How can Creationism be falsified?

[HitchSlap]

How many times does it have to be explained to you that there are not two creation accounts before you stop repeating this falsehood?

They weren't even written by the same author. And yes, the creation order is different.

 

[KWCrazy]

So you can just make stuff up? How about we start with the evidence and not with the conclusion?

The evidence is that the origination of anything from nothing is possible; yet we exist. Our Creator told us how and why. We have yet to find another explanation.

We already know that your position is unfalsifiable. We don't have to prove your Woo wrong. You have to present evidence for your claim.

No.
You want to look at this scientifically let's look at it scientifically.
Scientifically provable means of origination- 0.
Scientific answer for the unique soul specific to humans- 0.
Scientific answer for the intrinsic knowledge of good and evil- 0.
Scientific proof that the supernatural does not exist and ALL experiences to the contrary are fabrications- 0.
Evidence of God: God is knowable. The change in people who accept Christ is undeniable. The peace he can bestow on our lives is undeniable. The evidence of His glory is throughout the world around us.

Correct, we currently have no method to confirm supernatural causation.

Neither have you any means of denying it. Science is the study of the natural world. Period. You cannot validate or invalidate the supernatural by natural means. Archeologists have discovered lost cities by using the Bible as a guide, though it is not a history book. The fact is, anyone who seeks to know the Lord may find Him... even you. Amazing, isn't it?

 

[KWCrazy]

They weren't even written by the same author. And yes, the creation order is different.

Since your comprehension level has been established, I'll keep that in mind. You could better educate yourself by reading this.

 

[Speedwell]

Since your comprehension level has been established, I'll keep that in mind. You could better educate yourself by reading this.

Which only goes to show the lengths to which people will go to defend a shallow and theologically inadequate interpretation of scripture. It's amazing.

 

[Skreeper]

The evidence is that the origination of anything from nothing is possible; yet we exist.

I think you meant to say "anything from nothing is impossible". I don't see anyone claiming that the universe came from nothing though.

Our Creator told us how and why

There's the claim, where is the evidence?

We have yet to find another explanation.

Just because we have no explanation doesn't mean you get to make stuff up.

The change in people who accept Christ is undeniable.

The change in people who accept Brahma is undeniable. Therefore Hinduism is correct.

The peace he can bestow on our lives is undeniable. The evidence of His glory is throughout the world around us.

More nonsense.

Neither have you any means of denying it.

Do you believe everything unless it is proven false?

Amazing, isn't it?

So far nothing you have posted is something I would label amazing.

 

[HitchSlap]

Since your comprehension level has been established, I'll keep that in mind. You could better educate yourself by reading this.

Lol
Equivocation at it's finest. If you are willing to accept this devotional explanation over an historical critical analysis, well then, you're deserving of criticism.

Question: do you know why different words for vegetation were used in the different accounts?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Instead of repeating Creationist PRATTS why not discuss the topic of the thread?

We would stop mentioning them if you would care to comment on them instead of avoiding them.

The shifting sands of science... what did God say about planting your flag on the sand.when He told us to dwell on the rock... the Word of God.

The landscape of modern theoretical science is littered with the corpses of modified or defunct theories, suppositions and cherished ideologies. The Bible has told the same story for thousands of years... yet a few hundred years of mans "wisdom" is going to trump what God clearly said in the Bible? The god of reason and wisdom is exalted above God.... that is an idol.

 

[USincognito]

Maybe this one?

Petrified trees have been found projecting upright through multiple layers of strata, supposedly representing millions of years of sediment deposits. Impossible for these trees to have survived that long to be slowly covered over.

That never happened. So called polystate trees aren't found going through geological strata, but through seasonal strata or in flood plains with annual strata.

 

[USincognito]

Yet his findings are published in geology journals....

Citation?

 

[USincognito]

Find the common ancestor and it's evolutionary progress. Prove that it was impossible for the creation to not have happened in the order it did.

ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!

 

[USincognito]

How about the commonly held belief that the arctic cap ice is millions of years old based on the layering of the ice and being able to counts the "rings" to determine age.

Sounded good until a WWII squadron of 8 planes was left on a glacier in Greenland and when discovered 70 years later, was buried under 270 feet of ice.

Oh my word. This thread is a PRATT parade.
1. Greenland ice cores go back about 600,000 years.
2. Glacier girl was buried on the coast where more snow falls than the interior, which is where the ice core samples are drilled.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Let's begin with bacteria, which over a period of time, evolved new enzyme systems.

Bacteria incidentally exposed to these insecticides have evolved mechanisms to degrade them so that they can use them as sources of nutrients to increase their rates of reproduction and proliferation. Within a few decades, entirely new catabolic pathways dedicated to insecticide mineralization have emerged. For example, at least three distinct metabolic routes have developed specifically for the catabolism of the insecticidal carbamate carbofuran (e.g. Behki and Topp 1993; Chaudhry et al. 2002; Yan et al. 2007). Many bacterial enzymes and pathways have been extensively characterized at the molecular level (Ellis et al. 2001; Scott et al. 2008; Gao et al. 2010), although it is very likely that we are just beginning to understand the extent of this catabolic diversity.
The evolution of new enzyme function: lessons from xenobiotic metabolizing bacteria versus insecticide-resistant insects

The insecticides did not exist prior to their development, so we know these bacteria evolved the new systems to take advantage of them.

But in the final analysis they were still bacteria... facinating example of environmental adaptation though.

 

[The Barbarian]

(Barbarian is challenged to show a favorable mutation and provides one)
Let's begin with bacteria, which over a period of time, evolved new enzyme systems.

(sound of goalposts being frantically repositioned)

But in the final analysis they were still bacteria...

Which is like saying "sure, humans evolved from primates, but in the final analysis, they're still primates." Actually, it's more like saying "vertebrates evolved from eukaryotes, but in the final analysis, they're still eukaryotes." The point, of course, is that favorable mutations are quite common in evolution.

I'm stunned that any creationist would still be trying that one.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Oh my word. This thread is a PRATT parade.
1. Greenland ice cores go back about 600,000 years.
2. Glacier girl was buried on the coast where more snow falls than the interior, which is where the ice core samples are drilled.

So if 50 years of ice equals 270 feet how thick was the core to determine 600,000 years?

 

[USincognito]

Evolution is unfalsifiable pseudoscience.
So there.

Why are you repeating a lie?

Actually, God created a mature planet, ready to support life.

It's easy to argue when you just make stuff up.

 

[The Barbarian]

That never happened. So called polystate trees aren't found going through geological strata, but through seasonal strata or in flood plains with annual strata.

There are some forming near my house. A dam flooded some woods. Decades later, the tree trunks are still standing, and layer after layer of sediment is slowly burying them.

 

[USincognito]

So if 50 years of ice equals 270 feet how thick was the core to determine 600,000 years?

Are you ignoring the fact that snow falls in heavier amounts on coast and in lighter amounts at the interior?

Also are aware of the fact that the samples are analyzed and that different layers have different isotope ratios indicating they are from different years? Did you know some layers have ash from ancient volcanic eruptions?

 

[Jimmy D]

We would stop mentioning them if you would care to comment on them instead of avoiding them.

I doubt it, given the amount of times they get trotted out on these forums. I wasn't being obtuse, I was saying that those points have been refuted a thousand times already.

The shifting sands of science... what did God say about planting your flag on the sand.when He told us to dwell on the rock... the Word of God.

I don't understand this attitude. Are you saying that it's better to cling dogmatically to ideas that can be shown demonstable false if new evidence comes to light - geocentrism for example.

The landscape of modern theoretical science is littered with the corpses of modified or defunct theories, suppositions and cherished ideologies. The Bible has told the same story for thousands of years... yet a few hundred years of mans "wisdom" is going to trump what God clearly said in the Bible? The god of reason and wisdom is exalted above God.... that is an idol.

See my previous response. You enjoy the fruits of the scientific method every day, you did so when typing that message.

I should point out that I'm not denigrating the bible here, I don't doubt that for many people it contains spiritual guidance and comfort. The problems arise when certain interpretations don't comport with observable reality and ignorance ensues.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Evidence of God: God is knowable. The change in people who accept Christ is undeniable

What about the change in people who become scientologists?
Or muslims?
Or hindu's?

Do you really believe that christianity has a monopoly on changing people's lives?

I'ld say that it is a rather reasonable expectation, that if someone changes their worldview, they will change how they see things and by extension, their behaviour and decision making process.....

Why would you expect otherwise?

And obviously, if your change in worldview comes down to clinging to some ideology / dogma / doctrine... then obviously the changes in your life will be geared towards that particular ideology / dogma / doctrine.

I wonder what you think is so special about that, in case the ideology is christianity.

Neither have you any means of denying it.

Nore do we need any such means.
Burden of proof and all...

Science is the study of the natural world. Period. You cannot validate or invalidate the supernatural by natural means.

If the supernatural would have any kind of effect on the natural, then it would have some kind of manifestation wich should be detectable / measureable.

Archeologists have discovered lost cities by using the Bible as a guide, though it is not a history book.

2000 years from now, archeologists would also be able to locate New York using Marvel Comics.

The fact is, anyone who seeks to know the Lord may find Him... even you. Amazing, isn't it?

Not really.

 

[rjs330]

They weren't even written by the same author. And yes, the creation order is different.

Yes the accounts are different, but I have a sneaking suspicion that your point of view on the differences have nothing to do with the actual understanding of what the differences are and what it means. Do you believe the differences show that it's to completely different orders of creation or do you believe that the differences are in detail and not order? I have the feeling you think it's based on order. That is a completely false idea which come from those who wish to proclaim Genesis false.