Kerry’s Rage Against Israel

[bhsmte]

I guess Kerry showed them, eh?

Regardless of what Kerry said or didnt say yesterday, it doesnt change my opinion of the United States past tendency to have blind loyalty towards Israel.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Regardless of what Kerry said or didnt say yesterday, it doesnt change my opinion of the United States past tendency to have blind loyalty towards Israel.

They got pretty good spies, so I think we use them mostly for our eyes and ears across the ME. I mean their spies is the reason they have nukes, stealing it from us. Also, I believe all that aid money is used to buy weapons from us. So our trade deal is essentially like when your wife buys you a gift using your own bank account.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I can understand hatred of the Jewish State, but the US is not the only country that helps them and the US had very little with the development of the nuclear weapons that Israel does not have. France was the country that helped develop the nuclear bombs that they do not possess. The French built the Negev Nuclear Research Center for peaceful nuclear weapons non-construction, the same France that provided Israel with the Dassault Mirage III fighter jets that attacked the USS Liberty in 1967.

 

[redleghunter]

In the 2009 massacre of the Palestinians, 3 Israeli non-combatants died. This is pre-Iron Dome. And the # of Palestinians dead was ~1,400 with the majority of them being non-combatants.

Said during the 2014 massacre inflicted on Gazans by Israel:

"In a recorded message broadcast on July 29 by al-Aqsa television, Izzedin al-Qassam Brigades general commander Mohammad Daif declared that Gaza fighters were exclusively targeting active duty Israeli military personnel and avoiding attacks on civilians. So far, the Qassam Brigades have killed 65 Israeli soldiers, two Israeli civilians, one Thai worker, and wounded a kibbutz owl."

How Israel Used Its Own Civilians as Human Shields While Assaulting Gaza

And of those two Israeli civilians, one of them was distributing sweets to the IDF. This was the death toll as of 8/6/14. And the death toll on the Palestinian side was nearly 2,000 with ~70-80% of them being civilians according to the UN (~50% according to Israel).

So based on this, I think the one who should be accused of targeting civilians is Israel. Their army is the one with the sophisticated, guided weaponry, yet they kill far more non-combatants.

Propaganda from AlterNet.

 

[JackRT]

Sixty years ago I had the greatest admiration for the fledgling State of Israel. Today I am heartbroken that they have become what they fled from.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Propaganda from AlterNet.

How was the audio recording propaganda by alternet? All of a sudden alternet (which I dislike because of its stance about Syria) is actually the military wing of Hamas? They linked to this article by Middle East Eye as the source of this information: Hamas: we only target Israeli soldiers

The part of that post that wasn't in gray was from me, not alternet. What do you have to say about that recording, the rest of my post that gave stats about civilian casualties, and:

Hamas managed to get into Israel through tunnels in 2014 and....guess what? They only targeted the military and not non-combatants.

"We've already seen six instances in which Hamas was able to use the tunnels against Israel. Once when Gilad Shalit was captured, and the rest during the current operation. In all instances, Hamas' target were IDF soldiers, not the communities."

'New York Times' tunnels fantasy is exploded by Israeli site, 972

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Sixty years ago I had the greatest admiration for the fledgling State of Israel. Today I am heartbroken that they have become what they fled from.

It is strange that that happened.

 

[kingskid]

 

[Uncle Siggy]

I guess Kerry showed them, eh?

 

[redleghunter]

How was the audio recording propaganda by alternet? All of a sudden alternet (which I dislike because of its stance about Syria) is actually the military wing of Hamas? They linked to this article by Middle East Eye as the source of this information: Hamas: we only target Israeli soldiers

The part of that post that wasn't in gray was from me, not alternet. What do you have to say about that recording, the rest of my post that gave stats about civilian casualties, and:

Hamas managed to get into Israel through tunnels in 2014 and....guess what? They only targeted the military and not non-combatants.

"We've already seen six instances in which Hamas was able to use the tunnels against Israel. Once when Gilad Shalit was captured, and the rest during the current operation. In all instances, Hamas' target were IDF soldiers, not the communities."

'New York Times' tunnels fantasy is exploded by Israeli site, 972

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia

These are documented attacks on Israeli citizens with links to sources.


Hard to imagine the reason Palestinian youth are convinced of peaceful coexistence with children's programs like this one:

 

[mmksparbud]

A 2 state occupation is what is considered obtaining peace. How is a peace going to be kept when one side wants nothing less than to wipe you completely off the face of the earth? How does one extend the hand of peace to someone who will not only take your hand off, but want the rest of you dead also? We want to force Israel to get into bed with the one who wants not just to rape you, but to kill you. Why is that?

 

[brinny]

A 2 state occupation is what is considered obtaining peace. How is a peace going to be kept when one side wants nothing less than to wipe you completely off the face of the earth? How does one extend the hand of peace to someone who will not only take your hand off, but want the rest of you dead also? We want to force Israel to get into bed with the one who wants not just to rape you, but to kill you. Why is that?

inSANE, isn't it?

Reminds me of the "battered women's syndrome".

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia

These are documented attacks on Israeli citizens with links to sources.

Hard to imagine the reason Palestinian youth are convinced of peaceful coexistence with children's programs like this one:

The last one claimed by Hamas was in 2008 (including the last one by them that was targeting non-combatants, which is reprehensible). Whatever you want to say about them, the death tolls in the recent massacres (2012, 2014) indicate that Israel is the one that intentionally targets non-combatants (like little boys playing soccer on a beach) whereas Hamas generally does not any longer.

What's the excuse for Israel attacking the UN school in which people were seeking shelter? The UN gave the coordinates of this school 17 times to Israel but they still managed to hit it and kill people?

The U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which operated the school-turned-shelter in the Jabalya refugee camp, said it had gathered evidence, analyzed bomb fragments and examined craters after the attack. Its initial assessment was that three Israeli artillery shells hit the school where 3,300 people had sought refuge. U.N. says Israel violated international law, after shells hit school in Gaza - The Washington Post

 

[redleghunter]

The last one claimed by Hamas was in 2008 (including the last one by them that was targeting non-combatants, which is reprehensible). Whatever you want to say about them, the death tolls in the recent massacres (2012, 2014) indicate that Israel is the one that intentionally targets non-combatants (like little boys playing soccer on a beach) whereas Hamas generally does not any longer.

What's the excuse for Israel attacking the UN school in which people were seeking shelter? The UN gave the coordinates of this school 17 times to Israel but they still managed to hit it and kill people?

The U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which operated the school-turned-shelter in the Jabalya refugee camp, said it had gathered evidence, analyzed bomb fragments and examined craters after the attack. Its initial assessment was that three Israeli artillery shells hit the school where 3,300 people had sought refuge. U.N. says Israel violated international law, after shells hit school in Gaza - The Washington Post

Israeli defense forces and military do not directly attack non combatant protected sites unless the sites lose their protected status due to combatants in violation of LOAC use such sites.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

Hamas DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' | Daily Mail Online

Operation Human Shield | The Huffington Post

 

[redleghunter]

Palestinian Mickey Mouse now a martyr:

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Israeli defense forces and military do not directly attack non combatant protected sites unless the sites lose their protected status due to combatants in violation of LOAC use such sites.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/02/un-report-outlines-how-hamas-used-kids-as-human-shields/

Hamas DID use schools and hospitals in Gaza Strip as 'human shields' | Daily Mail Online

Operation Human Shield | The Huffington Post

So what about the UN school-turned-shelter that did not have any weapons? Israel was given the coordinates for it 17 times but it still hit it. Why?

And what about this:

4 boys playing soccer on a beach in Gaza were killed in broad daylight in front of the press. One was killed in one strike and the other 3 were pictured running away from the scene of the first shelling yet they were targeted as well.

What made the beach lose its protected status? What made those boys lose their non-combatant status just playing soccer on the beach? What made the boys a target after the initial strike. Is running away a legitimate reason to kill children?

 

[redleghunter]

So what about the UN school-turned-shelter that did not have any weapons? Israel was given the coordinates for it 17 times but it still hit it. Why?

And what about this:

4 boys playing soccer on a beach in Gaza were killed in broad daylight in front of the press. One was killed in one strike and the other 3 were pictured running away from the scene of the first shelling yet they were targeted as well.

What made the beach lose its protected status? What made those boys lose their non-combatant status just playing soccer on the beach? What made the boys a target after the initial strike. Is running away a legitimate reason to kill children?

Perhaps the hotel lost its protective status. Show the evidence the children were directly targeted.

Israel sent leaflets and made phone calls prior to attacks:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/...aflet-israeli-attackers-warn-gazans.html?_r=0

Israel warns Gaza residents to leave before strikes - CNN.com

Palestinians Flee Gaza After Israel Drops Warning Leaflets

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Perhaps the hotel lost its protective status.

"Perhaps" - you're not even the least bit concerned as to why UN schools and buildings were targeted? You just automatically give the benefit of the doubt to Israel....they were in the right, the Palestinians were in the wrong?

Chris Gunness, spokesman for UNRWA, which runs Gaza’s UN schools said: “The inquiry found that despite numerous notifications to the Israeli army of the precise GPS coordinates of the schools and numerous notifications about the presence of displaced people, in all seven cases investigated by the Board of Inquiry when our schools were hit directly or in the immediate vicinity, the hit was attributable to the IDF.

“The board confirms the use by the IDF of weaponry such as 120 mm high explosive anti-tank projectiles and 155 MM high explosive projectiles on or in the surrounding area of UNRWA schools where civilians had taken refuge. In the incidents investigated at least 44 people were killed and 227 injured including women and children. In none of the schools which were hit directly or in the immediate vicinity, were weapons discovered or fired from. If it were confirmed that militants did fire rockets from our schools we would condemn it, just as we robustly we condemned other violations of our neutrality.”

“The findings of the secretary general’s inquiry are fully consistent with the statements made by UNRWA that we did not hand any weapons over to Hamas. The Board of Inquiry has not found any evidence that we did. The Board of Inquiry found that upon the first discovery UNRWA senior management notified local authorities in Gaza about the weapons and asked for their removal. Within days of the first unprecedented discovery, the UN had established a mechanism for dealing with the weaponry and by the time of the third discovery, international experts were on hand.”

Israel responsible for Gaza strikes on UN schools and shelters, inquiry finds

Show the evidence the children were directly targeted.

...it was a double tap strike. The first one hit a boy and the rest of them ran away. The second one killed 3 of the boys running away.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/489422197543665664

1st shell hit the harbour wall. It's been hit before so I assume its on a prerecorded grid. Gunner appears to have adjusted to hit survivors

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/489440416022790145

Hamad told us they didn't hear 1st round. 1 friend killed by that. He heard second which killed 3 more.

Israel sent leaflets and made phone calls prior to attacks:

How sweet of them. The occupiers tell them to leave a place (their home) they can't leave because Israel and its pal Egypt have the border crossings blocked. Where exactly are they supposed to evacuate? When they go to UN shelters, those shelters are hit. When they go play on beaches, those beaches are hit. When they're playing on playgrounds, those playgrounds are hit. When they're inside their houses, their houses are hit.

Assad appears to have taken from Israel's playbook.

 

[redleghunter]

"Perhaps" - you're not even the least bit concerned as to why UN schools and buildings were targeted? You just automatically give the benefit of the doubt to Israel....they were in the right, the Palestinians were in the wrong?

Chris Gunness, spokesman for UNRWA, which runs Gaza’s UN schools said: “The inquiry found that despite numerous notifications to the Israeli army of the precise GPS coordinates of the schools and numerous notifications about the presence of displaced people, in all seven cases investigated by the Board of Inquiry when our schools were hit directly or in the immediate vicinity, the hit was attributable to the IDF.

“The board confirms the use by the IDF of weaponry such as 120 mm high explosive anti-tank projectiles and 155 MM high explosive projectiles on or in the surrounding area of UNRWA schools where civilians had taken refuge. In the incidents investigated at least 44 people were killed and 227 injured including women and children. In none of the schools which were hit directly or in the immediate vicinity, were weapons discovered or fired from. If it were confirmed that militants did fire rockets from our schools we would condemn it, just as we robustly we condemned other violations of our neutrality.”

“The findings of the secretary general’s inquiry are fully consistent with the statements made by UNRWA that we did not hand any weapons over to Hamas. The Board of Inquiry has not found any evidence that we did. The Board of Inquiry found that upon the first discovery UNRWA senior management notified local authorities in Gaza about the weapons and asked for their removal. Within days of the first unprecedented discovery, the UN had established a mechanism for dealing with the weaponry and by the time of the third discovery, international experts were on hand.”

Israel responsible for Gaza strikes on UN schools and shelters, inquiry finds



...it was a double tap strike. The first one hit a boy and the rest of them ran away. The second one killed 3 of the boys running away.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/489422197543665664

1st shell hit the harbour wall. It's been hit before so I assume its on a prerecorded grid. Gunner appears to have adjusted to hit survivors

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/489440416022790145

Hamad told us they didn't hear 1st round. 1 friend killed by that. He heard second which killed 3 more.



How sweet of them. The occupiers tell them to leave a place (their home) they can't leave because Israel and its pal Egypt have the border crossings blocked. Where exactly are they supposed to evacuate? When they go to UN shelters, those shelters are hit. When they go play on beaches, those beaches are hit. When they're playing on playgrounds, those playgrounds are hit. When they're inside their houses, their houses are hit.

Assad appears to have taken from Israel's playbook.

I already provided the necessary evidence Hamas used protected sites and human shields. I've seen such in Iraq too. It's an old practice but effective propaganda tool for Jihadists and terrorists.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

I already provided the necessary evidence Hamas used protected sites and human shields. I've seen such in Iraq too. It's an old practice but effective propaganda tool for Jihadists and terrorists.

I don't know how that was a valid response to the boys playing soccer on a beach with no Hamas members, weapons, tunnels, etc. being targeted. Nor do I know how it was a response to UN schools/shelters being struck despite no weapons or human shields being used. Again:

Chris Gunness, spokesman for UNRWA, which runs Gaza’s UN schools said: In none of the schools which were hit directly or in the immediate vicinity, were weapons discovered or fired from.

Israel responsible for Gaza strikes on UN schools and shelters, inquiry finds