中文和漢語

[DeerGlow]

你好！我學漢語。我說漢語說不好。我和你一起說漢語嗎？

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I cant read Chinese

 

[ewq1938]

I cant read Chinese

How did you know it was Chinese??

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

How did you know it was Chinese??

The Chinese characters used.

 

[DeerGlow]

How did you know it was Chinese??

I've heard someone say it like this:

Korean is straight and circular lines - 한국어

Japanese is curly and cute - あなた

Chinese is BIG THREATENING CHARACTERS - 我在美國看電影

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I've heard someone say it like this:

Korean is straight and circular lines - 한국어

Japanese is curly and cute - あなた

Chinese is BIG THREATENING CHARACTERS - 我在美國看電影

Japanese is a combo of "cute and curly" (Hiragana) plus Chinese Characters. I think Korean might use some Chinese characters too.
Japanese has katakana as well. (mainly enlgish loan words)

 

[DeerGlow]

Japanese is a combo of "cute and curly" (Hiragana) plus Chinese Characters. I think Korean might use some Chinese characters too.
Japanese has katakana as well. (mainly enlgish loan words)

Korean doesn't. Japanese calls them kanji, which are still just Chinese characters with Japanese pronunciations (like: 心 as こころ kokoro) can be worked in like あなたの心です (it is your heart). Still, I love the description of Chinese as the threatening one. It really is when you try to write it!

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

hanja= Chinese characters
"In South Korea school children are expected to learn 1,800 hanja by the end of high school. The proportion of hanja used in Korean texts varies greatly from writer to writer and there is considerable public debate about the role of hanja in Korean writing."

 

[DeerGlow]

hanja= Chinese characters
"In South Korea school children are expected to learn 1,800 hanja by the end of high school. The proportion of hanja used in Korean texts varies greatly from writer to writer and there is considerable public debate about the role of hanja in Korean writing."

I've never seen it but Korean's one of my weak ones.

 

[star in the sky]

你的汉字写得很好 , 你好我是露丝. 我住在新西兰, 我也可以说中文 . 我会说一点让. 我学习中文十八年 .
我不是中国人. 我有一点中国人朋友们.时候我看见中文词我常常不懂 .我写的汉字不行. 我感到写的汉字很难.但是我说汉语很好.你是中国人吗? 我看见你住在美国.你想跟一起说我?

 

[DeerGlow]

你的汉字写得很好 , 你好我是露丝. 我住在新西兰, 我也可以说中文 . 我会说一点让. 我学习中文十八年 .
我不是中国人. 我有一点中国人朋友们.时候我看见中文词我常常不懂 .我写的汉字不行. 我感到写的汉字很难.但是我说汉语很好.你是中国人吗? 我看见你住在美国.你想跟一起说我?

 

[GoingByzantine]

Sorry, I can only write Chinese in pīnyīn.

 

[star in the sky]

This what I said in pinyin : Nǐ de hànzì xiě dé hěn hǎo, nǐ hǎo wǒ shì lù sī. Wǒ zhù zài xīnxīlán, wǒ yě kěyǐ shuō zhōngwén. Wǒ huì shuō yīdiǎn ràng. Wǒ xuéxí zhōngwén shíbā nián.
Wǒ bùshì zhōngguó rén. Wǒ yǒu yīdiǎn zhōngguó rén péngyǒumen. Shíhòu wǒ kànjiàn zhōngwén cí wǒ chángcháng bù dǒng. Wǒ xiě de hànzì bùxíng. Wǒ gǎndào xiě de hànzì hěn nán. Dànshì wǒ shuō hànyǔ hěn hǎo. Nǐ shì zhōngguó rén ma? Wǒ kànjiàn nǐ zhù zài měiguó. Nǐ xiǎng gēn shuō wǒ?

 

[Phylliswong]

你好啊，我会中文，我也住在美国，我们可以一起学习啊

 

[Yusuphhai]

實際上，普通話（滿人官長）是一種像滿洲話的漢語，因為滿人統治中國很長時間（1644-1911）。
In fact, Mandarin （Manchu officials）is a Chinese language similar to Manchu because the Manchus ruled China for a long time (1644-1911).

Taiwan Mandarin Educational Resources Center Taiwan (台灣) Mandarin Education.

http://www.yuxin.edu.hk/?lang=en H.K. （香港）Mandarin (National dialect) Education.

 

[Learning always]

實際上，普通話（滿人官長）是一種像滿洲話的漢語，因為滿人統治中國很長時間（1644-1911）。
In fact, Mandarin （Manchu officials）is a Chinese language similar to Manchu because the Manchus ruled China for a long time (1644-1911).

Taiwan Mandarin Educational Resources Center Taiwan (台灣) Mandarin Education.

http://www.yuxin.edu.hk/?lang=en H.K. （香港）Mandarin (National dialect) Education.

Mandarin ??? Isn't it a type of fruit?
Americans might think it's a weird name, why call your language mandarin ?
Do you know why?

 

[Yusuphhai]

Mandarin ??? Isn't it a type of fruit?
Americans might think it's a weird name, why call your language mandarin ?
Do you know why?

很多外國人不知道，香港話和廣東話比普通話更接近古代漢語。Mandarin是漢語“滿大人”(Man3 Da4 Ren2)的音譯，“滿大人” 的意思是滿人的官員。清朝的權力核心在滿人手裡，漢人沒有多少話語權。所以“滿大人”主要指向滿人的官員而不是漢人官員。
Many foreigners are unaware that Hong Kong dialect and Cantonese are closer to ancient Chinese than Mandarin. Mandarin It is a transliteration of the Chinese word 滿大人"Man3 Da4 Ren2（Mandarin）", which means "Manchu officials". The core of power in the Qing Dynasty was in the hands of the Manchu people, and the Han people had little say. So 'Manchu officials' （or officials of Qing）mainly refers to Manchu but not Han officials.
就象古希伯來語和古希臘語因為外族的征服而遺失，古漢語也遺失了。現在恢復古漢語比較困難。古漢語的發音藏在一些中國南方的語種裡。外國人學漢語一般主要學Mandarin,因為這是華人和類華人圈子裡的國際語言。
Just as ancient Hebrew and Greek were lost due to foreign conquests, ancient Chinese was also lost. It is difficult to restore ancient Chinese now. The pronunciation of ancient Chinese is hidden in some southern Chinese dialects. Foreigners generally focus on learning Chinese Mandarin, Because this is an international language within the Chinese and quasi Chinese communities.
很奇怪的是，我可以說出一種類似於廣東話的strange tongue，是對漢語古音的一點恢復。也許將來古漢語可以像古希伯來語那樣恢復。
It's strange that I can say some strange tongues similar to Cantonese ， It is a slight restoration of ancient Chinese phonetics. Perhaps in the future, ancient Chinese can be restored like ancient Hebrew.

 

[Learning always]

很多外國人不知道，香港話和廣東話比普通話更接近古代漢語。Mandarin是漢語“滿大人”(Man3 Da4 Ren2)的音譯，“滿大人” 的意思是滿人的官員。清朝的權力核心在滿人手裡，漢人沒有多少話語權。所以“滿大人”主要指向滿人的官員而不是漢人官員。
Many foreigners are unaware that Hong Kong dialect and Cantonese are closer to ancient Chinese than Mandarin. Mandarin It is a transliteration of the Chinese word 滿大人"Man3 Da4 Ren2（Mandarin）", which means "Manchu officials". The core of power in the Qing Dynasty was in the hands of the Manchu people, and the Han people had little say. So 'Manchu officials' （or officials of Qing）mainly refers to Manchu but not Han officials.

Spot on !
But what you said about Mandarin is similar to Manchu language, I don't agree. Mandarin is not similar to Manchu, note that Mandarin is related to ancient spoken Chinese. But there were some Manchu or Mongolian influences, I believe.

 

[Yusuphhai]

Spot on !
But what you said about Mandarin is similar to Manchu language, I don't agree. Mandarin is not similar to Manchu, note that Mandarin is related to ancient spoken Chinese. But there were some Manchu or Mongolian influences, I believe.

傳統滿語的確和漢語差異非常大，比日語或韓語跟漢語的差異更大。滿語屬於西伯利亞的通古斯語，滿人是從西伯利亞遷移到了現在的中國東北部。現在會說傳統滿語的人已經沒多少人了，傳統滿語接近消亡。
The difference between traditional Manchu and Chinese is indeed very significant, even greater than the difference between Japanese or Korean and Chinese. Manchu belongs to the Tungusic language of Siberia, and the Manchu people migrated from Siberia to present-day northeastern China. There are not many people who can speak traditional Manchu now, and traditional Manchu is close to extinction.
滿大人（Mandarin）是漢語和滿語融合的產物，雖然還算是一種漢語，但是和明代（1368-1644）官話已經非常不同，也就是和漢語古音距離更遠。有些辛亥革命者（1911）認為滿大人（Mandarin）是一種入侵者的語言。孫中山本來想立廣東話為民國官話，但是最終南京的Mandarin成為民國官話。現在的台灣國語是基於南京Mandarin.而大陸Mandarin是基於北京Mandarin. 兩者在重音上有一些區別。
滿大人（Mandarin） is a product of the fusion of Chinese and Manchu languages. Although it is still considered a type of Chinese, it is very different from the official language of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), that is, it is further away from ancient Chinese pronunciation. Some revolutionaries of 1911 believed that Mandarin was a language of invaders. Sun Yat sen originally intended to establish Cantonese as the official language of the Republic of China, but in the end, Nanjing Mandarin became the official language of the Republic of China. The current TW Mandarin is based on Nanjing Mandarin . And the mainland Mandarin It is based on Beijing Mandarin. There are some differences in stress between the two.
1644年滿清統治者進入北京，因為滿語的詞匯量太少，對很多新事物不得不借用漢語，才形成了滿大人（Mandarin）這種怪味的多半漢少半滿的漢語。現在的東北話藏有更多的滿語詞彙。但是傳統滿語已經接近消亡，需要作為文化多樣性的遺產加以搶救。清朝時，滿漢不能通婚，但是滿蒙可以。蒙古語和滿語比較接近，確實也影響了漢語。現在很多中國蒙古族比較漢化，但是蒙古語仍然在流通。
In 1644, the rulers of the Qing Dynasty entered Beijing. Due to the limited vocabulary of the Manchu language, they had to borrow Chinese for many new things, which led to the formation of the strange and more half Chinese, less half Manchu Mandarin. The Northeastern dialect now contains more Manchu vocabulary. However, traditional Manchu language is approaching extinction and needs to be rescued as a cultural heritage of diversity. During the Qing Dynasty, intermarriage between Manchu and Han was not allowed, but it was allowed between Manchu and Mongolian. Mongolian and Manchu are relatively close, which has indeed influenced Chinese. Nowadays, many Chinese Mongolians are relatively sinicized, but Mongolian language is still in circulation.

現在仍然流通而且最接近古代漢語的是客家話，聽起來和Mandarin 非常不同。
The Hakka dialect, which is still in circulation and closest to ancient Chinese, sounds similar to Mandarin Very different.

 

[Learning always]

滿大人（Mandarin）是漢語和滿語融合的產物，雖然還算是一種漢語，但是和明代（1368-1644）官話已經非常不同，也就是和漢語古音距離更遠。
滿大人（Mandarin） is a product of the fusion of Chinese and Manchu languages. Although it is still considered a type of Chinese, it is very different from the official language of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), that is, it is further away from ancient Chinese pronunciation.

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