The Seventh Day is the SABBATH of the Lord thy God Exodus 20:10

[bugkiller]

In the actual Bible - we have this --

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

These are all non believers. Believers do not need to be persuaded.

Instead of 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and did not persuade either Jews or Greeks to accept Christianity.

Why would believers (Christians) blaspheme?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

These are all non believers. Believers do not need to be persuaded.

Jews and gentiles persuaded to become Christians - are then Christians and so "Every Sabbath" they worship Christ.

What is more - for NT Christians "Moses is preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" Acts 15.

For Christians "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
For Christians "our faith ESTABLISHES the law" Romans 3:31
For Christians the Ten Commandment unit applies as is shown in Ephesians 6:2

For Christians - it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain"

 

[BobRyan]

Law (fundamental belief 19)—the Law of God is "embodied in the Ten Commandments", which continue to be binding upon Christians.

Sabbath (fundamental belief 20)—the Sabbath should be observed on the seventh day of the week, specifically, from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

Conditional immortality (fundamental belief 27)—The wicked will not suffer eternal torment in hell, but instead will be permanently destroyed. (See: Conditional immortality, Annihilationism)

Spirit of Prophecy (fundamental belief 18)—The ministry of Ellen G. White is commonly referred to as the "Spirit of Prophecy" and her writings are considered "a continuing and authoritative source of truth",[27] though ultimately subject to the Bible. (See: Inspiration of Ellen White)


PLEASE PROVIDE SUPPORTING SCRIPTURE !
OR...CONTRARY SCRIPTURE!

If you start a thread on that subject - I will join it -- but it would derail this topic -- unless you can show that only Seventh-day Adventists post in favor of God's Ten Commandments .

(And my signature line refutes the notion that only SDAs affirm the TEN Commandments as being included in the moral law of God - or that only SDAs on this forum affirm the Bible detail that the "seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD(YHWH) Thy God" as given to mankind in Eden Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 20:8-11)



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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

[BobRyan]

Are Seventh Day Adventists true Christ-followers ?

Yes they are as even Christianity Today points out - they are the 5th largest Christian denomination in the World and the fastest growing. They are similar in many ways to Seventh-day Baptists but there are some distinctive beliefs in the SDA church that differ with Seventh-day Baptists - for example we do not reject the Spiritual Gifts in 1 Corinthians 12

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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Ron.
You quoted the following verse and such an important verse.
2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Not of the letter, meaning not of the written law, but of the Spirit. The written law kills, but only the Spirit grants life.

Sola scriptura?

Yes the "New Covenant" can't get enough of quoting what it actually says in response to those who bring up that topic.

-- Hebrews 8 is an exact quote of Jeremiah 31:31-33

Heb 8
8“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

 

[BobRyan]

Romans 2
26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

Heb 8
8“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

Like many other Christians on this board -- I am a New Covenant Christian..

In Gal 1:6-9 there is only ONE Gospel.

The NEW Covenant is that Gospel - it has adoption as children of God, AND forgiveness of sins.

Only ONE Gospel - and that Gospel was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8

All God's Children who are adopted into the family of God - born-again believers "know God" - just as Christ points out in John 14.


It is true for believers - for those who are born again.

Matthew 16
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.


1 John 2
26 These things I have written to you concerning those who are trying to deceive you. 27 As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

You are promoting only Israeli are subject to this covenant which goes directly against the evidence recorded in Acts to Peter's amazement.

Are you reading the actual post??

Here -- I will help...


Romans 2
26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

Heb 8
8“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

Like many other Christians on this board -- I am a New Covenant Christian..

In Gal 1:6-9 there is only ONE Gospel.

The NEW Covenant is that Gospel - it has adoption as children of God, AND forgiveness of sins.

Only ONE Gospel - and that Gospel was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8

All God's Children who are adopted into the family of God - born-again believers "know God" - just as Christ points out in John 14.

 

[Bob S]

Please read the Ten Commandments here Exodus 20 and notice that Christians are not supposed to take God's name in vain - even though that commandment is the only one never quoted in the NT. Even though Christians are hearing the Gospel "every Sabbath" In Acts 18:4

Pastor Bob, why do you try to derail my post with something you want? I will gladly respond to your questions when you give an account of why Paul would tell us that the 10 commandments were temporary. Why do you refuse to comment on 2Cor3:7-11? Could it be that veils cover faces so that like the Israelites Sabbath observers cannot see what has faded? Would it be that what Paul wrote blows up the whole SDA theory that we are under the ritual Sabbath law that was given to Israel only? Could it be that the 10 along with the remainder of Torah really ended at Calvary where Jesus ratified the new covenant with His own blood? Could it be that being paid by that organization to defend what SDAs teach men will teach it even if it does not correspond to what the Bible teaches? When I read that the Sabbath is a shadow why would I take what you write in defense rather than the written Word? Col2:16-17

2Cor3
12 Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. 13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

 

[BobRyan]

Pastor Bob, why do you try to derail my post with something you want?

Wha-huh?? derail "your post"??

Only you can do that - you are the only one that can edit your own post and change it.

This thread is my thread - the subject is this "The seventh day the SABBATH of the LORD (YHWH) thy God"

The only "derailing" that CAN happen (by definition) is that someone would add a post that does not have anything to do with the subject of this thread.

so "once again" I find your logic "illusive"

 

[1stcenturylady]

Let's start by actually quoting the New Covenant -

Like I did so many times here -



in that example -- Hebrews 8 is an exact quote of Jeremiah 31:31-33

Heb 8
8“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

So then under the New Covenant - under the ONE Gospel - the LAW of God known to Jeremiah is written on the heart and mind.

No wonder even the majority of pro-sunday scholars admit that the Ten Commandments are included in the still-binding moral law of God.

And notice what Paul says in Ephesians 6:2 - what Law is he quoting??

Sorry to make you repeat, again, what you've said to others. You were very generous in copying it here just for ME!

I know everything there is to know about what you are saying. Ever hear of Southern Missionary College? It's been renamed. I think it is now called Adventist University. I went to Adventist schools all my life. I still love Seventh-day Adventists. I knew EGW's granddaughter, and believe EGW's heart was in the right place. This is why I asked for a book of all her visions, having had visions myself, and also know His voice when He speaks directly to me. I praise God for that background. I'm like Paul, who used to be a Pharisee (not comparing SDA with Pharisees!) and knew the Law backwards and forwards. It could be why he was the most prolific writer of the NT. He certainly grew up knowing more than the fishermen.

Just wanted to introduce myself before we go on... And be warned, I haven't read this whole thread so we may be discussing things you've already discussed, just maybe not with someone with my background. But you can use your copy and paste when necessary if your fingers are tired. Okay?

 

[BobRyan]

Luke 22:20 OLD covenant = keep my OT Laws and offer blood sacrifices

In the OT we have
Ex 20:7 do not take God's name in vain
Deut 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart
Lev 19:18 - Love your neighbor as yourself.

When in Matthew 22 Jesus is asked which of all the moral laws in the OT are the most important -- He quoted Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5.

Does not mean we can take God's name in vain -- but those two OT laws are deemed as the foundation for all the rest.

 

[BobRyan]

Just wanted to introduce myself before we go on... And be warned, I haven't read this whole thread so we may be discussing things you've already discussed, just maybe not with someone with my background. But you can use your copy and paste when necessary if your fingers are tired. Okay?

Thanks for the background... welcome to the board... glad to share some ideas with you. My wife and I also went to Southern. In my case I went there for a year then went to Andrews for some Biophysics and then computer science at another university.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Thanks for the background... welcome to the board... glad to share some ideas with you. My wife and I also went to Southern. In my case I went there for a year then went to Andrews for some Biophysics and then computer science at another university.

My father went to Andrews for medical training. He had to quit, though before becoming a doctor.

What year did you and your wife go to Southern? It was 68-69 for me.

 

[BobRyan]

My father went to Andrews for medical training. He had to quit, though before becoming a doctor.

What year did you and your wife go to Southern? It was 68-69 for me.

76-77

My dad graduated from med school - at Loma Linda

My uncle was editor of These Times

Clifford Goldstein, Martin Weber and I were in a sort of weekly lunch and learn - probably mostly for the purpose of keeping me in line -- but I enjoyed it.

I was a SS teacher in a church along with a guy who was a Pastor getting his PH.D in NT languages at Chapel Hill. He worked in the philosophy and religion dept for the head of the dept -- a guy by the name of Bart Ehrman... perhaps you have heard of him. He gets interviewed on a lot of the history and discovery channel programs that want to talk about Bible topics. Carl arranged a debate with Bart on campus as part of his teaching schedule there - I thought the event was pretty interesting.

 

[1stcenturylady]

76-77

My dad graduated from med school - at Loma Linda

My uncle was editor of These Times

Clifford Goldstein, Martin Weber and I were in a sort of weekly lunch and learn - probably mostly for the purpose of keeping me in line -- but I enjoyed it.

I don't recognize those names. I remember my Bible professor, but he had gray hair and might not have still been teaching by the time you got there. His wife was crippled. He had accidentally hurt her in a car accident, so married her because he had crippled her and she probably wouldn't ever marry if he hadn't. He never said he loved her, though. He told everyone that story - do you know who I'm talking about? I can't recall his name - having a "senior moment." LOL The letter "H" comes to mind.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't recognize those names. I remember my Bible professor, but he had gray hair and might not have still been teaching by the time you got there. His wife was crippled. He had accidentally hurt her in a car accident, so married her because he had crippled her and she probably wouldn't ever marry if he hadn't. He never said he loved her, though. He told everyone that story - do you know who I'm talking about? I can't recall his name - having a "senior moment." LOL The letter "H" comes to mind.

That's a new one on me.

 

[bugkiller]

Jews and gentiles persuaded to become Christians - are then Christians and so "Every Sabbath" they worship Christ.

You are adding to Scripture.

What is more - for NT Christians "Moses is preached every Sabbath in the Synagogues" Acts 15.

No Moses was not preached to Christians from old times per -

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

You changed the Scripture.

For Christians "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

Which means to you -

For Christians "our faith ESTABLISHES the law" Romans 3:31

Which means to you -

For Christians the Ten Commandment unit applies as is shown in Ephesians 6:2

Paul is not addressing Christians in your reference. Besides that Paul also wrote - Now we are delivered (severed) from the law.. You should have that memorized by now as often as I quote it.

For Christians - it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain"

Yeppers it is sin. That in no way proves the Christian or anyone else is keeping the law.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Yes they are as even Christianity Today points out - they are the 5th largest Christian denomination in the World and the fastest growing. They are similar in many ways to Seventh-day Baptists but there are some distinctive beliefs in the SDA church that differ with Seventh-day Baptists - for example we do not reject the Spiritual Gifts in 1 Corinthians 12

==============================

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

YOUR source is a religious publication with no affiliation. MY source indicates SDA is a religious christian cult. Now we are even.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Sola scriptura?

Yes the "New Covenant" can't get enough of quoting what it actually says in response to those who bring up that topic.

-- Hebrews 8 is an exact quote of Jeremiah 31:31-33

Heb 8
8“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

What does v 9 of your quote say?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

What does v 9 of your quote say?

bugkiller

The Law external on stone - or the same law internal written on the human heart - the one with "do not take God's name in vain still in it"?

 

[bugkiller]

Are you reading the actual post??

Here -- I will help...


Romans 2
26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Please explain how a Christian is a Jew inwardly.

Romans 9
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

"Children of promise" are not Jews (Israeli).

Heb 8
8“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

Like many other Christians on this board -- I am a New Covenant Christian.

Impossible. You do not believe in a NC per se. You believe in an extended and amended covenant.

In Gal 1The :6-9 there is only ONE Gospel.

The law is not the Gospel. The one Gospel is Jesus. This was preached in the forms of promise and prophecy.

The NEW Covenant is that Gospel - it has adoption as children of God, AND forgiveness of sins.

Only ONE Gospel - and that Gospel was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8

The one Gospel is Jesus. This was preached in the forms of promise and prophecy.

All God's Children who are adopted into the family of God - born-again believers "know God" - just as Christ points out in John 14.

What verse(s) do you have in mind? or are you saying more than what is in JN 14?

bugkiller