat, we focus on our walk with God and show this to any and all.

Real Fundies don't make the news for obvious reasons. We're too quiet.

 

[DeaconDean]

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[Root of Jesse]

My reply was to EmmaCat in response to:
Not sure what her definition of a "real" fundie is, but these men/women were/are all from fundamentalist churches and not offshoots of another religion.

Again, so what? People are human and make mistakes. Even pastors.

But, there will be some head burying in the sand instead of acknowledgement that there is a problem in fundieland. Not to say there aren't problems in other sects, but the focus in this thread is fundamentalism.

Well, the focus of the thread is to examine why people hate fundies. I think it's because they are adamant about their faith. They're not like the world says people should be like.

Anyway, I've had my say. Ya'll go ahead and try and refute it. The evidence is there, so nothing else needs to be shown on my part.

Unsubscribing.

Ta-ta!

 

[DeaconDean]

Not just fundies, bro. Jim Jones conned people to commit suicide. Those pastors who don't practice what they preach just hurt themselves. There's lots of them in every faith.

Amen!

Have we forgotten what happened in Waco Texas?

Have we forgotten the "Branch Davidians"?

Or who David Koresh said he was?

Its not hard to deceive people now a days.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

Jesus was 'hard-core'.

Yes, but He had every right to be. He was/is God after all.

And actually, he was Catholic (he instituted the universal Church, after all).

That is debatable.

So if all you want to get along with is those who tolerate your point of view, you're creating a very small circle.

No sir, again, re-read my post.

There are very few Catholics and Orthodox members here who come seeking answers and fellowship. They have been very respectful of our P.O.V. and I have tried to extend them the same courtesy.

Just as there are some "hard-core" Fundamentalists, I have had to deal with "hard-core" Catholics and Orthodox members.

From what I have seen in 12 years here, there is more than enough blame to go around on all sides.

What I was saying is that all Catholics do not believe the same thing, though they are supposed to, they interpret it in ways convenient to themselves.

Then that makes "One Body One Bread" kinda meaningless.

My point is that, while there are some fire and brimstone fundamentalists who use the Bible as a sword, most are peaceful, and believe fundamentally that the Bible is their guide for living. So if you want to speak of fundamentalists, make sure you're targeting those who act hatefully, and not lump them all together.

I never have.

God Bless

Till all are one.