The Magnitude of the End of the Age

[Goatee]

Since that was "the end of the Age" that Jesus and the Apostles spoke of as soon coming, at hand & about to take place, we most certainly are discussing that.

No point in discussing the end of the "everlasting gospel" age because, well, everlasting means everlasting.

You are very knowledgeable. I totally agree with your posts. I believe exactly the same myself.

 

[parousia70]

Well, thanks for the kind words Goatee! I'm just a seeker, but I've gathered enough knowledge to know the apostles must be right about eschatology, and therefore modern, consistent futurism must be wrong.

 

[Goatee]

Well, thanks for the kind words Goatee! I'm just a seeker, but I've gathered enough knowledge to know the apostles must be right about eschatology, and therefore modern, consistent futurism must be wrong.

I agree. I do believe that people read Revelations etc with the wrong 'glasses' on, so to speak. They read it with a modern take. I know that in the days of the texts being written, they were read in a totally different way to how most read them these days. The language was different. I mean the way in which it was meant to be read. This has been lost over time.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

time to put another preterist on ignore.

 

[parousia70]

time to put another preterist on ignore.

All Christians are preterist. we only vary by degree.

 

[Goatee]

time to put another preterist on ignore.

Waw!! Really? I disagree with many on here but would not throw my dummy out of the pram and put them on ignore!!!

 

[parousia70]

Waw!! Really? I disagree with many on here but would not throw my dummy out of the pram and put them on ignore!!!

It's OK, we'll keep welcoming them to the fold one at a time after each successive round of non-events fails to come to pass.

Time is on the side of preterism.
Time is running out on futurism.

 

[The Times]

"22 Unless those days had been cut short, no [j]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [k]elect those days will be cut short." Mt. 24:22 (NASB)

There are now 7.6 billion people on planet earth, meaning that Christ is saying that every single one of them would die had those days not been cut short. That means that some catastrophe of incredible magnitude is coming on this planet. There are other statements to this effect as well. I think that many have forgotten about the magnitude of the end of the age.

It is the revealing, embracing and acceptance of the abomination that maketh desolate that is the focal point of no return.

From a historical context humanity has always come at the precipis of destruction, such as wars and rumors of wars, yet this according to Jesus was not the END,. The END and focal point of no return is when the world accepts the abomination that maketh desolate, which is revealed out in the open, by the global embracing of an autononous law of tolerance, for the 21st century.

No time previously in history has existed, that reigns in globally the Homosexual and Transgender abominations, than in our times.

To Jesus wars were not the means to an end point of no return, however the acts to defile the image of God through a global homosexual, genderless and Transhumanistic society assures certain destruction.

Creation doesn't get destroyed by the direct act of man as we are told in the Bible in the case of Noah's days, rather it is destroyed by God, because it is God who ends it when he sees fit that all flesh will be lost unless he acts and so we are told for the sake of his elect/chosen he will do just that.

Again please go and read my two threads and understand why and how we have reached the point of no return, that destruction is assured, especially when the global governments along with their support of these abominations, who carry the rainbow coloured flags and say peace and safety is the 21st delusion, the ultimate LIE that will bring swift destruction from above. How ironic it is that the homosexual and transgender agenda movements use the symbol of the rainbow that Moses was given for protection under the covenant of God. Homosexual and Transgender agendas have counterfeited this symbol as their own covenant of abominations, for when they shall say peace and safety, destruction comes from above.

Here are the links to my threads addressing the point of no return...

The Man of Sin has been revealed in our day and age, the Great Falling Away has begun!

The Highway to Hell from Homosexuality to Transgenderism to Transhumanism to annihilation

 

[parousia70]

No time previously in history has existed, that reigns in globally the Homosexual and Transgender abominations, than in our times.

Weirdly, Homosexuality and Transgenderism are topics Jesus never uttered word one about.

 

[Dave Watchman]

No time previously in history has existed, that reigns in globally the Homosexual and Transgender abominations, than in our times.

You have a way with words that sends chills down my spine. I've been reading your other thread, I'm at a loss for words. I've found others who've noticed the same things, but it's a rare understanding. The realization that we are here, it's happening right now. Just like in the days of Noah, like in the days of Lot all over again.

"but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.​

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

“Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean, and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. (Became desolate)

“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. ​

 

[The Times]

Weirdly, Homosexuality and Transgenderism are topics Jesus never uttered word one about.

Friend, why do you take my post below and try to disect it and to confuse it by a self evident straw man.

The Magnitude of the End of the Age

What do you mean when you say...

Weirdly, Homosexuality and Transgenderism are topics Jesus never uttered word one about.

So......are you implying that since you can't establish a word from Jesus that identifies homosexuality is an abomination, therefore homosexuality is not an abomination before God.

John writes...

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. (John 21:25)

So since you can't find anything in particular, especially a term homosexual that is only used in modern day, then the implication from your claim is....

That homosexuality is not an abomination right?

This is your straw man and it is so fallacious that I need to convey to you your errors from this line of reasoning.

Firstly just because you can't find it documented it doesn't rule homosexuality out as an abomination, nor does it rule out that when Jesus used the word abomination that he did so, according to the understanding of those around him, who knew what he was refering to.

It is your onus to prove that homosexuality is not an abomination by using all of scripture and not just what Jesus is recorded as saying, especially when the term homosexual did not exist in their vocabulary.

Secondly, just because Jesus doesn't use a modern term, yet would he have not fulfilled all the law of the old testament, which clearly refers to homosexual acts as an abomination deserving death.

So your straw man fails miserably and so I ask you again what do you you mean when making unwarranted sensational claims as the one above.

Do you support homosexual practices?

Tell us in honesty, do you support homosexual acts?

Your honesty would be much appreciated.

Finally I'm not letting youoff easily, Jesus taught and defined what a legal marriage is and that you can bank on....

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ ?6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” (Matthew 19:4-6)

Friend, you ought to concentrate on what Jesus said, rather than what he didn't say.

Jesus, the apostles and the old testament prophets never taught nor endorsed homosexuality and so your comment is null and voided by the self evident facts.

 

[parousia70]

You have a way with words that sends chills down my spine. I've been reading your other thread, I'm at a loss for words. I've found others who've noticed the same things, but it's a rare understanding. The realization that we are here, it's happening right now. Just like in the days of Noah, like in the days of Lot all over again.

"but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.​

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

“Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean, and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. (Became desolate)

“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. ​

Wow...Indeed the time is ripe... there are more Red Lobster Restaurants today than ever have been in the History of the Human Race, certainly a sign of the wickedness of humanity:

10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you. (Lev 11:10-12)

 

[parousia70]

Do you support homosexual practices?

Define "support".

Not being a Homosexual myself, I refrain from participating in homosexual acts personally, but I also don't tend to squak at the speck in my brothers eye at the expense of ignoring the plank in my own.

People go to the same Lake of Fire for urepentant Gluttony, sloth, stealing, coveting, & greed that they do for unrepentant Homosexuality.

The fires are no hotter for the Homosexual than they are for the Fat Slob who won't stop stuffing Big Macs in his/her face.
(Though it seems you may think they are?)

Tell us in honesty, do you support homosexual acts?

Again, please define what you mean by "support"

Would I do business with a Homosexual?
Yes

Would I dine with one?
Yes

Would I hire one?
Yes

Would I vote for one?
Yes

There is no prohibition I know of in scripture that prevents me from doing any of those things.

Be Honest.
Do you support Greed?
Do you support Gluttony?
Do your support Sloth?

Perhaps you could point me to your posts condemning Greed, Sloth and Gluttony... for if you are not actively speaking out against those grave, damnable sins, it makes me wonder if you support them?
Especially since all three of those far outpace Homosexuality and Transgenderism in sheer number of adherents... by astronomical proportions.

Friend, you ought to concentrate on what Jesus said, rather than what he didn't say.

Great advice!

42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.

 

[The Times]

Homosexuality and Transgenderism is the abomination of the 21st century. It is a global ENDemic that is the focal point of no return, that has never been so on such a global level, especially when technology now infuses this abomination with Transhumanism/robotics that really obliterates God's created rights image, making Noah's days pale in comparison.

Previous civilisations tried to appease God in the case of Israel and gods in the case of pagans, within a Theonomous culture that was accountable and answerable to the one God for Israel and the many gods for the pagans.

Even the Romans were a Theonomous law culture, including the Chinese.

What has happened in our times, is a complete reversal, that is, rather than the creatures worshipping God, the creatures within an Autonomous culture worship themselves, that is through a process to legislate and make tolerance the agenda to serve man's purpose, rather than the Creator.

Jesus refered to this ENDemic as the abomination that sitteth in the Holy place of the temple of the body (God's Create Right Image) proclaiming themselves godly and tolerating, yet denying God and his Laws altogether. God's law is tied to his Created Rights Image, refer to Genesis account of ownership declaration.

This is the LIE that Satan sold to Adam and Eve, that you will become like God, by which the outcome becomes the Autonomous law culture that has the Creature as the central object of worship/consideration, so that obedience is to the creature and not to God.

Are we here yet?
Has this event ever happened from Daniel onwards?

You too can now discern the things of the Spirit.

God Bless

 

[parousia70]

Homosexuality and Transgenderism is the abomination of the 21st century.

Pales in comparison to Shellfish eaters.

10% of people are Homosexual, and just 1/2 of 1% (0.5%) are transgender.

Hardly the sweeping abominable epidemic you make it out to be...

Shellfish eaters on the other hand?..... Clearly they are the ones we need to watch out for!
Could even be your next door neighbor!

And don't get me started on the rampant, uncontrolled 21st century abomination of Rayon/Cotton Blends... Doomsday Fabric for sure!

 

[Dave Watchman]

Homosexuality and Transgenderism is the abomination of the 21st century. It is a global ENDemic that is the focal point of no return, that has never been so on such a global level, especially when technology now infuses this abomination with Transhumanism/robotics that really obliterates God's created rights image, making Noah's days pale in comparison.

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) Canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)

And now the USA becomes the 21st nation on the planet to legalize same sex marriage which God calls an abomination.

I was in a large Canadian bank last summer where they had 3 big flat screen televisions that were playing their corporate commercials. One of the segments included their endorsement of the LGBT community which even displayed a list of the upcoming gay pride parades.

The commercial features a circular rainbow emblem with various slogans like "forever proud" and "we're proud of our rainbow". It felt weird standing there in a major banking institution watching the homosexual couples smiling and hugging each other on the bank's own TV commercial. I couldn't believe my eyes, I thought that I was going to pass out. Like, am I the only one that thinks this is wrong?

"And at the latter end of their kingdom,
when the transgressors have reached their limit,
a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.

"In the latter part of their reign,
when rebels have become completely wicked,
a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

Think of it like the "abomination that makes desolate" is when the "transgressors have reached their limit". Notice a Divine "limit to transgression", it's the kingdom of the transgressors not the kingdom of Alexander's 4 horns anymore. This is not talking about a specific nation or kingdom, but instead has shifted to our appointed time of the end and is referring to the prevailing number or group of world wide transgressing individuals.

"When rebels have become completely wicked", used to make me think there would be wild gunfights in the streets and mass murder shootings every day. That's how I thought the end of the world would look like when I first read Daniel 8 back in the day of my youth. But here we are now and the rebels have become completely wicked in a subtle way that I wouldn't have imagined and they are now condoned by the mainstream establishment. And guess what? If I were to open my mouth and complain about it in there, I would be the one looked at as the bad guy. The gentiles are starting to trample on the holy city of citizens.

How ironic it is that the homosexual and transgender agenda movements use the symbol of the rainbow that Moses was given for protection under the covenant of God. Homosexual and Transgender agendas have counterfeited this symbol as their own covenant of abominations, for when they shall say peace and safety, destruction comes from above.

The Forever Proud rainbow circle represents TD's commitment to the LGBT community.
We encourage everyone to celebrate diversity and individuality 365 days a year and be #ForeverProud.

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[parousia70]

 

[The Times]

Define "support".

Not being a Homosexual myself, I refrain from participating in homosexual acts personally, but I also don't tend to squak at the speck in my brothers eye at the expense of ignoring the plank in my own.

People go to the same Lake of Fire for urepentant Gluttony, sloth, stealing, coveting, & greed that they do for unrepentant Homosexuality.

The fires are no hotter for the Homosexual than they are for the Fat Slob who won't stop stuffing Big Macs in his/her face.
(Though it seems you may think they are?)



Again, please define what you mean by "support"

Would I do business with a Homosexual?
Yes

Would I dine with one?
Yes

Would I hire one?
Yes

Would I vote for one?
Yes

There is no prohibition I know of in scripture that prevents me from doing any of those things.

Do you support Greed?
Do you support Gluttony?
Do your support Sloth?



Great advice!

42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.

Support can be better defined as.....

condone
kənˈdəʊn/
verb

1. accept (behaviour that is considered morally wrong or offensive).
   "the college cannot condone any behaviour that involves illicit drugs"
   synonyms: deliberately ignore, not take into consideration, disregard, take no notice of, take no account of, accept, allow, make allowances for, let pass, turn a blind eye to, overlook, forget, wink at, blink at, connive at;

So you have answered Yes.

Bible equates homosexuality as an abomination and a sin which infringes on God's Created Rights Image.

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:27)

So God has stamped his ownership on humanity and no Christian woukd disagree with this statement.

God's Created Rights Image is tied to the definition of what constitutes under his moral and legal framework, a legal union between a male abd a female, whereby Jesus ratifies in...

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' (Matthew 19:4 )

So any union outside of this clearly defined union, is an infringement on God's Created Rights Image. It is an outright theft! Homosexual lifestyle advocates and those who condone also take part in this theft.

You answered the following question that you came up with yourself, how loving that my Father is in heaven to use you to do so.

Let's deliberate on your own self assessment of how you condone homosexuality and those who continue this lifestyle, without repententing and turning to the teaching of Jesus to repent and be baptised.

Would I do business with a Homosexual?
Yes

Would I dine with one?
Yes

Would I hire one?
Yes

Would I vote for one?
Yes

Now let us scrutinise your position on condoning homosexual lifestyles by people within the homosexual communities.....

I ask you a question. Can you take a product that has a company logo/image like Microsoft and modify it outside its defined usage terms and then market it and then sell it to the world?

I am confident that you will say absolutely NO and then you will say that it is an infringement of the copyright laws and is therefore piracy and theft of intellectual property of Microsoft.

Now you would also agree that piracy is a crime! right?

So my next question is.....

Will you again answer yes to those question that you used in your self assesment?

Again this is your answers...

Would I do business with a Homosexual?
Yes

Would I dine with one?
Yes

Would I hire one?
Yes

Would I vote for one?
Yes

So without discriminating against God when it comes to his Created Rights Image, why have you answered yes?

You have shown bias and have shown discrimination against God, when his Created Rights Image has been infringed by thise who practice the homosexual lifestyle.

Homosexual lifestyle is piracy and it is a crime.

Would you say yes to those questions in the case of a thief, a murderer, a rapist, a terrorist?

So have you poised a fair and genuine reply when saying to look in your own eyes before making judgement/discernment of a thief, a homosexual, a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile, a terrorist?

I think The Times that we are living in needs to address the issues of people who are harbouring any of those criminals (terrorists included) or who condone those acts and pay a blind eye, are also by acquaintance part taking in these crimes as accessories to the crime.

You have unwittingly declared where you stand. So that what I asked of you was answered by God through you, by your self critical assessment. Therefore God works in mysterious ways.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Previous civilisations tried to appease God in the case of Israel and gods in the case of pagans, within a Theonomous culture that was accountable and answerable to the one God for Israel and the many gods for the pagans.

Even the Romans were a Theonomous law culture, including the Chinese.

What has happened in our times, is a complete reversal, that is, rather than the creatures worshipping God, the creatures within an Autonomous culture worship themselves, that is through a process to legislate and make tolerance the agenda to serve man's purpose, rather than the Creator.

Jesus refered to this ENDemic as the abomination that sitteth in the Holy place of the temple of the body (God's Create Right Image) proclaiming themselves godly and tolerating, yet denying God and his Laws altogether. God's law is tied to his Created Rights Image, refer to Genesis account of ownership declaration.

I agree with you, but this isn't an easy understanding. Not everyone will be able to accept it. It means that we're at the end of the world. Again. God didn't destroy the Sodomites because they got too many tattoos, pierced their bodies or ate shellfish.

Luke 17 replaces the "abomination of desolation" with the "days of Lot". Remember how in Matthew after seeing the abomination of desolation we are told to flee and not come back to collect our belongings.

Matthew 24:

“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak.

In the Luke version, those exact same instructions come right after the mention of "the days of Lot".

Luke 17:

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.

Luke has exchanged the "abomination of desolation" for the "days of Lot". Why? Are the Bible writers trying to give us a hint here? Just like it was in the days of Lot when fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed the Sodomites.

— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.​

 

[The Times]

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) Canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)

And now the USA becomes the 21st nation on the planet to legalize same sex marriage which God calls an abomination.

I was in a large Canadian bank last summer where they had 3 big flat screen televisions that were playing their corporate commercials. One of the segments included their endorsement of the LGBT community which even displayed a list of the upcoming gay pride parades.

The commercial features a circular rainbow emblem with various slogans like "forever proud" and "we're proud of our rainbow". It felt weird standing there in a major banking institution watching the homosexual couples smiling and hugging each other on the bank's own TV commercial. I couldn't believe my eyes, I thought that I was going to pass out. Like, am I the only one that thinks this is wrong?

"And at the latter end of their kingdom,
when the transgressors have reached their limit,
a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.

"In the latter part of their reign,
when rebels have become completely wicked,
a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise.

Think of it like the "abomination that makes desolate" is when the "transgressors have reached their limit". Notice a Divine "limit to transgression", it's the kingdom of the transgressors not the kingdom of Alexander's 4 horns anymore. This is not talking about a specific nation or kingdom, but instead has shifted to our appointed time of the end and is referring to the prevailing number or group of world wide transgressing individuals.

"When rebels have become completely wicked", used to make me think there would be wild gunfights in the streets and mass murder shootings every day. That's how I thought the end of the world would look like when I first read Daniel 8 back in the day of my youth. But here we are now and the rebels have become completely wicked in a subtle way that I wouldn't have imagined and they are now condoned by the mainstream establishment. And guess what? If I were to open my mouth and complain about it in there, I would be the one looked at as the bad guy. The gentiles are starting to trample on the holy city of citizens.

The Forever Proud rainbow circle represents TD's commitment to the LGBT community.
We encourage everyone to celebrate diversity and individuality 365 days a year and be #ForeverProud.

TD Bank celebrates Pride 2016. Join us! | TD Bank

These people/anthropos of sin are being revealed as the abomination that results in the destruction of humanity. What we are witnessing is more shocking than if a UFO landed in Washington and was globally witnessed or even the disclosure of aliens. This focal point of no return has not been historically paralleled before on a global scale like this and it is growing virally and has contaminated the minds of religious leaders, governmental leaders, the general public and threatens the generations to come on an unprecedented scale that has never been throughout the history of humanity.

We truly are facing extinction on a global scale and the strong delusion is working in those who are perishing.