Wives vs submission to husbands vs submission to Jesus

[Victory-N-Christ]

Likewise, wives submit first to Christ, and then to their husbands as Christ has said - it is GOD'S direction for order.
And it is the TRUTH that sets us free, not rebellion.

Wait a minute.Husbands have to submit to Christ too. He is the head of man.It is God's direction for order..as you've pointed out.

 

[RDKirk]

One can submit either to oppression or out of freedom. But a dynamic which reduces women to be less than their husbands is oppressive. Christ is never oppressive.

So what you're saying is that the only persons who are free not to submit to any man are women...because scripture certainly does require men to submit to other men, whether it's oppressive or not. Actually, particularly if it's oppressive.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Wait a minute.Husbands have to submit to Christ too. He is the head of man.It is God's direction for order..as you've pointed out.

Remember the instructions GOD gives to everyone - submit to the government authorities as much as feasible without comproming the testimony of JESUS,

likewise slaves submit to their masters/owners (in the BIBLE and etc)
EVEN IF the master/ owner is harsh or mean or unjust!

the INSTRUCTIONS of GOD are to the BELIEVERS
what the BELIEVERS are to do - not what the unbelievers do or not.

The obedience to GOD'S WORD is a TESTIMONY sure and true
to everyone who sees , that they may GLORIFY GOD!
(no matter what the circumstances are )

 

[RDKirk]

Remember the instructions GOD gives to everyone - submit to the government authorities as much as feasible without comproming the testimony of JESUS,

likewise slaves submit to their masters/owners (in the BIBLE and etc)
EVEN IF the master/ owner is harsh or mean or unjust!

the INSTRUCTIONS of GOD are to the BELIEVERS
what the BELIEVERS are to do - not what the unbelievers do or not.

The obedience to GOD'S WORD is a TESTIMONY sure and true
to everyone who sees , that they may GLORIFY GOD!
(no matter what the circumstances are )

Yes.

How many times does scripture tell us that God hates the proud, the insolent, the haughty, the stiff-necked? How often does it say He loves the meek?

Everyone should be practicing submission to someone. Having a submissive spirit--rather than being haughty and stiff-necked--is itself the point.

If one has the good luxury to be in submission to someone who also has a meek and submissive spirit, that is a wonderful thing. A lot of us are under submission to "froward masters."

 

[Paidiske]

So what you're saying is that the only persons who are free not to submit to any man are women...because scripture certainly does require men to submit to other men, whether it's oppressive or not. Actually, particularly if it's oppressive.

Not exactly. There are appropriate dynamics of submission, as you've pointed out, in the workplace, in the church, and so on. What I am arguing against is an unequal dynamic of submission in marrage, where the husband wields power and control and the wife is his doormat.

In a healthy marriage each will submit to the other, out of love, and there is not hierarchy. That is how true unity is brought about.

 

[Victory-N-Christ]

Remember the instructions GOD gives to everyone - submit to the government authorities as much as feasible without comproming the testimony of JESUS,

likewise slaves submit to their masters/owners (in the BIBLE and etc)
EVEN IF the master/ owner is harsh or mean or unjust!

the INSTRUCTIONS of GOD are to the BELIEVERS
what the BELIEVERS are to do - not what the unbelievers do or not.

The obedience to GOD'S WORD is a TESTIMONY sure and true
to everyone who sees , that they may GLORIFY GOD!
(no matter what the circumstances are )

Amen!

 

[Victory-N-Christ]

Almost every woman I've met claim to want a "real" man. I always ask them what their idea of a "real" man is.This friend of my spouse mentioned that she wanted a Boaz...the guy from the story of Ruth.So I said "So you want an older ,wealthy ,generous guy?" Her response was yes. So I asked her was she ready to submit once she met her Boaz..and she asked me was I nuts.

 

[Paidiske]

If I were to say I wanted a "real" mean, by that I'd mean someone who's grown up. Who takes responsibility in his life and doesn't expect me to carry his emotional work, thought load or family obligations. (For example, being a wife doesn't make it my job to remind him that he has an appointment, buy his mother a birthday present, or take responsibility for initiating conversation around something which has irritated him).

What I notice among my peers is that we don't want husbands who, in effect, become the same kind of "work" for us that our children are. We want partners in life.

Wealth or not really doesn't come into it for me. I've been quite comfortable during the phases of our marriage where I've been the bread winner. (In fact I find that easier than being dependent).

 

[Victory-N-Christ]

Ephesians 5:1:Be ye therefore followers of God as dear children. (children are commanded to obey those in authority over them)
2:And walk in love as Christ also hath loved us and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.(Jesus fully and in all things submitted to God even unto a horrific death)
That should be our example. Not that I'm fool enough to die for my spouse but I would gladly love her until death do us part.

 

[Victory-N-Christ]

If I were to say I wanted a "real" mean, by that I'd mean someone who's grown up. Who takes responsibility in his life and doesn't expect me to carry his emotional work, thought load or family obligations. (For example, being a wife doesn't make it my job to remind him that he has an appointment, buy his mother a birthday present, or take responsibility for initiating conversation around something which has irritated him).

What I notice among my peers is that we don't want husbands who, in effect, become the same kind of "work" for us that our children are. We want partners in life.

Wealth or not really doesn't come into it for me. I've been quite comfortable during the phases of our marriage where I've been the bread winner. (In fact I find that easier than being dependent).

Hey there. Sounds like you have a pretty good knowledge of what I'm getting at. God bless.