Should Messianic Jews support Jerusalem Third Temple?

[DennisTate]

So show me that God told us to build a third temple.

I am not seeing the scriptural reference and until I do, it is all what you think we should do and not what God tells us to do.

Please give the scripture. Please directly link the scripture to rebuilding a third temple.

G-d did not tell you to build the Jerusalem Third Temple.....
and neither did G-d or Messiah Yeshua - Jesus tell YOU.....
that you have to do anything in the restored Jerusalem Third Temple.......

You term yourself non-denominational.... so you have a lower level of
responsibility in this question than somebody who associates themselves as Jewish or
Messianic Jewish or Messianic Gentile.....(like myself)......

Gentile Christians do not have to do anything directly toward the Jerusalem Third Temple
but..... all Christians have a responsibility to understand that G-d is allowed to give one burden to one person.... and a different burden to somebody else..... and even a different burden to groups of people......

The Orthodox Jewish community and the genetic Levites have a responsibility to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple and literally fulfill every word in Ezekiel related to that structure...... you do not!

I term myself Messianic Gentile...... so I have a higher level of responsibility to at least promote basic support for the role that the Orthodox Jewish community will play for all nations.......... Zechariah 14 cannot be fulfilled... until after the Third TEmple is built....... and the restoration of rain in due season will be one of the blessings that will come to many nations because of this mitzpah that the Jewish people will perform.......
You...... do not have to perform that mitzpah..... I don't either... but I do have to understand that different persons.... and groups... .can have a different calling from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... even if they do not call him by that name!

 

[DennisTate]

Genesis chapter 48 and 49 do a great job of explaining how certain tribes of Israel.....
have different job, roles and responsibilities than other tribes have......

The tribe of Joseph / Yosef and Ephrayim.... wherever they are... .have a responsibility to assist the Levites and the tribe of Judah in the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple.......
If somebody is descended from other of the lost tribes of Israel...
they would probably feel less of a push toward supporting the
Levites and Orthodox Jews in this desire.......

But.... the descendants of Joseph / Yosef and Ephrayim.....
are not priests....
and have essentially zero role in the Third TEmple once it is restored......

 

[ToBeLoved]

G-d did not tell you to build the Jerusalem Third Temple.....
and neither did G-d or Messiah Yeshua - Jesus tell YOU.....
that you have to do anything in the restored Jerusalem Third Temple.......

You term yourself non-denominational.... so you have a lower level of
responsibility in this question than somebody who associates themselves as Jewish or
Messianic Jewish or Messianic Gentile.....(like myself)......

Gentile Christians do not have to do anything directly toward the Jerusalem Third Temple
but..... all Christians have a responsibility to understand that G-d is allowed to give one burden to one person.... and a different burden to somebody else..... and even a different burden to groups of people......

The Orthodox Jewish community and the genetic Levites have a responsibility to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple and literally fulfill every word in Ezekiel related to that structure...... you do not!

I term myself Messianic Gentile...... so I have a higher level of responsibility to at least promote basic support for the role that the Orthodox Jewish community will play for all nations.......... Zechariah 14 cannot be fulfilled... until after the Third TEmple is built....... and the restoration of rain in due season will be one of the blessings that will come to many nations because of this mitzpah that the Jewish people will perform.......
You...... do not have to perform that mitzpah..... I don't either... but I do have to understand that different persons.... and groups... .can have a different calling from Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... even if they do not call him by that name!

I do not see the need to interfere, however maybe some of the other Messianic people have a different viewpoint or could shed some light on how it refers back to those who believe Yeshua is Messiah. I'll let others shed some light on this.

 

[DennisTate]

I do not see the need to interfere, however maybe some of the other Messianic people have a different viewpoint or could shed some light on how it refers back to those who believe Yeshua is Messiah. I'll let others shed some light on this.

I have already campaigned for public office four times so I feel more of a pull to address questions like this than if I didn't feel called in that direction.

 

[dfw69]

One of the best arguments that I have ran into as to why
Messianic Jews, Messianic Gentiles and Christians should support the Orthodox Jewish community
in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple is
a statement by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus:

Luke 24:25

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

Referring to the suffering of the messiah Luke 24:27

So... all that the prophets have spoken would include Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 that
clearly describe the restored Jerusalem Third Temple as part of the Era of Messiah / Moshiach.... .the millennial rule of Messiah over all the earth.

Also:
Luke 13:35

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

This suggest any house that would be rebuilt would still remain desolate until he returns

Only when Israel recieve the messiah and He returns to rebuild Ezekiel temple will that house be restored

Is Christianity relatively desolate due to our having forgotten the words of the Prophets?

No we are his temple if we remain in the faith to believe in him and receive him to obey his words

Any temple built in the near future would be a bad sign for messianics as well as Christians...

 

[Yusuphhai]

In my opinion, the millennial probably is a symbol, but no really 1000 years. This can explains 2Peter 3:8(But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.) Whether Yeshua comes before the millennial or after the millennial is not very important. By appearance the two theories are contrast, but from Jewish perspective they also support each other.

My article “From Α to Ω Be (One Word)” https://www.christianforums.com/threads/prophetic-perfect.7978320/ (#5) can be looked as a reference.

So when will the Mosque on Mount Zion be destroyed is controlled by God and Yeshua. Although I don’t know the exact time, it is very quick. When Most Muslims wake up, they will support the destruction of the Mosque. I choose NO.3: I am not certain about this yet... I will research this further.

 

[DennisTate]

Referring to the suffering of the messiah Luke 24:27



This suggest any house that would be rebuilt would still remain desolate until he returns

Only when Israel recieve the messiah and He returns to rebuild Ezekiel temple will that house be restored





No we are his temple if we remain in the faith to believe in him and receive him to obey his words

Any temple built in the near future would be a bad sign for messianics as well as Christians...

But isn't there some sort of outpouring coming that will cause this house to cause the former temple to metaphorically appear...... plain and simple?

Haggai 2 is interesting......

 

[dfw69]

But isn't there some sort of outpouring coming that will cause this house to cause the former temple to metaphorically appear...... plain and simple?

I don't understand when you say metaphorically appear...

.I believe the new temple Yahshua will build when he returns and is received by the Jews will be more glorious than any before because of the blessings it will bring to the Israel and the nations. It will fulfill Ezekiel prophecies of the messianic era

Haggai 2 is interesting......

Are you suggesting that the prophecy of haggai is yet to be fulfilled? That zerubabel and Joshua are yet to come?

That prophecy was fulfilled right?

 

[janwoG]

Although I support Israel from the Mediterranean see to the East Bank of the Jordan, I would prefer to wait for the Messiah to fulfill this act.

 

[DennisTate]

I don't understand when you say metaphorically appear...

.I believe the new temple Yahshua will build when he returns and is received by the Jews will be more glorious than any before because of the blessings it will bring to the Israel and the nations. It will fulfill Ezekiel prophecies of the messianic era



Are you suggesting that the prophecy of haggai is yet to be fulfilled? That zerubabel and Joshua are yet to come?

That prophecy was fulfilled right?

I am probably using the wrong word......
in one way the glorious metaphorical temple, the Bride of Messiah, the fully restored church of Messiah will make both the soon coming Jerusalem Third Temple, and even the temple of Solomon....... appear rather plain and ordinary.

The fully restored metaphorical temple, that is able to heal the sick and raise the dead even more powerfully than occurred in the time of the Book of Acts......... will astonish the world.

 

[DennisTate]

Although I support Israel from the Mediterranean see to the East Bank of the Jordan, I would prefer to wait for the Messiah to fulfill this act.

But what about a human Cyrus type that will fulfill Isaiah 45?

 

[Meowzltov]

THIS Messianic Jew looks forward to the Third Temple!

 

[dfw69]

THIS Messianic Jew looks forward to the Third Temple!

Why?

 

[Meowzltov]

Why?

Exodus 25:8 "Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them."

God is omnipresent. But what does that mean for us? It is said that "God is everywhere and is everywhere unappreciated." God never needed a tabernacle. WE need a tabernacle. Israel needed it then, we have needed it since, and we need it now.

 

[visionary]

Exodus 25:8 "Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them."

God is omnipresent. But what does that mean for us? It is said that "God is everywhere and is everywhere unappreciated." God never needed a tabernacle. WE need a tabernacle. Israel needed it then, we have needed it since, and we need it now.

worship the object ..... I think one of the reasons it was taken away was because of the overemphasis on its need. Yeshua and his disciples had the discussion about the temple, disciples glorifying it, Yeshua pronouncing its demise.

 

[ToBeLoved]

worship the object ..... I think one of the reasons it was taken away was because of the overemphasis on its need. Yeshua and his disciples had the discussion about the temple, disciples glorifying it, Yeshua pronouncing its demise.

Yeshua made me a tabernacle of the Holy Spirit. The tabernacle is now us.

 

[visionary]

Yeshua made me a tabernacle of the Holy Spirit. The tabernacle is now us.

Exactly, now the evidence is revealed when the Jewishness of Yeshua walks in your life.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Exactly, now the evidence is revealed when the Jewishness of Yeshua walks in your life.

You are so dismissive of Christians. Maybe Yeshua is more about love and spiritualness than Jewishness. You guys are obsessed with yourselves. No humililty in any of it. Might not be so much like Yeshua, He came as a humble servant of mankind and doing His Father's will.

I try to be more like Him. You think more of yourself because of Him. Me thinks you got it wrong. Maybe read His words again. Find out who He is and was. Get off the high horse. You do not act like a follower, but someone who uses race to their advantage. Is that all He is is just your race card?

 

[visionary]

You are so dismissive of Christians. Maybe Yeshua is more about love and spiritualness than Jewishness. You guys are obsessed with yourselves. No humililty in any of it. Might not be so much like Yeshua, He came as a humble servant of mankind and doing His Father's will.

I try to be more like Him. You think more of yourself because of Him. Me thinks you got it wrong. Maybe read His words again. Find out who He is and was. Get off the high horse. You do not act like a follower, but someone who uses race to their advantage. Is that all He is is just your race card?

2000 years of dominance doesn't make it right. Jewishness is the key to knowing Yeshua. Taken out of context of Judaism, the faith in scripture becomes none applicable in the spirituality of truth as it is proclaimed. I do not use race because it isn't mine. I present Jewishness because it is lacking in a lot of comments from those who are not MJ.

 

[dfw69]

Exodus 25:8 "Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them."

God is omnipresent. But what does that mean for us? It is said that "God is everywhere and is everywhere unappreciated." God never needed a tabernacle. WE need a tabernacle. Israel needed it then, we have needed it since, and we need it now.

It my understanding that the tabernacle was a means to become like god...that it teaches a man to become transformed into god ... yahshua was the only one to obtain the Victory to obtain what the tabernacle worship promised which was for man to become like god... since Yahshua obeyed the law perfectly and was found without sin...he has received that promise and that is why he is able to give his followers what he has obtained ... this is how we are able to be transformed from corruption to incorruption from mortal to immortal... we will put on the tabernacle of god when we recieve our heavenly bodies from Yahshua to live in heaven where new Jerusalem resides

The old temple has fulfilled its purpose which was for messiah to fulfill its obligations and set man free to be able to live with god

So When the new temple is erected by Yahshua, it's gonna serve as a new purpose... the purpose of bringing the tabernacle of God down to earth

But before all this a temple will be erected that will be anti-Yahshua.
This temple will come from the one of the sons of David who will be received as the promised messiah of the Jews..as Yahshua prophecied that another will come in his own name that they will receive...

so the next temple to be built will not be a good sign for Yahshua lovers....