Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

[dfw69]

One of the qualities of the Antichrist is that he will claim to be God. I assure you that the Jews will never EVER accept anyone who claims to be God. EVER.

Yahshua is god in the flesh and gods only begotten son whom they will eventually receive one day

But before Yahshua returns, yes a man will claim to be god and sit in the temple as god and will persecute the Jews

But before that happens there will be a messiah that the Jews will receive who comes in his own name that will form a dynasty. He will be recieved as the promised son of David and a false messianic age will form ... this will not be a good sign for those who believe Yahshua is the true king of the Jews . When this happens it will cause many to fall away from the faith in Yahshua

 

[Meowzltov]

It serves a purpose...they represent the prayers of saints

But that too will end when the prayers will be answered

So? The peace offering I want to offer would represent my prayers as well.

 

[Meowzltov]

Yahshua is god in the flesh and gods only begotten son whom they will eventually receive one day

But before Yahshua returns, yes a man will claim to be god and sit in the temple as god and will persecute the Jews

But before that happens there will be a messiah that the Jews will receive who comes in his own name that will form a dynasty. He will be recieved as the promised son of David and a false messianic age will form ... this will not be a good sign for those who believe Yahshua is the true king of the Jews . When this happens it will cause many to fall away from the faith in Yahshua

The Jews may be fooled into believing in a false messiah. They admit they have before as in Bar Kochba.

But the Jews will never be fooled into a false messiah who claims to be God. Jews do not believe that the coming messiah will be God, nor do they believe that any man can be God. (That is why they reject Jesus.) If they will not accept the man who really IS God, they certainly are not going to accept a man who is NOT God but only claims to be God.

 

[dfw69]

So? The peace offering I want to offer would represent my prayers as well.

Do you not believe you already have access to the throne of heaven through the blood of Yahshua? Do you think god will answer your prayers if you offered peace offerings in the temple instead?

 

[dfw69]

The Jews may be fooled into believing in a false messiah. They admit they have before as in Bar Kochba.

But the Jews will never be fooled into a false messiah who claims to be God. Jews do not believe that the coming messiah will be God, nor do they believe that any man can be God. (That is why they reject Jesus.) If they will not accept the man who really IS God, they certainly are not going to accept a man who is NOT God but only claims to be God.

Do you honestly believe the Jews will allow you to worship in their temple if you are a Yahshua believer?

They believe man should worship god in spirit and truth and if they believe that truth is against Yahshua would you still participate in their worship system knowing they reject your messiah as the truth? To worship in their temple would mean you must reject Yahshua and believe in their found messiah

Have you ever considered what consequences would take place if the Jews find another messiah and establish the messianic era? They believe they are the chosen people to bring light to the Gentiles and that light will reveal Yahshua a false messiah from their perspective and teachings of Judaism.

Do you think the temple will serve as a tourist attraction? which imo would be a mockery

 

[Meowzltov]

Do you not believe you already have access to the throne of heaven through the blood of Yahshua? Do you think god will answer your prayers if you offered peace offerings in the temple instead?

We're talking apples and oranges. Of course I have access to heaven though Yeshua's blood. But HOW do I show my love and praise? Singing is one way. Liturgy is another. Prayers of praise is yet another one. And I think that making a peace offering would be an awesome way to praise God.

BTW it's Yeshua, not Yahshua.

 

[Meowzltov]

Do you honestly believe the Jews will allow you to worship in their temple if you are a Yahshua believer?

I don't think they will be checking ID cards to see who is a Rabbinical Jew.

 

[Meowzltov]

They believe they are the chosen people to bring light to the Gentiles

We ARE the chosen people and it IS our calling to bring light to the Gentiles.

Supersessionism leads to antisemitism.

 

[dfw69]

We're talking apples and oranges. Of course I have access to heaven though Yeshua's blood. But HOW do I show my love and praise? Singing is one way. Liturgy is another. Prayers of praise is yet another one. And I think that making a peace offering would be an awesome way to praise God.

BTW it's Yeshua, not Yahshua.

I believe it's Yahshua but to each his own according to their faith... thanks for the chat peace

 

[ToBeLoved]

We ARE the chosen people and it IS our calling to bring light to the Gentiles.

Oh boy.

 

[visionary]

Oh boy.

Yeah, that time has come and gone, and we are at "the fullness of the gentiles" is here and they will hear no more.

 

[miknik5]

But isn't there some sort of outpouring coming that will cause this house to cause the former temple to metaphorically appear...... plain and simple?

Haggai 2 is interesting......

What do you think about Haggai 2?

 

[dfw69]

Yeah, that time has come and gone, and we are at "the fullness of the gentiles" is here and they will hear no more.

Gentiles are born every day how do you know we are at its fullest?

 

[gadar perets]

Yahshua is god in the flesh and gods only begotten son whom they will eventually receive one day

But the Jews will never be fooled into a false messiah who claims to be God. Jews do not believe that the coming messiah will be God, nor do they believe that any man can be God. (That is why they reject Jesus.) If they will not accept the man who really IS God, they certainly are not going to accept a man who is NOT God but only claims to be God.

The Jews erroneously reject Yeshua as Messiah, but they rightly reject Yeshua as "God". At the appointed time, the veil will be lifted from their eyes and they will receive Yeshua as Messiah AND as the "Son of God". At that time, all will know the truth concerning whether or not the Son is God in the flesh and whether or not the Law has been abolished.

 

[visionary]

Gentiles are born every day how do you know we are at its fullest?

When you had enough information about God that you are satisfied that you know it all, then you have reached your fullness.

 

[ToBeLoved]

When you had enough information about God that you are satisfied that you know it all, then you have reached your fullness.

I think he was referring not to himself being full or reaching his own fullness, per se but that there are many more unbelievers out there that need to come under the Shepherd, so adding more people to the number of Christ's Own.

He can correct me if I am wrong about this, but that is how I read it.

 

[miknik5]

Gentiles are born every day how do you know we are at its fullest?

Everyone was born a gentile until.....circumcision

And none could celebrate the Passover until they were circumcised

 

[miknik5]

When you had enough information about God that you are satisfied that you know it all, then you have reached your fullness.

Are you at the top of the branches then. The best fruit?

Get behind and protect the tender fruit

Now you are called to work

 

[miknik5]

The Jews erroneously reject Yeshua as Messiah, but they rightly reject Yeshua as "God". At the appointed time, the veil will be lifted from their eyes and they will receive Yeshua as Messiah AND as the "Son of God". The veil will also be lifted from the eyes of Christians and they will be ashamed when they realize they falsely taught that Jesus is "God" and that the Law is abolished.

Who taught that the law was abolished?

 

[miknik5]

Do you honestly believe the Jews will allow you to worship in their temple if you are a Yahshua believer?

They believe man should worship god in spirit and truth and if they believe that truth is against Yahshua would you still participate in their worship system knowing they reject your messiah as the truth? To worship in their temple would mean you must reject Yahshua and believe in their found messiah

Have you ever considered what consequences would take place if the Jews find another messiah and establish the messianic era? They believe they are the chosen people to bring light to the Gentiles and that light will reveal Yahshua a false messiah from their perspective and teachings of Judaism.

Do you think the temple will serve as a tourist attraction? which imo would be a mockery

I don't believe during the time that the temple stands there will be a Christian there either asking to have a part in the temple worship or warning their Jewish older brothers not to have a part in the temple worship

Some already did their warnings prior to it being built and were killed for it