How can Creationism be falsified?

[Speedwell]

Yes the accounts are different, but I have a sneaking suspicion that your point of view on the differences have nothing to do with the actual understanding of what the differences are and what it means. Do you believe the differences show that it's to completely different orders of creation or do you believe that the differences are in detail and not order? I have the feeling you think it's based on order. That is a completely false idea which come from those who wish to proclaim Genesis false.

How, exactly, does saying that the accounts have two different human authors "proclaim Genesis false?"

 

[Loudmouth]

What the lab work proves is that in the presence of pressure and heat, wood can become coalified in a short period of time. In some coal mines, miners have discovered metal objects in the middle of the seams.

A house can be built in a few months. Does this mean that there are no 100 year old houses?

 

[Loudmouth]

Denying evidence instead of refuting it does not qualify as "all have been found false"

I recommend Robert Gentry's polonium halos in granite as one example where he has specifically asked for it to be scientifically falsified and no one has been able to since 1973.

The fact that the rocks containing the supposed polonium halos intrude into fossil bearing strata poses a rather large problem. This would require God to create the Earth with fossils already in the ground.

The real story is that those halos were created by Radon that moved through the rock when it was remelted.
"Polonium Haloes" Refuted

 

[Loudmouth]

He envisioned a mature planet and created it.

How does one falsify that claim?

 

[Loudmouth]

We would stop mentioning them if you would care to comment on them instead of avoiding them.

The shifting sands of science... what did God say about planting your flag on the sand.when He told us to dwell on the rock... the Word of God.

The landscape of modern theoretical science is littered with the corpses of modified or defunct theories, suppositions and cherished ideologies. The Bible has told the same story for thousands of years... yet a few hundred years of mans "wisdom" is going to trump what God clearly said in the Bible? The god of reason and wisdom is exalted above God.... that is an idol.

How is creationism falsifiable? What evidence, if found, would falsify creationism?

 

[AV1611VET]

How is creationism falsifiable?

It isn't.

Falsifiability is a scientific concept, and God didn't use science when He created the universe.

What evidence, if found, would falsify creationism?

None that I know of.

 

[Loudmouth]

It isn't.

By my count we have at least 2 creationists who have confirmed that creationism is unfalsifiable.

Any other creationists want to chime in?

 

[AV1611VET]

By my count we have at least 2 creationists who have confirmed that creationism is unfalsifiable.

Any other creationists want to chime in?

Just out of curiosity, is the Shroud of Turin considered a fossil?

 

[Loudmouth]

Just out of curiosity, is the Shroud of Turin considered a fossil?

Man made objects are considered to be artefacts. Fossils are organisms.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fossils are organisms.

Not all fossils though ... right?

Aren't impressions in rock considered fossils?

 

[Loudmouth]

Aren't impressions in rock considered fossils?

Perhaps. Some may referred to buried river channels as fossil rivers. That's a bit different than things past humans have made, which are described as artefacts.

 

[Biologist]

By my count we have at least 2 creationists who have confirmed that creationism is unfalsifiable.

Any other creationists want to chime in?

The general consensus is that Photoshop is a more plausible scenario than accepting the reality of an authentic photo. In order to disprove creationism you would have to demonstrate every detail of reality. Simultaneously in a single post using both layman's terms and mathematics. Then demonstrate that there are no liars that are possibly contaminating your falsification of creationism. After all that, you will find that the only concession to be made is embedded age creationism and reality embedded miracles(Because the holiest of Holies was active, or it was before the fall of man).

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

(Barbarian is challenged to show a favorable mutation and provides one)
Let's begin with bacteria, which over a period of time, evolved new enzyme systems.

(sound of goalposts being frantically repositioned)


Which is like saying "sure, humans evolved from primates, but in the final analysis, they're still primates." Actually, it's more like saying "vertebrates evolved from eukaryotes, but in the final analysis, they're still eukaryotes." The point, of course, is that favorable mutations are quite common in evolution.

I'm stunned that any creationist would still be trying that one.

Are we only enzymes away from the primates becoming human? I could have sworn there was more to our differences than that...

 

[Loudmouth]

Are we only enzymes away from the primates becoming human? I could have sworn there was more to our differences than that...

Do you think some of the genetic differences between us and other apes are beneficial to humans?

 

[The Barbarian]

Are we only enzymes away from the primates becoming human?

One of us made it... But it was about 2-6 percent of our genes, not "only enzymes."

I could have sworn there was more to our differences than that...

It's really more in the timing of development. We tend to be neotonous compared to other apes.

Would you like to learn about that?

But of course, we were debunking the false belief that there are no favorable mutations.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Are you ignoring the fact that snow falls in heavier amounts on coast and in lighter amounts at the interior?

Also are aware of the fact that the samples are analyzed and that different layers have different isotope ratios indicating they are from different years? Did you know some layers have ash from ancient volcanic eruptions?

When you say "ancient volcanic eruptions", I'll assume you have a definitive date stamp on the events that layed down those layers. Otherwise it would just be conjecture and that would be silly...

Could you also provide which elements were tested for to produce the isotope ratios year on year? Also, how is isotope presence or variance indicative of age... in other words, what standard is used to determine x amount of change equals x number of years?
Thanx...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The fact that the rocks containing the supposed polonium halos intrude into fossil bearing strata poses a rather large problem. This would require God to create the Earth with fossils already in the ground.

Circular reasoning... you assume the fossil bearing layer represents something therefore it skews your understandign of the granite next to it.

 

[Loudmouth]

Circular reasoning... you assume the fossil bearing layer represents something therefore it skews your understandign of the granite next to it.

No circular reasoning. In order for granite to intrude into another geologic stratum the stratum has to be there first so that the granite can intrude into it. Simple logic.

The geologic strata that the granite intrudes into contains fossils. This means the fossils had to form prior to the granite intruding into it. If, according to Gentry, the granite with the polonium halos is "Genesis" rock, then this means God also had to create the fossil bearing layers at the same time with the fossils already in them.

 

[USincognito]

When you say "ancient volcanic eruptions", I'll assume you have a definitive date stamp on the events that layed down those layers.

Yeah, that would be P-Ar dating. You should try reading up on it.

Otherwise it would just be conjecture and that would be silly...

Awww, it's so cute when Creationists try and use magic words to poof away evidence in a cloud of smoke.

Could you also provide which elements were tested for to produce the isotope ratios year on year? Also, how is isotope presence or variance indicative of age... in other words, what standard is used to determine x amount of change equals x number of years?

Microsoft and Apple must because it seems that every computer owned by a Creationist lacks a search engine. Thank fully mine does have one. Ten seconds of typing and voila!
Paleoclimatology: The Oxygen Balance : Feature Articles
>> Paleoclimatologists use oxygen ratios from water trapped in glaciers as well as the oxygen absorbed in the shells of marine plants and animals to measure past temperatures and rainfall. <<

Dating using impurity measurements – University of Copenhagen
>> When dating an ice core by counting annual layers, one can use data of any kind that has an annual cycle. The variation in isotopic composition (δ18O and δD) of the ice reflects the annual temperature cycle and is the most widely used parameter for annual layer counting in ice cores (read more about this here), but this approach cannot be used for the older parts of ice cores or from ice cores from sites with low annual snow accumulation. <<

How are past temperatures determined from an ice core?
>> From the very deepest ice cores reaching depths of more than three kilometers in the Antarctic ice sheet, we can clearly see the steady pulsing of the ice ages on a period of about 100,000 years. From a site called Dome C in Antarctica, we have recently reconstructed the climate spanning the last three quarters of a million years, and have shown seven ice ages, each interspersed with a warm interglacial climate such as the one we are living in today. <<

 

[Loudmouth]

When you say "ancient volcanic eruptions", I'll assume you have a definitive date stamp on the events that layed down those layers. Otherwise it would just be conjecture and that would be silly...

Could you also provide which elements were tested for to produce the isotope ratios year on year? Also, how is isotope presence or variance indicative of age... in other words, what standard is used to determine x amount of change equals x number of years?
Thanx...

The decay of isotopes is determined by fundamental nuclear forces. In order for decay rates to change you would need to change the fundamental laws of the universe that also affect things like our own Sun and the chemical reactions going on in your body.

These isotopes tick away at a known and measured rate. In order to measure age, we measure the decay products and the amount of the parent isotope still in the rock using mass spectrometry (machines that measure the amount of material and its atomic weight). From there, it is a simple matter of doing the math.