How can Creationism be falsified?

[USincognito]

Are we only enzymes away from the primates becoming human? I could have sworn there was more to our differences than that...

Well, since humans are primates, I'm not sure what differences you're talking about.

 

[USincognito]

Circular reasoning...

Oh brother.

...you assume the fossil bearing layer represents something

No, we know that fossil bearing layers have fossils in them. Further, we know from fact that granite is a metamorphic rock, the rock that was either igneous or sedimentary before becoming metamorphic.

 

[USincognito]

I just want to throw this out there. When uranium from Oklo, Gabon was set to be processed as nuclear fuel they noticed the ratio of isotopes was a bit off. That led them back to the source and analysis of the site showed that 1.8 billion years ago it has become a natural nuclear reactor and why the isotope ratios were different from what was expected.

I would love to see a Creationist explanation for this.
The Workings of an Ancient Nuclear Reactor
>> In May 1972 a worker at a nuclear fuel–processing plant in France noticed something suspicious. He had been conducting a routine analysis of uranium derived from a seemingly ordinary source of ore. As is the case with all natural uranium, the material under study contained three isotopes— that is to say, three forms with differing atomic masses: uranium 238, the most abundant variety; uranium 234, the rarest; and uranium 235, the isotope that is coveted because it can sustain a nuclear chain reaction. Elsewhere in the earth’s crust, on the moon and even in meteorites, uranium 235 atoms make up 0.720 percent of the total. But in these samples, which came from the Oklo deposit in Gabon (a former French colony in west equatorial Africa), uranium 235 constituted just 0.717 percent. That tiny discrepancy was enough to alert French scientists that something strange had happened. <<

Creationists - this is how actual science is done.

 

[USincognito]

Fossils are organisms.

Not all. Some trace fossils are caused by waves or raindrops. But even then, I think most trace fossils are still created by organisms (footprints, burrows, root systems, egg nests, etc.).

 

[joshua 1 9]

How can Creationism be falsified?

By Creationism I assume you are referring to the first chapter in the Bible. Genesis Chapter two on is more of a history book covering the last 6,000 years. If you want to falsify the Bible then you would have to produce some sort of evidence to show that the Bible is wrong.

 

[Loudmouth]

By Creationism I assume you are referring to the first chapter in the Bible. Genesis Chapter two on is more of a history book covering the last 6,000 years. If you want to falsify the Bible then you would have to produce some sort of evidence to show that the Bible is wrong.

What evidence would need to be found in order to show that the Bible is wrong?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What evidence would need to be found in order to show that the Bible is wrong?

It would be impossible to show that the Bible is wrong. All the evidence that Science has shows that the Bible is accurate and true. Science and the Bible need each other. Science shows us the Bible is true and the Bible shows us when Science is accurate and true. Like your left and right hand. The scientific method is a way we can show that the Bible is accurate and true.

 

[Loudmouth]

It would be impossible to show that the Bible is wrong. All the evidence that Science has shows that the Bible is accurate and true.

I am not asking about the evidence we have found, at least not for the moment. I am asking a hypothetical. What evidence would science need to find in the future in order to show that the Bible is wrong? How do you determine if evidence supports or disproves the Bible?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I am not asking about the evidence we have found, at least not for the moment. I am asking a hypothetical. What evidence would science need to find in the future in order to show that the Bible is wrong? How do you determine if evidence supports or disproves the Bible?

The Bible talks about four rivers. This is a map that shows us where the Garden of Eden was. Right now if we use space photography like google earth this would indicate that the Garden of Eden in the Bible is under the Persian gulf north of the Straits of Hormuz. We know from our Biology book what a biodiverse ecosystem is. We know a lot about the Botany in the the Middle East. We know how the plants and the animals evolved in this part of the world. None of what science has to offer contradicts anything that we read in our Bible about the Plants and Animals that we find in the Middle East.

Let me give you an example. Look at the Apple tree. Moses does not really make any reference to an Apple tree but this has been a traditional tree used to represent the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Interestingly the Apple tree was cultivated by man through grafting branches from one tree into another tree. This then can be used as an allegory. There is the natural tree created by nature. Then there is the tree created when you graft unnatural branches in. The good represents what nature or natural selection does and the evil is man tampering with this. Right now we have a theory that natural ancient grains are said to be better for us then the grains we have tampered with though artificial selection. Because we end up with a lot of inbreeding. Reminds me of the guy who created a tree that grows 40 different kinds of fruit.

So you tell me, how do you prove if an allegory is true or not? The value of the Bible is in how well we apply the lessons we learn in the Bible to our lives.

 

[Loudmouth]

The Bible talks about four rivers. This is a map that shows us where the Garden of Eden was. Right now if we use space photography like google earth this would indicate that the Garden of Eden in the Bible is under the Persian gulf north of the Straits of Hormuz. We know from our Biology book what a biodiverse ecosystem is. We know a lot about the Botany in the the Middle East. We know how the plants and the animals evolved in this part of the world. None of what science has to offer contradicts anything that we read in our Bible about the Plants and Animals that we find in the Middle East.

Then what would contradict the Bible?

So you tell me, how do you prove if an allegory is true or not?

I am asking you that question.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Then what would contradict the Bible?

NOTHING contradicts the Bible. You can not contradict the Bible and you can not falsify the Bible. Man can be corrupted. His understanding can be corrupted. You can not corrupt God and you can not corrupt the Word of God.

the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times. Psalm 12 6

 

[Loudmouth]

NOTHING contradicts the Bible.

What would contradict the Bible, if found?

You can not contradict the Bible and you can not falsify the Bible. Man can be corrupted. His understanding can be corrupted. You can not corrupt God and you can not corrupt the Word of God.

the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times. Psalm 12 6

Can I interpret this as stating that no matter what evidence we will find, you will never accept it as showing the Bible to be wrong?

In other words, are you saying that the belief in the Bible being right is a dogmatic belief that can't be questioned?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What would contradict the Bible, if found?

Anything that would contradict Science would contradict the Bible. You can not contradict one without contradicting the other. Pat Robertson in his book teaches that the laws in the Bible are just as valid as the laws of thermodynamics or the law of gravity. So in your opinion what would contradict the law of gravity? Even though there is some difference between Newton and Einstein when it comes to gravity, they both are talking about the exact same law.

 

[Loudmouth]

Anything that would contradict Science would contradict the Bible.

Like what?

Pat Robertson in his book teaches that the laws in the Bible are just as valid as the laws of thermodynamics or the law of gravity.

The orbit of Mercury contradicted the law of gravity. Does that mean the Bible is wrong?

So in your opinion what would contradict the law of gravity?

The precession in Mercury's orbit.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anything that would contradict Science would contradict the Bible.

Just as weight occurs when gravity is resisted, religion occurs when the Bible is resisted.

For those who disagree, I can see them later huffing and puffing:

• What do you mean Christianity isn't a religion?
• What do you mean science is a religion?
• What do you mean atheism is a religion?

 

[AV1611VET]

The orbit of Mercury contradicted the law of gravity.

I think not.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Can I interpret this as stating that no matter what evidence we will find, you will never accept it as showing the Bible to be wrong?

You do not have any evidence. I forget the name of the commentary but there was a book written by a Catholic Seminary dropout that made everything in the Bible look like it is wrong and in error. But every one of those so called contradictions was based on the same faulty logic and reason. We can go over this as many times as you want until you finally understand that the Bible is just as predictable and testable as anything science has to offer. If anyone thinks there is a problem with the Bible it always turns out that the problem is in their logic, reason, understanding and their missed attempt to understand the truth. That is why we are told let God be true and every man a liar. (Romans 3:4) The Bible stands up to every test that the Scientific Method has. That is why we are told: "come let us reason together" (Isaiah 1:18)

With the Bible we have to be as a Child to understand. This can cause some confusion for some people that think we need to be an adult to understand. There is a certain degree of innocence and purity needed to understand the Purity of the Truth that we find in the Bible. As the world becomes more defiled and corrupt the Bride of Christ will become more radiant and pure. We will see more and more of the power of God at work in people as they have more evil to overcome.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The orbit of Mercury contradicted the law of gravity.

I am talking about gravity itself. Not man's vain attempt to understand or explain gravity. We know that the universe is very accurate and precise. Math is very predictable. You can use the scientific method to study gravity. In the same way the laws we find in the Bible are just as accurate and predictable as the laws of science are. Pat Robertson in his book talks about: The law of reciprocity, the law of use, the law of perseverance and so on. Thomas Edison knew about the law of perseverance. As a construction worker I know that you do not quit. You keep working and eventually you will finish the project. Even when everything looks impossible you keep working on a solution and eventually you will find a way to get it to work.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am talking about gravity itself. Not man's vain attempt to understand or explain gravity.

The Bible is also man's vain attempt to understand nature. It can be wrong just like Newton's Law of Gravity was wrong.

We know that the universe is very accurate and precise.

That doesn't even make sense. If I showed you two rocks, which would be the most accurate? Which rock is the most precise?

Math is very predictable.

Nature is not.

You can use the scientific method to study gravity. In the same way the laws we find in the Bible are just as accurate and predictable as the laws of science are.

Did you already forget that Newton's Law of Gravity is wrong?

 

[AV1611VET]

The Bible is also man's vain attempt to understand nature.

Then I'm Genghis Khan.

The Bible speaks of an expanding universe and electronic communications long before our Egyptian (worldly) scientists discovered/invented them.

It can be wrong just like Newton's Law of Gravity was wrong.

Tell that to these guys: