GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

[danny ski]

Well, getting back to the subject. I don't think that non Jews should be too preoccupied with the Shabbat keeping. The rules only apply to the goyim living in the community. It would only make sense for those living among us to follow our rules. That's pretty much what the Torah teaches. Beyond that, I don't think it's a big deal what day off people rest on nor the level of activity.

 

[gadar perets]

The Sabbath was made for all mankind. It is not a Jewish rule, but a commandment of our Creator. His creatures are to rest as He did, on the 7th day. No other day is sanctified or blessed for resting except the 7th. The other six days are work days. I, for one, will not allow Jewish tradition to keep me from receiving the blessing of a 7th day Sabbath rest. Neither should any Gentile laboring in this world.

 

[BobRyan]

Well, getting back to the subject. I don't think that non Jews should be too preoccupied with the Shabbat keeping. The rules only apply to the goyim living in the community. It would only make sense for those living among us to follow our rules. That's pretty much what the Torah teaches. Beyond that, I don't think it's a big deal what day off people rest on nor the level of activity.

Isaiah 66:23 says "all mankind".

Christ (who was a Jew by all accounts) said "for all mankind" Mark 2:27

And James 2 says that breaking one of the Commandments - breaks them all.

Ephesians 6:2 says that we are to keep the commandment about "Honoring your father and mother" - but it goes on to say that we should do it because it is one of the TEN Commandments "for it is the first commandment with a promise" which is only true in that distinct unit of TEN - spoken by God, written by God, and the only LAW of God placed inside the ark.

What is more - the NEW Covenant writes the LAW of God on the heart not just in Jeremiah 31:31-33 in the OT but also in Hebrews 8:6-10 in the NT.

And we have Acts 17:11 "they studied the SCRIPTURES daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO" and at that point the only scriptures they had - were the OT text.

2 Timothy 3:16 "ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine and correction" -- another statement from the Apostle Paul to Timothy.

Therefore it is not at all surprising the Christians would pay attention to the TEN Commandments.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

The Sabbath was made for all mankind. It is not a Jewish rule, but a commandment of our Creator. His creatures are to rest as He did, on the 7th day. No other day is sanctified or blessed for resting except the 7th. The other six days are work days. I, for one, will not allow Jewish tradition to keep me from receiving the blessing of a 7th day Sabbath rest. Neither should any Gentile laboring in this world.

I’m pretty sure that Jewish tradition is not keeping you from doing anything.

 

[Na Nach Oi!]

Is 56:1-8 gentiles specifically blessed for keeping the weekly Sabbath.
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"
Mark 2:27 "The Sabbath was made for mankind"

Sunday Christians: What is 'mankind'? Who is 'mankind'?
Sabbatarian Christians: Are you 'mankind'?

 

[gadar perets]

Areyeh Jay:
I’m pretty sure that Jewish tradition is not keeping you from doing anything.

I keep some Jewish tradition, but I do not keep any Jewish tradition that causes me to break the Almighty's commandments (Matthew 15:3-9).

 

[BukiRob]

It would be very hard if not impossible for anyone to try and join a Jewish community just by saying “Hey, were Jews too.” People try it all the time these days and we figure it out very quickly. It was just as easy to tell back in the day.

Gentiles do not ever replace or become Israel that is replacement theology. Gentiles are either righteous gentiles, who according to the
Brit Chadasha are grafted in or they are unrepentant Gentiles

 

[BukiRob]

Well, getting back to the subject. I don't think that non Jews should be too preoccupied with the Shabbat keeping. The rules only apply to the goyim living in the community. It would only make sense for those living among us to follow our rules. That's pretty much what the Torah teaches. Beyond that, I don't think it's a big deal what day off people rest on nor the level of activity.

Sabbath existed before the Torah was given at Sinai. Its a part of creation itself. I know you don't view Yeshua as Hamashiach but Christians do. As such he plain stated whilst debating with the other pharisee's that ""The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath."

What was NOT stated was that Sabbath was made for the Jew and not the Jew for the Sabbath. Y'israel was to be a light to the nations. It was NEVER intended for Y'israel to with hold the Torah from mankind but rather to be a light to draw them to Adonai. It is why we see in the book of The Revelation where ALL mankind will observe the Feast days... and those nations who do not appear at the appointed time will have the rains withheld from their nation.

Christianity IS no more a replacement for BIBLICAL Judaism than he Church are a replacement for Israel. Neither the Church NOR Christianity BIBLICAL Christianity is in COMPLETE harmony with the Torah. The Goyim who seeks the face of Adonai IS living in the community at least spiritually speaking

 

[BobRyan]

Well, getting back to the subject. I don't think that non Jews should be too preoccupied with the Shabbat keeping. The rules only apply to the goyim living in the community. It would only make sense for those living among us to follow our rules. That's pretty much what the Torah teaches. Beyond that, I don't think it's a big deal what day off people rest on nor the level of activity.

Isaiah 66:23 says the Bible Sabbath is for "All mankind"
Christ in Mark 2:27 says the Bible Sabbath is for "All mankind"
Rev 14:12 says the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND the faith of Jesus"

 

[BobRyan]

What was NOT stated was that Sabbath was made for the Jew and not the Jew for the Sabbath.

This is a good point. the "traditions of man" would edit Isaiah 66:23 to say 'From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all JEWS come before Me to worship' -

And make Mark 2:27 say 'the Sabbath was made for Jews and not Jews made for the Sabbath'

instead both reference MANKIND.

 

[BobRyan]

Sunday Christians: What is 'mankind'? Who is 'mankind'?
Sabbatarian Christians: Are you 'mankind'?

Good point -- are we to be supposedly confused about what "mankind" is??? Should we switch to words liker "humanity" or "Human beings"? So that they will not eisegete into the text "Just Jews are mankind"??

 

[Na Nach Oi!]

Good point -- are we to be supposedly confused about what "mankind" is??? Should we switch to words liker "humanity" or "Human beings"? So that they will not eisegete into the text "Just Jews are mankind"??

That's my sense of humor made from The Good Samaritan parable as the answer a Pharisaic question: "Who is 'my neighbor'"? "What is the definition of the term 'my neighbor'"?

Gentile Sunday Christians who still harden their heart against this verse ("Shabbat is made for the mankind") and still regard Sunday as proper worship day, unconsciously & silently they degraded themselves as animal and nodding to racist Jewish idea which states the Gentiles are nothing more than mere animals. That's because, humans/mankind worships in Sabbath day along with the Jews.

Sad but real. Hardening their own heart for 1700 years and counting until Moshiach come for the second time.

 

[Shibolet]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath? and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath? i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

Yes, and very commendable. The Sabbath was given with two purposes: The first as a commandment and the second as both; a commandment and a ritual. The first is for the Gentiles and the second is for the Jews.

The first purpose of the Sabbath is for the Gentiles to rest on the seventh day after six days of working. The seventh day does not have to be the Sabbath but any day one chooses, as long as it is after six days of working. So, they can start any day and rest on the seventh.

The second purpose of the Sabbath is for the Jews to rest after six days of working as a commandment and the ritual of this commandment resides on the fact that the seventh day must be on the weekly Sabbath. So, one must work six days from the first of the week aka Sunday and rest on the seventh aka Saturday.

 

[Shibolet]

Okay. I believe that both Jews and Gentiles are grafted into the Vine, who is Christ.

The vine was Israel and the fruit of the vine is Judah. The vine was removed from the vineyard when Israel fell to the Assyrians if you read Amos 5:2 and the fruit of the vine remained feeding on butter and honey to this day. (Isaiah 7:14,15,22; 8:8)

 

[Shibolet]

No. That is kind of like asking if Germans and males are the same thing.

A "gentile" is someone who is not a Jew.
A "christian" is someone who believes in Jesus.

There are gentiles who believe and gentiles who do not.
There are Jews who do not believe in Jesus, and some that do. (but are usually called "Messianic")

So I encourage you to hang out here and lurk for a while. You will learn about us.

You say above that "A Gentile is someone who is not a Jew; and
A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus."

I can't help seeing in these two statements a contradiction bordering on a paradox. Tell me, is a Christian a Jew? No. So, he or she is a Gentile. I think the best way to fix this is to say that, A Gentile is someone who is not a Jew
and a Christian is a Gentile who believes in Jesus. Can you see the Logic of it?

 

[Shibolet]

Galatians 3:28 (Check that one out)

No distinction between Jew or Gentile, in Christ.
As far as the Law is concerned, it is not a means for our salvation. However, it is still to be observed. So...we are indeed to keep a day specifically for the Lord.

If by "Christ" above you mean Jesus, he was a Jew and he himself decided that indeed there is distinction between Jews and Gentiles. Every time he sent his disciples on a mission to spread the gospel of salvation, he would warn them to avoid the Gentiles, especially if they were Samaritans. That's in Mat. 10:5,6. If this does not mean distinction, what does it mean?

Now, as the Law is concerned, if we obey the Law, we are saved from the consequences as a result of transgressing the Law. It means that the Law is for our salvation after all.

Last but not least, our keeping of the Sabbath is not for the Lord but for ourselves because the Sabbath was not give to HaShem but to man. The only thing as the Lord is concerned is to obey His commandments and, the Sabbath is one of them. But all for our own good.

 

[visionary]

You say above that "A Gentile is someone who is not a Jew; and
A Christian is someone who believes in Jesus."

I can't help seeing in these two statements a contradiction bordering on a paradox. Tell me, is a Christian a Jew? No. So, he or she is a Gentile. I think the best way to fix this is to say that, A Gentile is someone who is not a Jew
and a Christian is a Gentile who believes in Jesus. Can you see the Logic of it?

Even that needs minor correction since both Jew and Gentiles can believe in Yeshua.

 

[Shibolet]

That's my sense of humor made from The Good Samaritan parable as the answer a Pharisaic question: "Who is 'my neighbor'"? "What is the definition of the term 'my neighbor'"?

"My neighbor" is not precisely the one next door to us but the one who identifies with our concerns. But of course, in an emergency aka danger of life, any one in need of help is our neighbor.

 

[visionary]

"My neighbor" is not precisely the one next door to us but the one who identifies with our concerns. But of course, in an emergency aka danger of life, any one in need of help is our neighbor.

And just being down right neighborly...

 

[Shibolet]

Even that needs minor correction since both Jew and Gentiles can believe in Yeshua.

A Jew who believes in Yeshua as a Christian does, he or she is no longer Jewish but a Christian. There is no hyphenated Jew. One is either a Jew or a Christian. A "Jewih-Christian" reminds me of the tragic time of Elijah who had to bitterly struggle with the "Jews-for-Baal" for they would straddle the issue between HaShem and Baal as if serving two masters: HaShem and Baal. (I Kings 18:21) They would insist on keeping the Jewish identity while practicing the cult of Baal. When Elijah seemed to have run out of what to do, he took 800 of them down the Valley of Kishon and executed them there. (I Kings 18:40) Exaggeration of course, although they were from the prophets of Baal responsible for most of the problems of Israel at the time. However, Elijah had given them the chance to reconsider.