How can Creationism be falsified?

[Daniel Marsh]

How can Creationism be falsified?

What testable models, claims do Creationists make?

 

[Daniel Marsh]

How can Creationism be falsified?

What testable models, claims do Creationists make?

I do not have answers, I am looking for books with proof that can be examined.

 

[The Barbarian]

ICR claims there can be no intermediate forms between land animals and whales. Finding a transitional between those two groups would of course invalidate creationism as the ICR believes in it.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

How can Creationism be falsified?

What testable models, claims do Creationists make?

Not sure of your question but I'll try to slot something in to consider..

Evolution states (assumes) that the earth cooled slowly over millions of years. Yet there are polonium isotope halos captured within the bedrock of the earth, the granites, that could only be there if the granite cooled within minutes. Otherwise the off gassing of the polonium would have escaped the granite and not captured within the rock. Polonium has a very short half life....

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Here's another... evolutionists have assumed that coal was formed over long periods of time but laboratory tests have proven that coalification of wood can start to happen within a month of pressure and heat being applied to the wood.

 

[JackRT]

Not sure of your question but I'll try to slot something in to consider..

Evolution states (assumes) that the earth cooled slowly over millions of years. Yet there are polonium isotope halos captured within the bedrock of the earth, the granites, that could only be there if the granite cooled within minutes. Otherwise the off gassing of the polonium would have escaped the granite and not captured within the rock. Polonium has a very short half life....

Robert Gentry is a proven liar.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Maybe this one?

Petrified trees have been found projecting upright through multiple layers of strata, supposedly representing millions of years of sediment deposits. Impossible for these trees to have survived that long to be slowly covered over.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Robert Gentry is a proven liar.

Source? Calling a professing Christian a liar is a serious charge... evidence would be helpful to avoid bearing false witness.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Robert Gentry is a proven liar.

Yet his findings are published in geology journals....

 

[rjs330]

Find the common ancestor and it's evolutionary progress. Prove that it was impossible for the creation to not have happened in the order it did.

 

[JackRT]

Source? Calling a professing Christian a liar is a serious charge... evidence would be helpful to avoid bearing false witness.

In sworn testimony before a court in Louisiana, he had to admit that he had falsified evidence. By the way in these forums I have seen all sorts of people, Christians or not, called liars.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Consider this little scenario....

An organism early in the evolutionary model mutates successfully (even though this goes against natures observable pattern of eliminating mutations) after thousands or even millions of reproduction cycles over a long stretch of time. This mutated "new" organism then has to reproduce itself with this new mutated coding in it's DNA. Considering the millions of times it supposedly took for the initial mutation to occur in the first place, do you think all of a sudden this newly mutated organism miraculously began reproducing successfully? And how did this model fare when it required two organisms to procreate to reproduce? How long a time or is it statistically possible for tow identical mutations to occur so they can now produce this newly formed organism? Then consider that this seemingly impossible feat had to be repeated again and again for each mutation to evolve into something completely different to the point that you have millions of different genomes and families of animals, plants and minerals today.

Seems like a fairy tale to me, but I'm more practically minded than some....

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

In sworn testimony before a court in Louisiana, he had to admit that he had falsified evidence. By the way in these forums I have seen all sorts of people, Christians or not, called liars.

Could you cite the trial please to see what he was forced to retract?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

How about the commonly held belief that the arctic cap ice is millions of years old based on the layering of the ice and being able to counts the "rings" to determine age.

Sounded good until a WWII squadron of 8 planes was left on a glacier in Greenland and when discovered 70 years later, was buried under 270 feet of ice.

 

[JackRT]

My apologies, the trial was not in Louisiana but in Arkansas. Refer to "McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education" (1982).

 

[HitchSlap]

Here's another... evolutionists have assumed that coal was formed over long periods of time but laboratory tests have proven that coalification of wood can start to happen within a month of pressure and heat being applied to the wood.

Does this naturally occur?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

In sworn testimony before a court in Louisiana, he had to admit that he had falsified evidence. By the way in these forums I have seen all sorts of people, Christians or not, called liars.

Interestingly, I could find not citation of Robert Gentry having retracted anything at trial...

What I did find is most interesting and I would like to thank JackRT for sending me searching for the truth on the matter.

From this website is this opening statement...

SCIENTISTS SPEAK ABOUT GENTRY'S FINDINGS

Careful scientists have closely analyzed Robert Gentry's research and methodology, and recommend that his findings be thoughtfully considered. It should be kept in mind that he used the latest technology to carry on his studies.

Yet those findings are truly astounding. The major basement rocks of our planet did not originate from the gradual cooling of molten lava, as evolutionists maintain, but came into existence in their present solid form! God created everything; the evidence clearly points to it. This is science vs. evolution—a Creation-Evolution Encyclopedia, brought to you by Creation Science Facts.

This material is excerpted from the book, ORIGIN OF THE EARTH. An asterisk ( * ) by a name indicates that person is not known to be a creationist. Of over 4,000 quotations in the books this Encyclopedia is based on, only 164 statements are by creationists.
You will have a better understanding of the following statements by scientists if you will also read the web page, Origin of the Earth.

Reputable scientists have found the research work of Robert Gentry to be beyond reproach, and his conclusions unimpeachable. Here are some of the statements they have made:

Then it goes on to quote some of the 4000 statements by these men of science.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Does this naturally occur?

What the lab work proves is that in the presence of pressure and heat, wood can become coalified in a short period of time. In some coal mines, miners have discovered metal objects in the middle of the seams.

 

[HitchSlap]

Find the common ancestor and it's evolutionary progress. Prove that it was impossible for the creation to not have happened in the order it did.

You've only to read the two different creation accounts in G1/2.

 

[HitchSlap]

What the lab work proves is that in the presence of pressure and heat, wood can become coalified in a short period of time. In some coal mines, miners have discovered metal objects in the middle of the seams.

So, is this how coal is made then? By heating up wood, and applying pressure?