Republican Attempt to Roll Back Fair Housing Measures

[iluvatar5150]

The Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Rule requires cities that receive HUD funds to take steps to analyze and report on issues of housing segregation. Some Republicans want to roll that back.

Background:
Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing (AFFH) Final Rule - HUD Exchange
Affirmatively furthering fair housing - Wikipedia

The new bill:
https://getliberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Local-Zoning-Decisions-Protection-Act-2017.pdf

SEC. 2. NULLIFICATION OF RULES AND NOTICES.
(a) FINAL RULE.—The final rule of the Department of Housing and Urban Development entitled ‘‘Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing’’, published in the Federal Register on July 16, 2015 (80 Fed. Reg. 42272; Docket No. FR–5173–F–04) and any successor rule that is substantially similar to such final rule shall have no force or effect.

(b) NOTICE.—The notice of the Department of Housing and Urban Development relating to the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing Assessment Tool, published in the Federal Register on December 31, 2015 (80 Fed. Reg. 81840; Docket No. FR–5173–N–07) and any successor notice or rule substantially similar to such notice shall have no force or effect.

SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no Federal funds may be used to design, build, maintain, utilize, or provide access to a Federal database of geospatial information on community racial disparities or disparities in access to affordable housing.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Specifically, affirmatively furthering fair housing means taking meaningful actions that, taken together, address significant disparities in housing needs and in access to opportunity, replacing segregated living patterns with truly integrated and balanced living patterns, transforming racially and ethnically concentrated areas of poverty into areas of opportunity, and fostering and maintaining compliance with civil rights and fair housing laws.

Please explain how you would enforce this where private property is concerned? Would you use imminent domain to take private property to accomplish this?

It needs to be 86ed

 

[iluvatar5150]

Specifically, affirmatively furthering fair housing means taking meaningful actions that, taken together, address significant disparities in housing needs and in access to opportunity, replacing segregated living patterns with truly integrated and balanced living patterns, transforming racially and ethnically concentrated areas of poverty into areas of opportunity, and fostering and maintaining compliance with civil rights and fair housing laws.

Please explain how you would enforce this where private property is concerned? Would you use imminent domain to take private property to accomplish this?

What are you talking about?

This is for cities that take HUD money to administer HUD and other housing programs, t make sure those programs are being implemented in a manner that's fair and that doesn't further segregation. If you poke around the first link I provided, you can find more information.

What is AFFH, or Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing? - HUD Exchange
Is HUD mandating the construction of affordable housing, the relocation of - HUD Exchange

It needs to be 86ed

Why don't you learn about what it actually does before saying it should be killed?

 

[4x4toy]

Requiring drug testing of all government workers, elected officials and welfare recipients for illegal drug use would be nice too ..

 

[thecolorsblend]

Nobody has ever explained to me why this is needed.

Seriously, suppose someone just doesn't want to live next door to someone of a different race. Why is forced integration automatically assumed to be the obviously correct approach? Do we or do we not have freedom of association in this country?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Nobody has ever explained to me why this is needed.

Seriously, suppose someone just doesn't want to live next door to someone of a different race. Why is forced integration automatically assumed to be the obviously correct approach. Do we or do we not have freedom of association in this country?

It's not just about where people live. It's also about the economic well-being and political clout that those areas ultimately have. By segregating the people with power and money from the people without power and money, you ultimately wind up leaving certain areas to rot. Following a policy like what you described gives you the racially-segregated ghettos we've had for the last several decades. How well has that worked out?

And it's not forced integration. It's preventing the encouragement of further segregation - there is a difference. Forced segregation is what the government already did, which caused a bunch of problems.

 

[Winken]

Specifically, affirmatively furthering fair housing means taking meaningful actions that, taken together, address significant disparities in housing needs and in access to opportunity, replacing segregated living patterns with truly integrated and balanced living patterns, transforming racially and ethnically concentrated areas of poverty into areas of opportunity, and fostering and maintaining compliance with civil rights and fair housing laws.

Please explain how you would enforce this where private property is concerned? Would you use imminent domain to take private property to accomplish this?

It needs to be 86ed

I recall Obama advancing the "merged neighborhoods" concept for those of all races, incomes, etc. POW! Imminent Domain, Inc.

 

[thecolorsblend]

It's not just about where people live. It's also about the economic well-being and political clout that those areas ultimately have. By segregating the people with power and money from the people without power and money, you ultimately wind up leaving certain areas to rot. Following a policy like what you described gives you the racially-segregated ghettos we've had for the last several decades. How well has that worked out?

And it's not forced integration. It's preventing the encouragement of further segregation - there is a difference. Forced segregation is what the government already did, which caused a bunch of problems.

I used to wonder where the balance was. And what I came to realize is that people tend to self-segregate. All the forced integration in the world doesn't seem to make better neighbors. Yes yes yes, everybody can think of exceptions but the rule seems to be that people don't like that. We can fight that by forcing integration or we can allow nature to accommodate integration in time.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

What are you talking about?

This is for cities that take HUD money to administer HUD and other housing programs, t make sure those programs are being implemented in a manner that's fair and that doesn't further segregation. If you poke around the first link I provided, you can find more information.

What is AFFH, or Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing? - HUD Exchange
Is HUD mandating the construction of affordable housing, the relocation of - HUD Exchange




Why don't you learn about what it actually does before saying it should be killed?

Do you work in the HUD arena?
Are you an expert on HUD requirements?

I like to know the background of someone who goes on the attack mode.

I do have knowledge in this arena.

 

[Winken]

My wife and I moved into our neighborhood 25 years ago. It was not interracial. Lawns were mowed, homes were kept up, street crews very active, automobile parking complied with municipal ordinances, neighbors went for walks day and evening, children played outside, we had a neighborhood security patrol that everyone financed.

10 years ago the bottom fell out. Just reverse everything I noted, above.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Requiring drug testing of all government workers, elected officials and welfare recipients for illegal drug use would be nice too ..

How costly would that be for tax payers? People seemed to act like this cost nothing. And don't tell me people on welfare can pay for it. If they could afford a good living. They wouldn't be on welfare.

 

[4x4toy]

How costly would that be for tax payers? People seemed to act like this cost nothing. And don't tell me people on welfare can pay for it. If they could afford a good living. They wouldn't be on welfare.

How costly is drug abuse ?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

How costly is drug abuse ?

It doesn't cost me anything, that I know. Welfare doesn't pay much. Most people I knew, that had a bad drug habit. Had to prostitute them self to pay for their drugs. So how much does drug testing cost us?

 

[4x4toy]

It doesn't cost me anything, that I know. Welfare doesn't pay much. Most people I knew, that had a bad drug habit. Had to prostitute them self to pay for their drugs. So how much does drug testing cost us?

I've drug tested just about every job I've had but I've never paid for one .. But drug abuse costs how much due to crime and not just in dollars ? I thank God for welfare ..

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I've drug tested just about every job I've had but I've never paid for one .. But drug abuse costs how much due to crime and not just in dollars ? I thank God for welfare ..

So your saying welfare keeps me safer. Since drug attics don't have to break into my home. Since they get welfare. Part of me rather keep the welfare going. So my house doesn't get broke into. Sad. Wouldn't it be better to get the Welfare recipients, that appear to be neglecting their kids to take a drug test. Instead of every welfare recipient

 

[4x4toy]

So your saying welfare keeps me safer. Since drug attics don't have to break into my home. Since they get welfare. Part of me rather keep the welfare going. So my house doesn't get broke into. Sad. Wouldn't it be better to get the Welfare recipients, that appear to be neglecting their kids to take a drug test. Instead of every welfare recipient

I'm saying illegal drugs destroy lives and drug testing identifies abuse .. Welfare recipients were not the only group I mentioned in post #4 ..

 

[Hank77]

I've drug tested just about every job I've had but I've never paid for one .. But drug abuse costs how much due to crime and not just in dollars ? I thank God for welfare ..

Most companies that do drug testing is because their worker's compensation insurance company requires it. Stoned people get hurt and cause accidents at hurt others.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I'm saying illegal drugs destroy lives and drug testing identifies abuse .. Welfare recipients were not the only group I mentioned in post #4 ..

I'm not sure drug testing will get rid of the problem. I could care less about the drug testing. I just wonder how much more will it cost. But it probably wont matter. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump got rid of welfare, food stamps, housing and medical. To build the wall.

 

[camille70]

States have already tried the drug testing for benefits. It costs more to do the test, than it save on the very small percentages of people they found using drugs.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I used to wonder where the balance was. And what I came to realize is that people tend to self-segregate. All the forced integration in the world doesn't seem to make better neighbors. Yes yes yes, everybody can think of exceptions but the rule seems to be that people don't like that. We can fight that by forcing integration or we can allow nature to accommodate integration in time.

Yeah, except that there are ways for cities to enforce segregation that the residents (or at least some of them) would not be inclined to do on their own. A big one is zoning rules. For example, if you want to keep your neighborhood exclusive, you put a minimum limit on the lot size or require that all the dwellings be single-family. That keeps out the poor, who are more likely to be minorities.

Do you work in the HUD arena?
Are you an expert on HUD requirements?

I like to know the background of someone who goes on the attack mode.

I do have knowledge in this arena.

Nope, but I can read enough to see that this has nothing to do with eminent domain.