The Book of Revelation

[vinsight4u]

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[vinsight4u]

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[Riberra]

Usually this is based on when Jerusalem (Judea) became established and Israel becoming a nation after the 6 day war on June 11, 1967. Right now the life span is around 80 years in that part of the world so 1967 plus 80 equals 2047. So according to this teaching then Jesus will return before the year 2047.

A Biblical generation is 40 years ....The modern State of Israel was founded in 1948.

1948 +40 = 1988 --OOOPS!


Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

A Biblical generation is 40 years ....The modern State of Israel was founded in 1948.

1948 +40 = 1988 --OOOPS!

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

I think everyone can see that was the wrong identification of the fig tree and wrong length of the generation. 1967+40=2007 didn't work either. 1967+70=2018 didn't work either considering the 7 years would have to had started in 2011.

1967+70 = 2037

 

[Riberra]

I think everyone can see that was the wrong identification of the fig tree and wrong length of the generation. 1967+40=2007 didn't work either. 1967+70=2018 didn't work either considering the 7 years would have to had started in 2011.

1967+70 = 2037

Which mean that
a whole generation of believers have been fooled by the pre-tribbers churches who sayed that 1988 will be the time when all these thing were to be fulfilled... their basis was 1948 Israel the fig tree+ a biblical generation of 40 years based on the 40 years that the Jews wandered in the desert ....

As you point out they moved moved the goal post to 1967+40=2007 didn't work either. 1967+70=2018 didn't work either considering the 7 years would have to had started in 2011.

now lets move the goal post again ...

1967+70 = 2037

 

[Douggg]

Which mean that
a whole generation of believers have been fooled by the pre-tribbers churches who sayed that 1988 will be the time when all these thing were to be fulfilled... their basis was 1948 Israel the fig tree+ a biblical generation of 40 years based on the 40 years that the Jews wandered in the desert .... now lets move the goal post...

1967+70 = 2037

The numbers have nothing to do with the timing of the rapture.

 

[Riberra]

The numbers have nothing to do with the timing of the rapture.

The parable of the fig tree is not about Israel founded in 1948 or them taking Jerusalem in 1967 + adding a variable number [40-70] about what you decide a biblical generation is..

The caught up to meet Jesus in the Clouds In The Air will happen UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS after that we will have seen ALL these things happening.


Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[shadowhunter]

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Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

There are those of us who read it like the Rosetta Stone for the rest of the Bible.
The Mystery which was hidden from the beginning is the picture of the cross from Ge 1.1 to Malachi 4.6.
It is buried in symbolism which can be determined without error if you apply two simple rules:
1. It always speaks of Christ
2. A symbol is the same everywhere.

When this hermeneutic is used, Revelation tells the same story of the cross as all the other books. The others have symbols hidden while the literal-historical is "in your face". Revelation puts the symbols "in your face" while the literal is hidden.

Have fun.

 

[The Times]

I did not say this was John's Revelation, I said that John was a Revelator. So who are the "two witness" and what is the meaning of the "eyes of the Lord"?

Seven eyes of the Lord are the......

seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

The seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

What are the lamps of fire that pour out the golden oil of salvation?

the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

So John highlights that the seven Churches that the letter was solely addressed to are the seven church in the middle east.

Therefore the olive trees are the two witnesses, the Law and the Prophets which are connected to the Great Commission to preach the gospel, within the anointing of the ministry of the seven churches, which is the menorah of God through the Son's commissioning of the Church within the 1st century and onwards throughout the generations and workmen to come, until the 11th workmen at the end of the great harvest of God.

The two witnesses is the anointing of the commissioned church throughout the new covenant church age. That is why on the mount of transfiguration Moses who symbolises the Law and Elijah who symbolises the Prophets were standing with Jesus who was dressed in white as the bridegroom and his church as the bride. The disciples were told to tell no man until Jesus was raised and breathed on them the Holy Ghost and commissioned them in twos into every town and village to preach his gospel.

The two witnesses in Christ's revelation is the body of Christ ministering in the outer court of the unbelieving gentile world. Those who are in Christ are the Israel of God and so everyone outside of Christ are identified as the unbelieving gentiles. The word gentile within the Aramaic language means khampe, which is none believers. So that Judaizers without Christ throughout the new covenant are become the unbelieving gentiles, for many are the sons of the desolate women Hagar.

 

[Douggg]

The parable of the fig tree is not about Israel founded in 1948 or them taking Jerusalem in 1967 + adding a variable number [40-70] about what you decide a biblical generation is..

The caught up to meet Jesus in the Clouds In The Air will happen UNTO THE COMING OF JESUS after that we will have seen ALL these things happening.


Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Which the rapture can happen at anytime since we are in that fig tree generation. Jesus says to be looking up.

 

[Riberra]

Which the rapture can happen at anytime since we are in that fig tree generation. Jesus says to be looking up.

Not at anytime !
The rapture [the caught up to meet Jesus in the Clouds] is TIED to the COMING OF JESUS in the clouds mentioned in [Matthew 24:29-31]after ALL THESE THINGS ...

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

The rapture [the caught up to meet Jesus in the Clouds] is TIED to the COMING OF JESUS after ALL THESE THINGS ...

Matthew 24
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

So, to you "even at the door" means even at the back door at the end of all those things?

 

[Riberra]

So, to you "even at the door" means even at the back door at the end of all those things?

You forget that the text say WHEN YOU SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS....

Matthew 24
33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

That explain why every generation of believers since Jesus have ascended to Heaven believed that they were living in the last generation... our generation makes no exception ...and the generation that will follow us.

For example John Nelson Darby believed that the invention of the telegraph -he called the telegraph an invention of Cain and a harbinger of Armageddon--was a sign of the End Times which he believed was to happen in 1897 with the true Church being raptured 7 years before of course !

John Nelson Darby - Wikipedia

 

[Douggg]

You forget that the text say WHEN YOU SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS....

Matthew 24
33 So LIKEWISE ye, when ye shall see ALL these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

So you read that to be when you shall see all these things in the rear view mirror.....?

I think you are wrong. It is when we see all these things about to happen.

That explain why every generation of believers since Jesus have ascended to Heaven believed that they were living in the last generation... our generation makes no exception ...and the generation that will follow us.

awe, you are going right back to a non-biblical argument, instead of learning the parable of the fig tree.

 

[BABerean2]

instead of learning the parable of the fig tree.

Mat_21:19　 And seeing a fig tree by the road, He came to it and found nothing on it but leaves, and said to it, "Let no fruit grow on you ever again." Immediately the fig tree withered away.
Mat_21:20　 And when the disciples saw it, they marveled, saying, "How did the fig tree wither away so soon?"
Mat_21:21　 So Jesus answered and said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but also if you say to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' it will be done.


Mat_24:32　 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.


Mar_11:13　 And seeing from afar a fig tree having leaves, He went to see if perhaps He would find something on it. When He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.


Mar_11:20　 Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
Mar_11:21　 And Peter, remembering, said to Him, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree which You cursed has withered away."


Mar_13:28　 "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.


Luk_13:6　 He also spoke this parable: "A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none.
Luk_13:7　 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, 'Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?'


Luk_21:29　 Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.


Joh_1:48　 Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."


Joh_1:50　 Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you, 'I saw you under the fig tree,' do you believe? You will see greater things than these."

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[Riberra]

, instead of learning the parable of the fig tree.

For tree times i have quoting it for your perusal and you have still learned nothing from it.

Matthew 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, WHEN YE SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

This is talking about the GENERATION THAT WILL SEE ALL THESE THINGS...
Them of that Generation ..will see Jesus coming in Glory in the Clouds mentioned in Matthew 24:29-31

Matthew 24:13
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[Douggg]

For tree times i have quoting it for your perusal and you have still learned nothing from it.

Matthew 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So LIKEWISE ye, WHEN YE SHALL SEE ALL THESE THINGS, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

This is talking about the GENERATION THAT WILL SEE ALL THESE THINGS...
Them of that Generation ..will see Jesus coming in Glory in the Clouds mentioned in Matthew 24:29-31

Matthew 24:13
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

You have not identified the fig tree nor the length of a generation. If you had - correctly - you would know Jesus's return is near even at the door.

 

[Riberra]

You have not identified the fig tree

The fig tree is a TREE ....
Matthew 24:32
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

 

[Douggg]

The fig tree is a TREE ....
Matthew 24:32
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

The fig tree is a metaphor. so is it's branch being tender.

 

[Riberra]

The fig tree is a metaphor. so is it's branch being tender.

Exactly...
This is a parable....you know that summer is -near- based on what you observe from the fig tree ...that is not talking about Israel or Jerusalem

Matthew 24:32
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: