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Gentiles were wicked and sinful and pagan and called not his people ... yet found mercy and heard the word of the lord and eventually called "the sons of God"

Interesting point.
Lets look at some scripture:

At Mt. Sinai, Yahweh said Israel was the "kingly priesthood," the "holy nation," the "peculiar people of God" (Ex 19:5-7). And St. Peter claims that the christians are this very people: "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God" (1 Peter 2:9-10).

Also, Israel was known as "the circumcision" (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30), for that was their physical mark of distinction. St. Paul explicitly says that unbelieving Jews were "false circumcision," and states that the Christian sect was the true circumcision: "Beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:2-3).

The "church" is Israel and is Jewish (not gentile) in its origin:
Acts 7:38
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers

Acts 2:47
And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. [Note that this "church" exists prior to any gentile inclusion, thus is believing Israel]

The blind disobedient part of Israel was an enemy; but the ELECT and obedient part of Israel was beloved (the apostles, Joseph and Mary, John the baptist, converts like Paul, and all their jewish followers). True Israel passes to the obedient sons (Rom 9:27-29/Rom 11:2-5/1 Cor 10:2-5), and the disobedient sons are cut off from God and the covenant (Acts 3:22-24; cf. Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15). The REMNANT part of Israel was saved (Rom 9:27-29/Rom 11:2-5).

It is crucial to understand that covenant-breaking Hebrews were always removed from among the true people of God (Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15). Moreover, gentile foreigners who converted and faithfully followed the precepts of Moses and the covenant were counted as full members of Israel (Ex 12:48-49). So it was with the gentiles of the apostles' day, who joined themselves to the Jewish church of the Jewish messiah.
 
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Hello, I'm new here but I have something to share with the Church to Edify it. I am a Messianic Jew and wish to remain anonymous so I use my house name Jachin and my tribe's name Simeon for identity for obvious reasons to follow. Here is a small part of my witness (not all of it) the cause of which, at this time, I can not reveal.
I have been communicating with a Cheribium Angel of the type Ezekiel described in the Bible for the last 2 years. When I was first aware of him I challenged him as instructed of me in the Bible in 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. He sang the answer back to me. Basically he sang that Jesus was God's Christ come in the flesh, died for our sins and was raised in the flesh for our Justification. I then asked him if he was an angel of the Lord and he bowed deeply and said yes. This proved to me he is an Angel of the Lord.
He is currently assigned as my wife's guardian.
I have basically studied the Bible and ask questions of it that no man can know the answers. He has filled in alot of missing information but has never contradicted the Bible. One day while reading Revelation chapter 12 I asked him if it were possible to know what the sign of verses 1&2 meant. He said it was possible for a man to find this out but because it was so I would have to search this out. He said he would confirm it for me when I did find it.
I spent the next 4 months pouring over planetary alignments on various dates and when I finally found the date he confirmed it for me. The date was November 22, 2065. He said this day marked the beginning of the Tribulation Period, the last 3 and 1/2 years before Jesus comes to rule the Earth. The sign appears at midday over Jerusalem. Search it out if you wish, it is a Venus-Jupiter Occultation that happens on that day almost hid by the Sun.
I then asked him if it were possible to know the season and the year of the Rapture. He said yes but again I would have to search this out before he would confirm it. So I got to work.
It took another 2 months to search this out. While doing so I came to realize that this would drive an Astrophysicist insane if he tried to take this to task without spiritual discernment. Without God and the Angel guiding me this would have been impossible to find. But I did figure it out using the date given above, planet maps and dates and a little guess work on God's tender mercies on his children. The Angel confirmed what I found and gave more information on the Rapture that surprised me. I was taught from childhood that the Rapture would happen in one day in a blink of the eye but he corrected me. The day Jesus returns will be in a blink of an eye. But he also reminded me that no man knows the day or hour of the rapture, not even an Angel.
This Angel confirmed that the Rapture will occur in between September 22 and November 22 of the year 2065. Now comes the kicker, Lol.
He told me that the Rapture is a 3 day process designed to save as many people as possible from experiencing God's wrath by having them believe on Jesus the Son of God. Here's how he laid it out for me...

1st Day of the Rapture - The Dead in Christ Arise in full view of mankind and undeniable.

2nd Day of the Rapture - All living persons who are of Christ ages 25 years on down will transfigure in full view of mankind and undeniable. This includes all innocent people (those with childlike minds) and unborn children from their mother's wombs. God will not let an innocent experience his wrath in the Tribulation Period, because of this no child will be born to mankind during that time. Also Rapturing that day will be those who believed on Jesus because of the witness of the Resurrection of the dead from the 1st day of the years 25 and down.

3rd Day of the Rapture - Everyone else 26 years and up living in Christ will transfigure in full view and undeniable to mankind. This will include those who converted to Jesus because of the witness of the Previous 2 days of the Rapture regardless of their age.

Of the Tribulation period there will be converts both Gentile and Jew but there will be less Gentile conversions than Jew. And they will all suffer persecution during the Tribulation Period for the witness of Jesus, God's Christ.

There will be no signs given in the Heavens for the Rapture. This is because we live in the Age of grace and Faith is all we are to work with. Also I can give only scripture as to any verification of what I have written, 1st Corinthians 2:13 and 1st Thessalonians 5:20. For those with the Faith to receive it, search it out.

I am a humble servant of Jehovah Sabaoth and my witness is true.

Given in God's Peace and Love to those who love him for the edification of the future Church.
Did you ever ask this angel why he was allowed to go above the LORD?
 
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Hello, I'm new here but I have something to share with the Church to Edify it. I am a Messianic Jew and wish to remain anonymous so I use my house name Jachin and my tribe's name Simeon for identity for obvious reasons to follow. Here is a small part of my witness (not all of it) the cause of which, at this time, I can not reveal.
I have been communicating with a Cheribium Angel of the type Ezekiel described in the Bible for the last 2 years. When I was first aware of him I challenged him as instructed of me in the Bible in 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. He sang the answer back to me. Basically he sang that Jesus was God's Christ come in the flesh, died for our sins and was raised in the flesh for our Justification. I then asked him if he was an angel of the Lord and he bowed deeply and said yes. This proved to me he is an Angel of the Lord.
He is currently assigned as my wife's guardian.
I have basically studied the Bible and ask questions of it that no man can know the answers. He has filled in alot of missing information but has never contradicted the Bible. One day while reading Revelation chapter 12 I asked him if it were possible to know what the sign of verses 1&2 meant. He said it was possible for a man to find this out but because it was so I would have to search this out. He said he would confirm it for me when I did find it.
I spent the next 4 months pouring over planetary alignments on various dates and when I finally found the date he confirmed it for me. The date was November 22, 2065. He said this day marked the beginning of the Tribulation Period, the last 3 and 1/2 years before Jesus comes to rule the Earth. The sign appears at midday over Jerusalem. Search it out if you wish, it is a Venus-Jupiter Occultation that happens on that day almost hid by the Sun.
I then asked him if it were possible to know the season and the year of the Rapture. He said yes but again I would have to search this out before he would confirm it. So I got to work.
It took another 2 months to search this out. While doing so I came to realize that this would drive an Astrophysicist insane if he tried to take this to task without spiritual discernment. Without God and the Angel guiding me this would have been impossible to find. But I did figure it out using the date given above, planet maps and dates and a little guess work on God's tender mercies on his children. The Angel confirmed what I found and gave more information on the Rapture that surprised me. I was taught from childhood that the Rapture would happen in one day in a blink of the eye but he corrected me. The day Jesus returns will be in a blink of an eye. But he also reminded me that no man knows the day or hour of the rapture, not even an Angel.
This Angel confirmed that the Rapture will occur in between September 22 and November 22 of the year 2065. Now comes the kicker, Lol.
He told me that the Rapture is a 3 day process designed to save as many people as possible from experiencing God's wrath by having them believe on Jesus the Son of God. Here's how he laid it out for me...

1st Day of the Rapture - The Dead in Christ Arise in full view of mankind and undeniable.

2nd Day of the Rapture - All living persons who are of Christ ages 25 years on down will transfigure in full view of mankind and undeniable. This includes all innocent people (those with childlike minds) and unborn children from their mother's wombs. God will not let an innocent experience his wrath in the Tribulation Period, because of this no child will be born to mankind during that time. Also Rapturing that day will be those who believed on Jesus because of the witness of the Resurrection of the dead from the 1st day of the years 25 and down.

3rd Day of the Rapture - Everyone else 26 years and up living in Christ will transfigure in full view and undeniable to mankind. This will include those who converted to Jesus because of the witness of the Previous 2 days of the Rapture regardless of their age.

Of the Tribulation period there will be converts both Gentile and Jew but there will be less Gentile conversions than Jew. And they will all suffer persecution during the Tribulation Period for the witness of Jesus, God's Christ.

There will be no signs given in the Heavens for the Rapture. This is because we live in the Age of grace and Faith is all we are to work with. Also I can give only scripture as to any verification of what I have written, 1st Corinthians 2:13 and 1st Thessalonians 5:20. For those with the Faith to receive it, search it out.

I am a humble servant of Jehovah Sabaoth and my witness is true.

Given in God's Peace and Love to those who love him for the edification of the future Church.
Why is your wife's angel coming to you and not your own angel?

And why isn't CHRIST speaking to you?
 
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I've never claimed to be a prophet. I'm an imperfect vessel used to test the faith of others. If you have the faith to perceive the truth receive it. If not then no harm meant to you brother, just ignore it.
Have a Blessed Life in Jesus!
Used to test the faith of others?
 
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If we are to believe scripture, they are required for Atonement of Sins and acceptance by Jesus:

Ezekiel 40:39

In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.


Ezekiel 42:13

the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;


Ezekiel 43:20

'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.


Ezekiel 43:21

'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering


Ezekiel 43:22

'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering


Ezekiel 43:27

'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU.



For some reason, in your version of the Millennial Kingdom, Jesus "once for all", Sacrificing atonement on the Cross becomes Null and Void, entirely powerless and ineffectual to atone for any ones sin. That power gets transferred BACK to The Blood of Bulls and Goats.

Yeah I understand your point and it's a good one... again I don't understand why sacrifices are required during the messianic age.. my only guess would be because when someone sins atonement must be made for Jesus to forgive them rather than pass judgement upon them.....but it's clear that when he reigns on earth those things will take place



Won't "Every Eye" be able to see him without travelling to Israel?

I don't believe so .. do you? If so how is that possible?

As far as I know every eye will see him when they are gathered to him ... yes travel :)





And of Flesh, if scripture is to be believed:

Ezekiel 44:9

'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary

If one lives in Israel and is a gentile then they must be circumcised it seems...
 
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Interesting point.
Lets look at some scripture:

At Mt. Sinai, Yahweh said Israel was the "kingly priesthood," the "holy nation," the "peculiar people of God" (Ex 19:5-7). And St. Peter claims that the christians are this very people: "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God" (1 Peter 2:9-10).

I don't think that's correct... we have better promises within the new covenant ...we are not as Israel in the flesh who seek earthly things we seek heavenly things ...well... except preterist :)

To be fair .. some Christians, Israel, messianics and Muslims seek an earthly kingdom

But many Christians believe in a heavenly kingdom to live in heaven for at least a 1000 years until the new heaven and new earth is formed


But the body of Christ promises and Israel promises are indeed different


Also, Israel was known as "the circumcision" (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30), for that was their physical mark of distinction. St. Paul explicitly says that unbelieving Jews were "false circumcision," and states that the Christian sect was the true circumcision: "Beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:2-3).

Yes ..We are the true circumcised .. i would say we are spiritual israel... to receive spiritual promises... an exodus to heaven

There is a natural Israel as well who have received certain promises.... the new covenant will not make void what God promises to the Jews and the new covenant will make those promises a reality

The "church" is Israel and is Jewish (not gentile) in its origin:
Acts 7:38
This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers

church just means assembly ... there was an assembly in the wilderness yes



Acts 2:47
And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. [Note that this "church" exists prior to any gentile inclusion, thus is believing Israel ]

Yes an assembly of Jewish people entered into the new covenant and more were being added daily



The blind disobedient part of Israel was an enemy; but the ELECT and obedient part of Israel was beloved (the apostles, Joseph and Mary, John the baptist, converts like Paul, and all their jewish followers). True Israel passes to the obedient sons (Rom 9:27-29/Rom 11:2-5/1 Cor 10:2-5), and the disobedient sons are cut off from God and the covenant (Acts 3:22-24; cf. Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15). The REMNANT part of Israel was saved (Rom 9:27-29/Rom 11:2-5).

Yes and also a remnant of All the tribes of Israel will also be saved during the return of the lord as the prophets spoke to them

It is crucial to understand that covenant-breaking Hebrews were always removed from among the true people of God (Gen 17:14; Lev 18:29; Num 15:30; Ex 12:15). Moreover, gentile foreigners who converted and faithfully followed the precepts of Moses and the covenant were counted as full members of Israel (Ex 12:48-49). So it was with the gentiles of the apostles' day, who joined themselves to the Jewish church of the Jewish messiah.

yes I agree

But I believe in the future new Jews will be born and grow to maturity and may have not have heard the gospel of Jesus because of a certain predicted falling away from the faith yet to happen...

that it's highly possible that the new covenant teachings will be scarce because of rise of trial and persecution against such teachings and the rise of false prophets and false messiahs which I believe to be a false messianic age

In any case the gospel will be given to those future Jews who will receive the one who comes in the name of the lord ... and a literal kingdom will be set up In Jerusalem which is clear from the prophets
 
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Why is your wife's angel coming to you and not your own angel?

And why isn't CHRIST speaking to you?

My angel won't speak nor appear to me either ..:)

I saw an angel once ...for real ... at least I think it was an angel :)

I was lying on a hideaway couch with my baby nephew in my moms apartment.....then something awoke me and I turn and saw a figure standing about 3 or 5 feet away my nephew side of the bed reaching out for my nephew but did not move ...his arms reach out for him like a statue...my nephew head was stuck in a hole in the hideaway bed ... when I awoke and saw him standing and reaching out and I turn to see what he was reaching out for and I heard a noise coming from the baby ... which I immediately pick him up out of the hole and laid him beside me then turn to go back to sleep ...this all happened quickly ... like boom boom boom

After that ... laying on my side I thought to myself... "who was that"? A small chill came over me but I just said to myself must have been my mom who was asleep in the other room .. I took a peek to see if she was up but she was sound asleep in her bed
And I saw no sign of the figure anywhere

The next morning I asked my mom if she got up to check on the baby .... she said no...

She is not known for sleep walking....so then I assume it must have been an angel.....

granted it was a dark room and it could have been my mom sleep walking by God just that one single time sent to help the baby... who knows :)
 
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St. Paul said that when the nation was in mass apostasy, the TRUE Israel was carried on not through the lineages of the wicked sons but rather through the OBEDIENT FEW (called the "remnant"), such as was true in Isaiah's day (Romans 9:27-29) and Elijah's day (Romans 11:3-5).
I'm part of the remnant. Chapter and verse where we are called the "True Israel." Or any verse in the NT that talks about a "True Israel" or "New Israel."
 
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Are you trying to confuse me....race is not a factor in the sense that all people can be saved and redeemed ... but specific promises are given to the Jews and specific promises are given to the church

In the following passage Israel and the Church cannot be separated.
Christ is the fulfillment of the promises made to the Jewish people in the Old Testament. He said so on the road to Emmaus.


Luk 24:27  And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. 


The passage below contains the exact promise of the New Covenant made to the Jewish people in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
The passage starts and stops with text showing that Christ fulfilled this promise of the New Covenant found in the Hebrew scriptures. The uppercase text comes from Jeremiah chapter 31.


Heb 8:6  But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. 
Heb 8:7  For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 
Heb 8:8  Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— 
Heb 8:9  NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD. 
Heb 8:10  FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. 
Heb 8:11  NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM. 
(Read John 14:26 to see that all in the New Covenant have their own internal teacher in the form of the Holy Spirit.)
Heb 8:12  FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." 
Heb 8:13  In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. 


God sent His Son, His only Son to die so that people of all races can have eternal life through His Son's sacrifice on the Cross.

When Jesus said on the Cross... "It is finished." that is what He meant. (John 19:30)

He fulfilled every promise.

He revealed at the Last Supper that He would fulfill the promise in His Blood.

Mat 26:28  For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 

I am not trying to confuse.
I am trying to show that Christ is the seed promised in Genesis 3:15 and Genesis 12:3.
The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in Matthew 1:1.
The whole Bible is about Him. He wrote it. (John 1:1)


In the verse below Paul reveals that the promise was made to only one seed.

Gal 3:16  Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ. 

 
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Hello, I'm new here but I have something to share with the Church to Edify it. I am a Messianic Jew and wish to remain anonymous so I use my house name Jachin and my tribe's name Simeon for identity for obvious reasons to follow. Here is a small part of my witness (not all of it) the cause of which, at this time, I can not reveal.
I have been communicating with a Cheribium Angel of the type Ezekiel described in the Bible for the last 2 years. When I was first aware of him I challenged him as instructed of me in the Bible in 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. He sang the answer back to me. Basically he sang that Jesus was God's Christ come in the flesh, died for our sins and was raised in the flesh for our Justification. I then asked him if he was an angel of the Lord and he bowed deeply and said yes. This proved to me he is an Angel of the Lord.
He is currently assigned as my wife's guardian.
I have basically studied the Bible and ask questions of it that no man can know the answers. He has filled in alot of missing information but has never contradicted the Bible. One day while reading Revelation chapter 12 I asked him if it were possible to know what the sign of verses 1&2 meant. He said it was possible for a man to find this out but because it was so I would have to search this out. He said he would confirm it for me when I did find it.
I spent the next 4 months pouring over planetary alignments on various dates and when I finally found the date he confirmed it for me. The date was November 22, 2065. He said this day marked the beginning of the Tribulation Period, the last 3 and 1/2 years before Jesus comes to rule the Earth. The sign appears at midday over Jerusalem. Search it out if you wish, it is a Venus-Jupiter Occultation that happens on that day almost hid by the Sun.
I have no problem with the allowing of searching for the calendar reference of such an occurrence. However, I would point out that there will be an earlier occurence, on the calendar it's Sept.23, 2017. Not that I agree with the current theology about that, I'm merely stating that the theology exists.
I then asked him if it were possible to know the season and the year of the Rapture. He said yes but again I would have to search this out before he would confirm it. So I got to work.
Here is where I would disagree. The apostle Paul wrote that even if it were an angel of heaven who spoke the message, do not believe it. For Jesus said that not even an angel knows of that time, but the Father only.
It took another 2 months to search this out. While doing so I came to realize that this would drive an Astrophysicist insane if he tried to take this to task without spiritual discernment. Without God and the Angel guiding me this would have been impossible to find.
It is still Biblically intended to be impossible to find. Jesus words on the matter are still in effect, "No one knows the day or hour."

And yet, at the middle of the 7 year tribulation there is given the sign in heaven of the virgin that gives birth, which coincides with the Virgo constellation and the various stars and planets in close proximity to it at a certain season of a year.

These events allow the calculation of days to know when something is going to happen. The restriction of Jesus words that no one knows, is not in effect during these events. Therefore, these events do not include the rapture.

Therefore, I conclude that your doctrine concerning the rapture is called "the post tribulation rapture". Which is not in line with many scriptures of Biblical text.
But I did figure it out using the date given above, planet maps and dates and a little guess work on God's tender mercies on his children. The Angel confirmed what I found and gave more information on the Rapture that surprised me. I was taught from childhood that the Rapture would happen in one day in a blink of the eye but he corrected me. The day Jesus returns will be in a blink of an eye. But he also reminded me that no man knows the day or hour of the rapture, not even an Angel.
So, the angel's doctrine agrees with the words of Jesus, but your doctrine does not.
This Angel confirmed that the Rapture will occur in between September 22 and November 22 of the year 2065.
Now the angel's doctrine does not agree with the words of Jesus, but does agree with your doctrine.

How do you account for this inconsistency?

And because of this inconsistency, how then can anything that the angel said, be trusted as inspired or sanctioned by Jesus and God the Father?
Now comes the kicker, Lol. He told me that the Rapture is a 3 day process designed to save as many people as possible from experiencing God's wrath by having them believe on Jesus the Son of God. Here's how he laid it out for me...

1st Day of the Rapture - The Dead in Christ Arise in full view of mankind and undeniable.

2nd Day of the Rapture - All living persons who are of Christ ages 25 years on down will transfigure in full view of mankind and undeniable. This includes all innocent people (those with childlike minds) and unborn children from their mother's wombs. God will not let an innocent experience his wrath in the Tribulation Period, because of this no child will be born to mankind during that time. Also Rapturing that day will be those who believed on Jesus because of the witness of the Resurrection of the dead from the 1st day of the years 25 and down.

3rd Day of the Rapture - Everyone else 26 years and up living in Christ will transfigure in full view and undeniable to mankind. This will include those who converted to Jesus because of the witness of the Previous 2 days of the Rapture regardless of their age.

Of the Tribulation period there will be converts both Gentile and Jew but there will be less Gentile conversions than Jew. And they will all suffer persecution during the Tribulation Period for the witness of Jesus, God's Christ.

There will be no signs given in the Heavens for the Rapture. This is because we live in the Age of grace and Faith is all we are to work with.
This is not consistent with the known post tribulation rapture doctrine who most often quote Mat.24:29 as evidence of the signs in heaven that occur before the Coming of Jesus and their rapture and immediate return back to earth, "And immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened and the moon not give her light."

But, neither is your statement consistent with your so called chat with the angel who gave you the constellations as a sign of the rapture.

Here again is more reason not to accept what you've written.
Also I can give only scripture as to any verification of what I have written, 1st Corinthians 2:13 and 1st Thessalonians 5:20.
The verification has already been consulted and your post doesn't have it.

I have shown that your post does not line up with the inspired scriptures, therefore in comparison with 1 Cor. 2:13, your findings are only in line with your post tribulation doctrine, which is the wisdom of or religious tradition and private interpretation of men.

Also, comparing with 1 Thes. 5:20, your post is not a prophesy. For it is not consistent with the inspiration, the Spirit of God. Or would you have us to know that your so called prophesy came by your much practiced speaking in tongues? For the apostle Paul devoted a number of chapters in his epistle to the Corinthians where he many times over indicates that prophesy occurs in the use of speaking in tongues.
For those with the Faith to receive it, search it out.
You do mean, of course, Those of your doctrine are invited to search it out.
I am a humble servant of Jehovah Sabaoth and my witness is true.
I would not presume that you were not a humble servant of the Lord, but I would differ in your claim that you are a witness that what you have posted is God's sanctioned Truth.
Given in God's Peace and Love to those who love him for the edification of the future Church.
Apologies for your sincerity, however, there needs to be edification for the present church.
 
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I'm part of the remnant.

You are part of THIS remnant?

Romans 11:5
Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Of course not. This is 2017, not 60AD. Paul was not including you.

What do you say happened to that Remnant from the 1st century?

Chapter and verse where we are called the "True Israel." Or any verse in the NT that talks about a "True Israel" or "New Israel."

Again,
At Mt. Sinai, Yahweh said Israel was the "kingly priesthood," the "holy nation," the "peculiar people of God" (Ex 19:5-7). And St. Peter claims that the christians are this very people: "Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people...Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God" (1 Peter 2:9-10).

How about you provide chapter and verse that says Christians are but "one of the peculiar peoples, one of the royal priesthoods, one of the Holy nations, one of the peoples of God.. Instead of Peter's claim that they are not merely one of the peoples, but indeed THE People.
Chapter and verse where we are called the "True Israel." Or any verse in the NT that talks about a "True Israel" or "New Israel."

Again,
Israel was known as "the circumcision" (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30), for that was their physical mark of distinction. St. Paul explicitly says that unbelieving Jews were "false circumcision," and states that the Christian sect was the true circumcision: "Beware of the false circumcision; for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:2-3).

You are claiming the continuation of Israel must be counted through the lineage of the people St Paul calls the "false circumcision"!

Try and let that sink in.

Also:
Ephesians 2:11-13
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.


Lets recap:

Israel = The Circumcision (Eph 2:11; Rom 15:8; Rom 4:9; Rom 3:30)
Unbelieving Israel = FALSE Circumcision (Phil 3:2-3)
Believing Israel (Christians) = TRUE Circumcision (Phil 3:2-3)

False Circumcision = FALSE Israel
TRUE Circumcision = TRUE Israel

Gentiles Without Christ = Aliens, FAR OFF from Israel
Gentiles with Christ = No longer Aliens from Israel but now BROUGHT NEAR

The onus is on you to demonstrate why Peter and Paul were wrong here.
 
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Yeah I understand your point and it's a good one... again I don't understand why sacrifices are required during the messianic age.. my only guess would be because when someone sins atonement must be made for Jesus to forgive them rather than pass judgement upon them.....but it's clear that when he reigns on earth those things will take place

So it's sort of "Backward Redemption" then? In the Future where we Get the better reality of Jesus Christ in the flesh on earth, the redemptive process regresses to the not better way?

Today Jesus does not require the Blood of Bulls and Goats for atonement and acceptance, but when He gets back He will?... So He somehow loses the ability to forgive sinners on the profession of their faith alone? and instead of the Believer calling upon Him any moment of any day and He is right there with us, we have to travel for days, weeks, months every year and stand in line with a billion or so other Christians for who knows how many more days, weeks, months just to get a glimpse of him for a few seconds face to face? How is that better than now exactly? I much prefer the "anytime access" I currently have to that scenario.

I don't believe so .. do you? If so how is that possible?

How is it possible that Every Eye will see him touch his feet Down on the Mount of Olives?

If one lives in Israel and is a gentile then they must be circumcised it seems...

Which would make Paul vomit.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

Galatians 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.
 
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From this:


Who is the General in your parable? You?

The example given was one of a secular army General of this world and his subordinates. Anyone who has served in the Armed Forces knows this to be true. If you want to make a parable out of it then God the Father is the General and the Angels and Saints are his host. The whole thing was an example to show you how it was possible for this angel know the year and season of the Rapture and the day marking the Great Tribulation period. The day and hour of the Lord's Return and the exact date of the Rapture is what is not known by him. What he has told me does not contradict scripture. Take things in context and you will see yourself what was meant by that.
 
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Did you ever ask this angel why he was allowed to go above the LORD?

This Angel always asks God the Father before he answers any questions of mine. Even his speaking to me was granted of God. He will not answer all my questions, and yes sometimes it's very aggravating. I have to be very specific with my questions, nothing vague. Sometimes he is not allowed to tell me the answers and sometimes he has me search them out. Remember this angel's primary mission is to protect my wife, he is her assigned Guardian while she is here. He's not her solely to answer my questions. He isn't at my beck and call.
So why do you have the impression he is allowed to go above the Lord?
 
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