Madagascar and Australia, a question for creationists.

[Colter]

I don't agree and apparently you didn't understand the lecture on secular morality.
Also, you don't need to quote random verses to me since I don't care what a dusty old book has to say on morality.

I realize that your mind is made up before coming to a Christian forum to impress people with what you think is new. The lecture was simple to understand, the guy is promoting godless secularism as a presumably superior alternative to the values of religion. Some of his criticisms of religion are legitimate as religion is comprised of imperfect humans who graft error onto their institutions. He failed to mention that godless secularism has been tried, it has a long history as a rudderless ship.

 

[Skreeper]

He failed to mention that godless secularism has been tried, it has a long history as a rudderless ship.

Well it is superior to your moral system and a rudderless ship is still better than having no ship at all.

 

[JD16]

LOL

Paschal's Wager has nothing on you, does it?

Place your bets!

 

[Colter]

More preconceived ideas.

 

[AV1611VET]

Place your bets!

Thanks for the QED:

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[JD16]

Thanks for the QED:

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

If that is so, then lucky you, and all who have faith,...we Atheists are not meant to pass that gate,....it has been preordain

 

[Colter]

Place your bets!

Both will awake in the resurrection, both will realize that nothing was added except the fact of survival. You will pick up right where you left off on the world of your nativity. There will be new teachers there, you will have the opertunity to see the actual history of Earth. But the bond servant is not likly to abide in the Fathers house forever. You will eventually have to decide if you want to continue on. Judgment is so fair as to win the aproval of the judgment candidate themselves. If and when all are in agreement, including the judgment candidate as to the fairness of the proceeding, then and there the candidate of rejection is terminated, their names and transcripts obliterated, it becomes as if they never existed.

 

[Skreeper]

Both will awake in the resurrection, both will realize that nothing was added except the fact of survival. You will pick up right where you left off on the world of your nativity. There will be new teachers there, you will have the opertunity to see the actual history of Earth. But the bond servant is not likly to abide in the Fathers house forever. You will eventually have to decide if you want to continue on. Judgment is so fair as to win the aproval of the judgment candidate themselves. If and when all are in agreement, including the judgment candidate as to the fairness of the proceeding, then and there the candidate of rejection is terminated, their names and transcripts obliterated, it becomes as if they never existed.

Are you intentionally trying to be as cryptic as possible? I have a hard time understanding what exactly you're trying to convey with your posts. Something about judgment and candidates?

 

[USincognito]

What does any of this have to do with Creationism and Evolution or the fauna of Australia and Madagascar?

 

[Colter]

Are you intentionally trying to be as cryptic as possible? I have a hard time understanding what exactly you're trying to convey with your posts. Something about judgment and candidates?

We are born into an evolutionary world that first suffered the catistrophic default of a system sovereign, the Lucifer rebellion. Then the second more innocent default of Adam and Eve. With such confusion its likely that most will awake in the resurrection and afforded the opportunity to make a more informed descision about salvation.

Is that less cryptic?

 

[Colter]

What does any of this have to do with Creationism and Evolution or the fauna of Australia and Madagascar?

I don't know, I guess we ran out of Autralia stuff to talk about. I say it evolved over hundreds of millions of years, the YEC crowd says its like 6k old.

 

[Skreeper]

We are born into an evolutionary world that first suffered the catistrophic default of a system sovereign, the Lucifer rebellion. Then the second more innocent default of Adam and Eve. With such confusion its likely that most will awake in the resurrection and afforded the opportunity to make a more informed descision about salvation.

Is that less cryptic?

No that didn't help either. Let me try to rephrase and you tell me if I got it right:

"We are born into a world were evolution happens. This world first suffered under Lucifer (Side note: I consider Lucifer the good guy in the story) and then suffered because Adam and Eve ate an Apple. And now we are all apparently confused because we can make informed decisions."

 

[JD16]

No that didn't help either. Let me try to rephrase and you tell me if I got it right:

"We are born into a world were evolution happens. This world first suffered under Lucifer (Side note: I consider Lucifer the good guy in the story) and then suffered because Adam and Eve ate an Apple. And now we are all apparently confused because we can make informed decisions."

If I understand that, what Colter is trying to say is, when this universe was created, the first big setback was the rebellion of lucifer trying to upstage God, but thats not our fault, then Adam and Eve made another mistake, but since its not us (their descendant) who committed that sin, we are sinners but innocent to an extend(original sin concept) so when we die, we get a second chance (I think) to accept God or not ....

 

[AV1611VET]

If that is so, then lucky you, and all who have faith,...we Atheists are not meant to pass that gate,....it has been preordain

You are preordained to salvation, chief.

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

 

[JD16]

You are preordained to salvation, chief.

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Thats nice of you to say, but I first have to believe in it, and I'll be lying tru my teeth if I told you I did.....

 

[AV1611VET]

What does any of this have to do with Creationism and Evolution or the fauna of Australia and Madagascar?

I'm planting Scripture.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

1 Corinthians 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thats nice of you to say, but I first have to believe in it, and I'll be lying tru my teeth if I told you I did.....

I can only do so much, my friend ... I can only do so much.

I pray you will at least reconsider before ... well ... before the Grim Reaper shows up and says, "Your table's ready."

 

[JD16]

I can only do so much, my friend ... I can only do so much.

I pray you will at least reconsider before ... well ... before the Grim Reaper shows up and says, "Your table's ready."

Thanks for the concern, I know you truly believe, but please don't be disappointed if you fail to convince me,...countless others have tried and here I am lolz....I fear not death nor the consequences of being wrong, my concerns are with the present, here and now,...and to make a better world for my children and their children.

But should you return 'up there' before me....give me a sign so that I'll believe ya? something that can't be mistaken for anything else...

 

[AV1611VET]

But should you return 'up there' before me....give me a sign so that I'll believe ya? something that can't be mistaken for anything else...

I would if I could, JD, but the truth of the matter is:

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[JD16]

I would if I could, JD, but the truth of the matter is:

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Shoot! If you rose from the dead, I'll even believe in scientology if you told me too lolz