Art Model

[Sammy-San]

I'm not comprehending your question.

A husband and wife is the exemption because their bodies belong to each other.

 

[dms1972]

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[Deadworm]

When I first read the thread's title, I thought it was about Art Model, the controversial deceased owner of the Cleveland Browns, who on the one hand was very generous in his active support of social causes, but on the other hand was reviled by Christian residents of Cleveland for moving the team to Baltimore. Someone spit on his grace for this! So I had to scrap my preliminary research into Model and his detractors. I can't believe the OP fails to specify whether the model and painter are of opposite sexes.

 

[PollyJetix]

When I first read the thread's title, I thought it was about Art Model, the controversial deceased owner of the Cleveland Browns, who on the one hand was very generous in his active support of social causes, but on the other hand was reviled by Christian residents of Cleveland for moving the team to Baltimore. Someone spit on his grace for this! So I had to scrap my preliminary research into Model and his detractors. I can't believe the OP fails to specify whether the model and painter are of opposite sexes.

I believe the OP mentions it was for a class, which would presumably include both males and female.

However, considering our day and age, I am surprised to see this particular objection.
With the LGBTQIA agenda in full swing, don't be surprised to see gay men enjoying painting a nude male.

 

[dms1972]

I think it is up to you. What do you feel about it? What a man thinketh, so is he. If you feel it is wrong and a sin, to you it is wrong and a sin.

I personally, dont believe God bothers herself with trivial matters such as these. He lets us choose what is right or wrong for ourselves. Of course there are the religious who makes rules and try to get others to believe them and it eventually does become sins to all those who believe. But each man has to decide for himself.

So lets forget about religion or spirituality, because this doesn't relate.....unless you want to make it.

If I was a hunk , which I Am, and someone wanted to put my hunkness on a canvas....I would oblige....if I were single. An insecure person would not...and would probably give other reasons other than their our insecurity.

If married....i dont think i would....and i wouldnt want a wife or daughter doing it either....for ingrained cultural reasons (how i was brought up)

A hunk is always a hunk of something, as a lump is always a lump of something. ;-) As a human being you're more than that.

Artists want to become proficient at rendering the human form in some medium, not putting 'hunkiness' (a subjective, emotional appraisal of someome else) on a page, for that reason it does not matter if the model is good looking or plain.

You seem to be engaging in an ad hominem and 'mind reading' by saying people who disagree are insecure, and cover that up with rationales for this being wrong. The reasons given if they are sound have to be considered in themselves without judging the individual.

I also disagree that this can be removed from the spiritual or religious realm. Why discuss it at all then. To so separate it is to abdicate the responsibility of developing a christian mind on these matters, something that is amongst christians very undeveloped.

Humans are spiritual and bodily creatures, made in God's Image and likeness. And I think that even in non-christians there is some aspect of the imprint of the Image of God remaining.

A drawing class is no doubt about being able gain confidence in drawing the human form, and in some areas of the medical professions that is necessary at times, though I would say less so since the advent of photography.

I would guess also that it would be counterproductive to good rendering to be caught up in a lustful fantasy, or a fit of giggles so if the artists career progress is on the line, they will not want to be immature about it.

 

[Johnnz]

It is not a sin. A wrong view of nudity has been established from a poor exegesis of the early Genesis story. Many great Christian artists have painted nudes, thereby demonstrating a positive view of the human body.

Cranach was a "Reformation painter:' as Dad called him. Cranach was also a close friend of Martin Luther, and his nudes are proof that whatever else Luther was, he was no prude and would have been excoriated by American-style Evangelicals for encouraging his friend to produce the soft -core porn of that day. (source F Schaeffer)

John
NZ

 

[faroukfarouk]

I made the assumption that such a beautiful, intelligent Lady would have been spoken for.

So did I.

 

[Sammy-San]

Divorce is serious. I think marriage is a sacrament and divorce is not to be entered lightly. So, no, if I were married, I would not divorce my husband over something so trivial. I just would rather he not pose nude.

Would you have a problem if your wife posed nude for male art students?

When people say marriage is a sacrament, what about in other time periods like Pre-Columbian America or other places like the islamic countries, where there isn't Christianity or Judaism?

 

[Sammy-San]

For goodness' sake, I nor anyone else, is suggesting he go out and pose for pornography.

Do you think Michaelangelo's statue of David is pornographic? When I look at it, I see the beauty of the male form- but get no sexual stimulation at all.

There is a distinction to be made between art and pornography.

The question he has is, As a Christian, should he pose nude for art, since he is married?

There are a lot of layers, here, I think. It's an interesting ethical problem. I love art. I love the naked female and male forms in art. But, I get no sexual stimulation from art. I don't look at, watch, or read pornography.

Is it your position that nudity in art is the same as pornography?

Isn't all nudity, except for a husband and a wife, shameful and stealing what isn't yours?

 

[Galatea]

Isn't all nudity, except for a husband and a wife, shameful and stealing what isn't yours?

Art is different, in my opinion. It is not a photograph, or film of a real person. Art is representation of a real form. It's not a real person.

I think that is an important distinction. I realize there is some animated pornography- I'm not talking about that. I am talking about art.

His problem is, should he pose nude for an art class since he is a Christian and married.

Personally, if I were married, I would not want him to do it. And be insulted if he was okay with me doing it.

 

[Galatea]

When people say marriage is a sacrament, what about in other time periods like Pre-Columbian America or other places like the islamic countries, where there isn't Christianity or Judaism?

Sure, God gave marriage to the human family. He gave it to Adam and Eve and it persisted through the ages.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sure, God gave marriage to the human family. He gave it to Adam and Eve and it persisted through the ages.

Do you find the definition of marriage confusing at all or not really? The rights/privileges/benefits/obligations that people had in the circumstances I mentioned are very different from what we have in America.

 

[Galatea]

Do you find the definition of marriage confusing at all or not really? The rights/privileges/benefits/obligations that people had in the circumstances I mentioned are very different from what we have in America.

No, I don't find it confusing. I know people groups have changed marriage from what God originally intended- one man and one woman, but the institution survives- even in a perverted form. Even the Israelites practiced polygamy- which is not what God intended. So if God's people twisted marriage, it should come as no surprise that pagans changed the form, too.

I'm rather MORE amazed that so many cultures do define marriage as between one man and one woman. It sure has lasted a long time.

 

[Sammy-San]

No, I don't find it confusing. I know people groups have changed marriage from what God originally intended- one man and one woman, but the institution survives- even in a perverted form. Even the Israelites practiced polygamy- which is not what God intended. So if God's people twisted marriage, it should come as no surprise that pagans changed the form, too.

I'm rather MORE amazed that so many cultures do define marriage as between one man and one woman. It sure has lasted a long time.

I'm not talking about a man and a woman or multiple spouses, I'm talking about marriage itself. Do you think marriage is the same or different in other contexts? Like in the middle east or native americans in the past or indigneous cultures.

 

[LinkH]

It is a sin for a man to look on a woman to lust after him. We are told to pray 'lead us not into temptation.' Should we pray that, and then put ourselves in a situation to be tempted like that? The Bible also says to flee fornication.

For me personally, it would be a temptation to me, unless, possible, if I found the models absolutely and totally unattractive. I would imagine they do not get models like that for these classes. By tempted, I don't mean tempted to do anything with the models, but temptation in terms of being tempted to look with inappropriate desire. Would being a porn inspector who decides what materials come into a country be an appropriate job for a Christian? Probably not for most Christians, and not for porn of the opposite sex. But there would actually be a reason to perform this job. Artists can draw or paint something else.

There is a lot in the field of the arts that isn't acceptable for Christians. Art critics may love Venus de Milo, but this was probably the state of some false goddess, the sort of thing God would have had the Israelites destroy. Art is no excuse.

Acting is no excuse for blaspheming God, either. There are lots of challenges actors face where their work could conflict with their faith. Some fields are like that.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I love God foremost and I love art. I think it would be sinful to model in the nude.

1 John 5
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

1 Thessalonians 5
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Thank you for posting this verse. I had been looking for the second one, but couldn't think of a key word to look it up. Here it is again:

1 Thessalonians 5:22
"Abstain from all appearance of evil."

The next verse seems to apply also. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it."

I would think just asking the question is cause for alarm. His conscience is already at work.

 

[Zoii]

I think a lil differently to Galatea but respect what she writes. For me its about intent. Its art class not a sex class so... You could be a model patient for a class of med /nursing students.... same thing. I think we should NOT focus on "what if I stimulate someone" and instead on the benefits of what you're doing for students.

 

[Martyr's Crown]

I am not sure if it is sinful for a man, since your nude body is not likely to stimulate the ladies drawing you (no offense, women just imbibe pornography through the framework of a story and not so much as just seeing a naked man).

I think you stereotype all women as thinking the same as you and your friends, it would be the same as saying all men are doomed to get into pornography as well as sleep around with tonz of women just because they are ALL wired this way. There are many women out there who can also struggle with seeing men without a shirt, or just in a tiny swimsuit as well as in the nude. I myself don't like seeing other men without a shirt on, I don't feel comfortable with this. Except of my husband, of course.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I think you stereotype all women as thinking the same as you and your friends, it would be the same as saying all men are doomed to get into pornography as well as sleep around with tonz of women just because they are ALL wired this way. There are many women out there who can also struggle with seeing men without a shirt, or just in a tiny swimsuit as well as in the nude. I myself don't like seeing other men without a shirt on, I don't feel comfortable with this. Except of my husband, of course.

Hi; so what do you think of people making anatomy drawings for medical study?

I guess that my underlying point is that context is important and that that there are always going to be grey areas.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I think a lil differently to Galatea but respect what she writes. For me its about intent. Its art class not a sex class so... You could be a model patient for a class of med /nursing students.... same thing. I think we should NOT focus on "what if I stimulate someone" and instead on the benefits of what you're doing for students.

I guess my point in post #59, above, is similar to yours.