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What Happens when Oil Runs Out?

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100's of resources. More than two. There is a limit to how much sun hits the earth and limits on how much room we have to collect it. But most other resources have no limits. Oh, and we don't want to interfere with wind patterns to much. The Butterfly Effect and all that.

Limited in the sense of being renewable and non-renewable. We don't have to worry about renewing the wind or water currents or the fuel garnered from plants because they are practically a stable fixture of our environment or else easily renewed by planting. But the petro chemical on which we are presently dependent isn't that way.

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I'm not just inventing terminology or giving a personal opinion, I took an elective course in environmental science and renewability-and non-renewability of resources was a basic concept of the curriculum.
 
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Limited in the sense of being renewable and non-renewable. We don't have to worry about renewing the wind or water currents or the fuel garnered from plants because they are practically a stable fixture of our environment or else easily renewed by planting. But the petro chemical on which we are presently dependent isn't that way.

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I'm not just inventing terminology or giving a personal opinion, I took an elective course in environmental science and renewability-and non-renewability of resources was a basic concept of the curriculum.


Your course was all propaganda. Every energy source has
costs involved and side effects. If you SHADE the earth
with massive solar farms, just imagine the environmental
destruction you could cause. Evaporation rates, ground
cooling, wind patterns, you might influence weather with
enough solar panels.

Wind farms? Same problem.

Water power? The downside is well known.

The "non-renewable" resources will last forever
as the price on them increases and we switch
to more expensive energy sources.

"Renewable" resources also have limits on
how much we can suck from the environment
and the space to gather the weak-slow energy
back into fast usable energy.

The number of dams we can build is limited.
The number of solar panels we can erect and afford is limited.
The number of acres with steady winds is limited.
Locally wind farms are built on higher terrain in
an area with steady wind. In town, our wind mills
sit still and silent, quit often.
And windmills don't last forever anyway.

Likely your course ignored all the limitations
of renewables.
 
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So now you are shifting your complaints away from the source?
I guess the source was OK after all, in your book.

When the source is WND it is a waste of time to even try to read it given the high number of fake news stories at the site. All I was asking for was a more reliable source.

As it turns out, the bad science you are pointing to is fringe science and is rejected by the vast majority of geologists. We already have mountains of evidence demonstrating that the oil we are harvesting comes from biological sources, starting with the carbon isotope ratios that are consistent with photosynthesis as the source of carbon fixation.
 
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Part of a quote from the article.

"Traditional petro-geologists, they say, have confused the rock as the originator rather than the depository of the hydrocarbons."

How would they know the difference? Answer, there is no way.

How is there no way? Please, explain.
 
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I will probably be gone as well if the oil lasts us past 15 more years.
But considering the consequent scenarios that the videos describe as probably developing maybe that is best.
We have a 200 year supply.
Combined with alternative energy sources we could easily double that.
Factor in coal and we're good for 500 years.
Running out of energy will not destroy us. Running out of faith will.
 
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We have a 200 year supply.
Combined with alternative energy sources we could easily double that.
Factor in coal and we're good for 500 years.
Running out of energy will not destroy us. Running out of faith will.

Well, if we have a 500 year supply I guess everyone is just crying wolf.
Glad to hear that.
 
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More bicycling, walking, and even a partial return to the horse and buggy for short distances would definitely contribute.
How about magnetic rail?
Hydrogen power cells?
Diesel/electric automobiles?
 
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Well, if we have a 500 year supply I guess everyone is just crying wolf.
Glad to hear that.
They are.
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Based on U.S. coal production in 2014 of about 1 billion short tons, the U.S. estimated recoverable coal reserves would last about 256 years.

The point is that there isn't an energy crisis. We have greater problems to worry about.
 
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Based on U.S. coal production in 2014 of about 1 billion short tons, the U.S. estimated recoverable coal reserves would last about 256 years.

The point is that there isn't an energy crisis. We have greater problems to worry about.

On top of that, fossil fuels are a dirty fuel that pump greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. We currently have the technology to use much cleaner sources of energy, and we should do it.
 
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Based on U.S. coal production in 2014 of about 1 billion short tons, the U.S. estimated recoverable coal reserves would last about 256 years.

The point is that there isn't an energy crisis. We have greater problems to worry about.
Sounds good in a way. However, it does enable further environmental degradation.
 
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Sounds good in a way. However, it does enable further environmental degradation.
Not really. Coal can be burned fairly cleanly with all the scrubbers that we have now. Keep in mind that the eruption of Mt St Helens put more pollution in the air than man has caused in his existence and the environment absorbed it. The risk of using coal is not so great so long as we can safely extract it. We also have natural gas. We can convert human and animal waste to methane, which we can also burn cleanly. The key is to continue producing what we can use now while searching for intelligent alternatives.
 
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Not really. Coal can be burned fairly cleanly with all the scrubbers that we have now.


The end product is still CO2.

Keep in mind that the eruption of Mt St Helens put more pollution in the air than man has caused in his existence and the environment absorbed it.

The environment has not absorbed the extra CO2 we have pumped into it. We are currently over 400 ppm, about 125 ppm over natural levels found in early 1800's before the Industrial Revolution.

We can convert human and animal waste to methane, which we can also burn cleanly.

Which also converts to CO2.
 
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Your source often reports lies, so your source is not valid.

Poisoning the well. Prove that this single article is a lie.

Obama and Clinton lied almost constantly. They still may have accidentally spoken the truth once or twice.
 
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This video provides a very informative explanation about what would occur once our oil runs out and concerning the alternatives that might be employed in order to get mankind on its feet once more industrially. The question is if indeed algae is the solution as the video indicates, why not being the shift over to it now? Why wait for a disaster to strike?


Failing to plan is planning to fail!


The problem seems to be that the majority of mankind doesn't really appreciate the difference between renewable, such as sunlight, wind, hydraulic via water currents, ethanol which is a product of fermentation, and nonrenewable energy sources such as oil, and carbon.

Such ignorance seems to give them the impression that our present way of life which depends on the depletion of oil which is non-renewable is a permanent condition when it is indeed a temporary one soon to come to a sudden end with disastrous consequences unless we take precautionary action now.
We'll never run out of oil. It's price and scarcity will simply keep rising until it is too expensive to use. The fear of "running out of oil" is more precisely understood as an unexpected sudden escalation of its price, and that is a little scary—unless you have built your faith on rock putting your trust in God, then it won't matter.
 
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We'll never run out of oil. It's price and scarcity will simply keep rising until it is too expensive to use. The fear of "running out of oil" is more precisely understood as an unexpected sudden escalation of its price, and that is a little scary—unless you have built your faith on rock putting your trust in God, then it won't matter.

Very true from a purely biblical perspective. If we have faith in the Biblical promises then we don't perceive such things as threats to Earth's ultimate destiny but simply consider them temporary distractions. However, as assigned caretakers of the Earth, as Genesis points out-we are definitely responsible for any damage that we inflict on the environment and are expected to refrain from doing so. Instead of a careless attitude, we are expected to care since we were originally assigned to gradually transform the Earth into a global paradise under divine supervision. So simply saying that we have faith and going about ignoring the problems or even adding to them via environmental degradation isn't a biblically justifiable viewpoint as I am sure you will agree..
 
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Based on U.S. coal production in 2014 of about 1 billion short tons, the U.S. estimated recoverable coal reserves would last about 256 years.

The point is that there isn't an energy crisis. We have greater problems to worry about.
Not very many problems are greater than planning for our planet's future. If we want a viable world for our children's grandchildren, we must lower greenhouse emissions and search for alternative fuels now BEFORE there is a crisis. It's like do you go to the gas station and get gas when you have a quarter tank or are you are on the side of the road with an empty tank because you ran out of gas? No cell phone, nobody is stopping and the nearest gas station is 5-10 miles back. You could have got gas at that station but instead of planning you decided you had greater problems to worry about because you had to get to work. Now you are missing more work for lack of planning.

It's not the same but similar. We can keep going like we are and we'll be fine and may be our kids too. Soon after the oil will be so expensive that the prices for every day items with petrol products in them are so high and gas is so high,people will be losing jobs left and right because they can't get to work. Food prices will go up because of no automated production or transportation. Because so many are out of work there will be so much competition for jobs that it will be hard to find employment doing anything. So on and so on, and who knows how it will affect theft, police and emergency response services so in some cities there could be chaos. Oh yeah, then you have things like prescription,blood, and plasma,transportation, US mail and shipping services,the explosion of gangs and violence who are taking control of the black markets.
 
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