The Seventh Day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

[Bob S]

Bob, (and to you too Bug), I don't want to leave this part of this thread about the law without saying that I do NOT take the Lords name in vain. Not because it was a commandment, but because it would hurt my conscience to treat even His name with disrespect.

Your post was not addressed to me 1st, but I would like to tell you how much I have enjoyed the debate and I believe you are sincere. Now to taking the name of the Lord in vein. I differ with you I do believe in is a commandment not was as you indicate. It is one of God's command in the Law of Love. The Law of Love is how we are to treat our relationship with God,our fellow man and ourselves.

I love Him so much. In no way do I despise the Ten Commandments,

Nor do I. Some might believe I do, but they have not taken my posts to heart. Just because I know that the 10 were temporary they were still God's rules for Israel. Christians have been blessed with something so much more, the Holy Spirit, and when we allow Him to guide us we do not need the stones that were given to Israel only.

or make light of the fact you revere the 4th commandment above them all. I know why you do. The law is holy, but it couldn't save us. I also don't worship any other God than God, I paint pictures of Jesus but I don't worship my paintings. But knowing the true meaning of the Sabbath, I keep it better than a lot of so called Sabbath keepers. Entering into God's rest is not not working on the 7th day of the week, but having absolute trust in God everyday.

You have gleaned the real truth. Jesus invites us to enter His rest. It is not a once a week duty.

Trusting God, being anxious for absolutely nothing, complete faith in Him to not only give me eternal life, but peace and contentment now in the midst of being absolutely alone on this earth, poverty, old age, stiff joints, you name it, because of the sweet fellowship I have with God every moment of every day. My conscience is so highly sensitized I go to bed with a clear conscience from having done nothing willfully displeasing to my God every second throughout the day.

Life without our Savior would really be in vein. Thank you for your testimony.

A long time ago I learned obedience through suffering, and praise Him for that time of extreme spiritual growth. Now, my mind is ALWAYS on Him. "My sheep hear My voice." And I do literally hear Him. He even tells me what to pray so that I know it is His will, and then He makes it come to pass immediately. My testimony is not just knowing about the Bible stories, about the history, about the laws and prophets, about Jesus, but really KNOWING Him. Most importantly is LOVE. And by their fruit ye shall know them. If we can't love our brothers and sisters in the Lord, how can we love our enemies in the world? So what if one belongs to a denomination whose emphasis is on one thing, and another's denomination is on another aspect of the Bible that they believe is being overlooked. I learn something from them all, and I love it. And when I learn something new about Him, I get so excited, you would think I was a toddler seeing their first fireworks!

Thank you for letting us get to know you. Please keep spreading your love and your love for Jesus. It is heart warming. In Jesus, Bob

 

[Bob S]

Oh and by the way all four of our children attended Southern University. I believe one of them graduated in 86. They are all doing well in life so I am sure they got good educations. I personally graduated from HKU magna come loud.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Your post was not addressed to me 1st, but I would like to tell you how much I have enjoyed the debate and I believe you are sincere. Now to taking the name of the Lord in vein. I differ with you I do believe in is a commandment not was as you indicate. It is one of God's command in the Law of Love. The Law of Love is how we are to treat our relationship with God,our fellow man and ourselves.


Nor do I. Some might believe I do, but they have not taken my posts to heart. Just because I know that the 10 were temporary they were still God's rules for Israel. Christians have been blessed with something so much more, the Holy Spirit, and when we allow Him to guide us we do not need the stones that were given to Israel only.


You have gleaned the real truth. Jesus invites us to enter His rest. It is not a once a week duty.


Life without our Savior would really be in vein. Thank you for your testimony.


Thank you for letting us get to know you. Please keep spreading your love and your love for Jesus. It is heart warming. In Jesus, Bob

Thank you for your kind words, Bob. One thing though. I'm confused how in your first note you could have misunderstood revering God's name, and taking issue with what I said. Do we really need a law to command us if we love God from our heart. Or is it out of love for God that we revere His name and the Old Commandment is written on our heart? Why, because Jesus is in my heart to keep the first four for and through Him. That IS the law of love.

 

[JingshenBianxi]

"The SEVENTH day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God" Exodus 20:10

The Lord's Day!

“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words," Is 58:13

The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath day - Mark 2:28

So also the "Sabbath was made for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
From "Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23.



Until you read the actual Bible.

There you find that the "NEW Covenant" includes the LAW of God "written on the heart and mind" - Jeremiah 31:31-33.

And in Ephesians 6:2 we find that the 5th Commandment is the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN - that scripture calls the "TEN Commandments"

The New Covenant is made with "the house of Israel" and that includes all Christians in Hebrews 8:6-10.


And of course


Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1-4
Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
4 This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
Exodus 20:11

Matthew 12:8 - For the Son of Man is lord of the Sabbath.

This is when Jesus allowed the disciples to eat via plucking grain from the fields..they were hungry. But the Pharisees...or in our time ( 7th Day Adventist ) said...Look, your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the SABBATH.

And..seeing that Jesus is LORD..of the Sabbath..and we are under the New Covenant via...His Blood..this is how His Church does it now..

Acts 20:7 - On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul talked with them, intending to depart on the next day, and he prolonged his speech until midnight.

and..

1 Corinthians 16:1-2 - Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

Yes, the 7th Day is...Saturday....but...the Church that Jesus is HEAD of...meets on the first day of the week...Sunday.

 

[JingshenBianxi]

James 2:8-13 - If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, " You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the WHOLE law but fails in one point has become accountable for ALL OF IT. For he who said " Do not commit adultery, : also said " Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged UNDER THE LAW OF LIBERTY. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

7th Day Adventists are the greatest examples of what James was writing about in regards to showing PARTIALITY. So much emphasis on keeping the Sabbath, that now Jesus is LORD of, yet totally disregard adherence to the ENTIRE LAW that Jesus Himself fulfilled via dying on the cross.

Galatians 5:1-4 - For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the WHOLE LAW. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have FALLEN AWAY from Grace.

Here Paul is highlighting again, the danger of PARTIALITY. In this case, the Law of circumcision. IN THIS DAY, the upholding of the Sabbath is the new Partial OBEDIENCE to the OLD LAW. This is very hazardous because if you are adhering to the honoring of the Sabbath in this way, then you are under the Judgment of the WHOLE LAW as well, not just upholding the Sabbath...that means...the entire LEVITICAL LAW...Ceremonial Laws in regards to atonement for sin...even the little laws in regards to people being clean and unclean and the process in which they are to be clean. Men not shaving their beards and the hair around their temple. ALL OF THE LAW...you will be judged under if you continue to HIGHLIGHT adhering to the Sabbath.

So...if you going to be under A LAW...go ALL THE WAY...and follow the WHOLE LAW. In doing so....you will fall from Grace...Jesus Himself. But even in simply living as if you are justified with simply OBEYING THE SABBATH....you still have fallen from grace...because of partiality.

 

[JingshenBianxi]

On what day do you mow your lawn? Do you also on that day "worship God"? Of course you do. We all worship God every day. But every day is not a "day of worship".

There is but one "day of worship" even though there are "seven days in the week in which we worship".

John 4:21-24 - Jesus said to her, " Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father IN SPIRIT and TRUTH, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is SPIRIT, and those who worship him MUST worship IN SPIRIT and TRUTH.

It is to say, that NOW...Worship IS....all the time. THAT...is TRUE worship. GOD is SPIRIT...ALL THE TIME.

 

[1stcenturylady]

James 2:8-13 - If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, " You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the WHOLE law but fails in one point has become accountable for ALL OF IT. For he who said " Do not commit adultery, : also said " Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged UNDER THE LAW OF LIBERTY. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

7th Day Adventists are the greatest examples of what James was writing about in regards to showing PARTIALITY. So much emphasis on keeping the Sabbath, that now Jesus is LORD of, yet totally disregard adherence to the ENTIRE LAW that Jesus Himself fulfilled via dying on the cross.

Galatians 5:1-4 - For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the WHOLE LAW. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have FALLEN AWAY from Grace.

Here Paul is highlighting again, the danger of PARTIALITY. In this case, the Law of circumcision. IN THIS DAY, the upholding of the Sabbath is the new Partial OBEDIENCE to the OLD LAW. This is very hazardous because if you are adhering to the honoring of the Sabbath in this way, then you are under the Judgment of the WHOLE LAW as well, not just upholding the Sabbath...that means...the entire LEVITICAL LAW...Ceremonial Laws in regards to atonement for sin...even the little laws in regards to people being clean and unclean and the process in which they are to be clean. Men not shaving their beards and the hair around their temple. ALL OF THE LAW...you will be judged under if you continue to HIGHLIGHT adhering to the Sabbath.

So...if you going to be under A LAW...go ALL THE WAY...and follow the WHOLE LAW. In doing so....you will fall from Grace...Jesus Himself. But even in simply living as if you are justified with simply OBEYING THE SABBATH....you still have fallen from grace...because of partiality.

Speaking of James 2:8-13, the partiality is not which law to keep and which law to break, but about partiality regarding people and how not to give the best attention to the rich and famous, and treat the janitor as an outcast. How is that loving ALL neighbors as yourself?

Let me give you a tip. Read the Word of God in context. We want to know what our heavenly Father MEANS, not taking a verse out of context to prove what WE mean. So read at least 20 verses before and after to get the TRUE Words of God.

 

[BobRyan]

James 2:8-13 - If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, " You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the WHOLE law but fails in one point has become accountable for ALL OF IT. For he who said " Do not commit adultery, : also said " Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged UNDER THE LAW OF LIBERTY. For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

7th Day Adventists are the greatest examples of what James was writing about in regards to showing PARTIALITY.

Well... not in real life.

in real life those who affirm the non-deleted un-edited non-denied Commandments of God given by what James calls the "HE who SAID" -- are in fact promoting Jame's POV

So much emphasis on keeping the Sabbath, that now Jesus is LORD of

Which makes it the LORD's day.

In fact Hebrews 8:6-10 points out that it is Jesus speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai - because it is HE who is speaking the NEW Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-33 according to Hebrews 8.

Bible details do matter.

Galatians 5:1-4 - For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the WHOLE LAW. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have FALLEN AWAY from Grace.

Here Paul is NOT promoting taking God's name in vain OR breaking the Bible Sabbath.

 

[JingshenBianxi]

Well... not in real life.

in real life those who affirm the non-deleted un-edited non-denied Commandments of God given by what James calls the "HE who SAID" -- are in fact promoting Jame's POV



Which makes it the LORD's day.

In fact Hebrews 8:6-10 points out that it is Jesus speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai - because it is HE who is speaking the NEW Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-33 according to Hebrews 8.

Bible details do matter.

Galatians 5:1-4 - For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the WHOLE LAW. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have FALLEN AWAY from Grace.

Here Paul is NOT promoting taking God's name in vain OR breaking the Bible Sabbath.

Well, as scripture already told you. You will be judged according to the Law then.

 

[BobRyan]

On what day do you mow your lawn? Do you also on that day "worship God"? Of course you do. We all worship God every day. But every day is not a "day of worship". Every day is not an entire day devoted to worship a day on which secular employment, secular occupation would be violation of the Word of God.

There is but one "day of worship" even though there are "seven days in the week in which we worship".

God said "if a man will not work neither let him eat". Not working for all 7 days - would be sin. But working on God's day of worship is also violation of His word.

Which brings us to Mark 7:6-13.

So then a weekly day of Worship - and God selected it in Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:11

 

[BobRyan]

On what day do you mow your lawn? Do you also on that day "worship God"? Of course you do. We all worship God every day. But every day is not a "day of worship". Every day is not an entire day devoted to worship a day on which secular employment, secular occupation would be violation of the Word of God.

There is but one "day of worship" even though there are "seven days in the week in which we worship".

God said "if a man will not work neither let him eat". Not working for all 7 days - would be sin. But working on God's day of worship is also violation of His word.

Which brings us to Mark 7:6-13.

So then a weekly day of Worship - and God selected it in Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:11

John 4:21-24 - Jesus said to her, " Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father IN SPIRIT and TRUTH, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is SPIRIT, and those who worship him MUST worship IN SPIRIT and TRUTH.

Which was true before the cross - and after.

But does not say "every day you shall refrain from labor and rest as the Sabbath" in fact the NT condemns that. "he who will not work neither let him eat".

The Bible has but one weekly day of rest and worship - as the quote of the Bible above shows - it is the Bible Sabbath.

It is to say, that NOW...Worship IS....all the time. THAT...is TRUE worship. GOD is SPIRIT...ALL THE TIME. [/QUOTE]

 

[1stcenturylady]

Speaking of James 2:8-13, the partiality is not which law to keep and which law to break, but about partiality regarding people and how not to give the best attention to the rich and famous, and treat the janitor as an outcast. How is that loving ALL neighbors as yourself?

Let me give you a tip. Read the Word of God in context. We want to know what our heavenly Father MEANS, not taking a verse out of context to prove what WE mean. So read at least 20 verses before and after to get the TRUE Words of God.

What's funny? Or do you just like my cute raccoon?

 

[JingshenBianxi]

So then a weekly day of Worship - and God selected it in Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:11



Which was true before the cross - and after.

But does not say "every day you shall refrain from labor and rest as the Sabbath" in fact the NT condemns that. "he who will not work neither let him eat".

The Bible has but one weekly day of rest and worship - as the quote of the Bible above shows - it is the Bible Sabbath.

It is to say, that NOW...Worship IS....all the time. THAT...is TRUE worship. GOD is SPIRIT...ALL THE TIME.

[/QUOTE]

Surely you realize that honoring the Sabbath isn't the only form of worship. Obviously I'm not advocating for doing absolutely NOTHING..7 days a week. That's ridiculous and false doctrine. But I know what true Worship is in it's TOTALITY where as you are focusing on one aspect of Worship.

 

[JingshenBianxi]

What's funny? Or do you just like my cute raccoon?

#Sarcasm

 

[JingshenBianxi]

Surely you realize that honoring the Sabbath isn't the only form of worship. Obviously I'm not advocating for doing absolutely NOTHING..7 days a week. That's ridiculous and false doctrine. But I know what true Worship is in it's TOTALITY where as you are focusing on one aspect of Worship. [/QUOTE]

Genesis 22:5 - Then Abraham said to his young men, “Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy will go over there and worship and come again to you.”

In closing..

Proverbs 4:7 - Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes, the 7th Day is...Saturday....but...the Church that Jesus is HEAD of...meets on the first day of the week...Sunday.

Just so we are clear, no where does Paul or anyone else say there was a deliberate change from the 7th day to the first day of the week to worship God. It was no longer a law either way. According to Hebrews 4, entering God's rest has to do with trusting God through Christ. The Children of Israel NEVER entered into His rest, even though they had the Sabbath, so spiritually, His rest isn't a day of the week. Therefore, if you do or don't want to worship on Sunday, you are not breaking any law. Sunday was merely tradition, not law, because of the change in Covenants. The Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments with the Sabbath as the sign of the covenant, was given on the same day a couple thousand years earlier that the New Covenant came into being on the Day of Pentecost, whose sign of the covenant was the cup representing Christ's blood, and it just happened to be by design on Sunday, the same day of the week that Christ rose from the dead. Now, we die to sin and rise from dead works to faith in Christ, to enter the 8th day - eternity.

 

[1stcenturylady]

#Sarcasm

Is there an emoji for sticking my tongue out at you? LOL

 

[JingshenBianxi]

Just so we are clear, no where does Paul or anyone else say there was a deliberate change from the 7th day to the first day of the week to worship God. It was no longer a law either way. According to Hebrews 4, entering God's rest has to do with trusting God through Christ. The Children of Israel NEVER entered into His rest, even though they had the Sabbath, so spiritually, His rest isn't a day of the week. Therefore, if you do or don't want to worship on Sunday, you are not breaking any law. Sunday was merely tradition, not law, because of the change in Covenants. The Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments with the Sabbath as the sign of the covenant, was given on the same day a couple thousand years earlier that the New Covenant came into being on the Day of Pentecost, whose sign of the covenant was the cup representing Christ's blood, and it just happened to be by design on Sunday, the same day of the week that Christ rose from the dead. Now, we die to sin and rise from dead works to faith in Christ, to enter the 8th day - eternity.

Tell me something I don't know.

 

[BobRyan]

You said concerning the Bible Sabbath

It was no longer a law either way. .

If the NEW Earth of Rev 21 is not after the cross - then having "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 might still be able to fit your statement. But a lot of people are thinking the New Earth is after the cross and for all eternity -- including me. So we may differ at that point.

And of course in Romans 3:19-20 Paul makes it clear that the same LAW of God that has always defined sin and condemned all mankind as sinners - in all of time -- "is established" by our faith Romans 3:31 rather than deleted by it.

 

[BobRyan]

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Isaiah 66:23 -- for all eternity, after the cross, in the New Earth when ALL MANkIND are people of God.

Surely you realize that honoring the Sabbath isn't the only form of worship. Obviously I'm not advocating for doing absolutely NOTHING..7 days a week. That's ridiculous and false doctrine. But I know what true Worship is in it's TOTALITY where as you are focusing on one aspect of Worship.

1 John 5:2-3 says that we show Love for God by keeping His commandments -- I simply "agree".
Rev 14:12 says the saints "Keep the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" -- I simply "agree"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" -- again... I "agree"

Mark 7:6-13 -- I agree to this one as well - but you might want to take a close look at what is being said there about sidestepping/downsizing/editing one of the TEN Commandments.