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Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?

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New Jerusalem is the father house in Heaven.
Revelation 21 Revelation 22 say that we will enter it when New Jerusalem will come down on the New Earth after the Great White Throne Judgement ...thus after the millennium reign of Jesus on the Earth.
We are on the present earth, which gets destroyed before the great white throne judgment. So how can Jesus come for us on this present earth when it will not exist at the time the New Jerusalem comes down to the new earth?


John 14:
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
 
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We are on the present earth, which gets destroyed before the great white throne judgment. So how can Jesus come for us on this present earth when it will not exist at the time the New Jerusalem comes down to the new earth?
The present Earth will be destroyed AFTER the Millennium.
Jesus will reign 1,000 years on the actual Earth with those who will be resurrected during the FIRST [massive'] Resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6.... Do you notice that there is no resurrection mentioned before Revelation 20:4-6 in the book of Revelation... That mean that all those (good or bad) not resurrected at that moment will be resurrected during the Great White Throne Judgment after the millennium
Revelation 20:11-15.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
...
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


John 14:
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus have gone to prepare a place for all the believers...
Actually the SOULS of the apostles and the SOULS of all the believers who have passed away (dead)since Jesus have ascended to Heaven, are in Heaven in the presence of Jesus in a state of rest(sleep in Christ)...until their resurrection...
 
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The Bible tell us that it will be the Beast who come out of the bottomless pit...Revelation 17:8....That people whose names are not written in the book of life will worship and take his mark Revelation 13:5-8 .The same beast coming out of the bottomless pit who will kill the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation 11:7.The Bible reveal his name in Revelation 9:11.

Again I find myself having to correct your errors.

In Rev. 17:8 we find out that the BEAST as an "empire" goes through 4 stages from the view point of the beginning of the
Tribulatiuon Peroid.

1). It WAS, that is it existed in the form of the ancient Roman Empire.
2). It is NOT, that is it has not existed as an empire since the 5th century and will not until the A/C gains world wide power.
3). It SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, that is Satan will raise up the A/C as his false messiah and give him world wide rule.
4). The A/C will be cast into perdition, the lake of fire.

Now as for Rev. 9:11. The context demands that we understand verse #1-10 which are descriptions of demons.
The KING over the demon is apparently Satan. Surprise! That is NOT the name of the A/C my friend.

ABADDON is the Hebrew word for "Destruction".
APOLLYN is the Greek word for "Destroyer".
 
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The present Earth will be destroyed AFTER the Millennium.
Jesus will reign 1,000 years on the actual Earth with those who will be resurrected during the FIRST [massive'] Resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6.... Do you notice that there is no resurrection mentioned before Revelation 20:4-6 in the book of Revelation... That mean that all those (good or bad) not resurrected at that moment will be resurrected during the Great White Throne Judgment after the millennium
Revelation 20:11-15.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
...
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Jesus have gone to prepare a place for all the believers...
Actually the SOULS of the apostles and the SOULS of all the believers who have passed away (dead)since Jesus have ascended to Heaven, are in Heaven in the presence of Jesus in a state of rest(sleep in Christ)...until their resurrection...

No sir, you are in error again.

Many people, and it seems you are one of them, have been taught to believe that there is only one “general” resurrection of all the dead at the end of the world. This is a serious error which has robbed many believers of joy and victory in this life. Nowhere in the Scriptures are we taught that the bodies of all men will be raised at the same time.

It is true that all the dead will be raised and brought into judgment, but neither the time, the place, nor the judgments are the same. The Bible clearly distinguishes between a first and a second resurrection.

There will be two resurrections for two classes of men. One will be raised to eternal life and immortality, while the other will be raised to condemnation and banishment from the presence of the Lord. There is a “resurrection of life” and a “resurrection of damnation.”

Luke 14:14.....
"And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee; for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just".

There it is right there in the Bible. That means then, a “resurrection of the just,” and since “all shall come forth,” there must of necessity be a resurrection of the unjust. Since the dead in Christ shall rise first, the implication is that the dead out of Christ (or without Christ) will be raised afterwards.

John 5:28-29.....

"All that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and shall come forth: they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

The 1st Resurrection is seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16......
“For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first”.

The 2nd Ressurrection is seen in Rev. 20:12 -14.......
“I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; . . . The sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works”.
 
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The present Earth will be destroyed AFTER the Millennium.
Jesus will reign 1,000 years on the actual Earth with those who will be resurrected during the FIRST [massive'] Resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6.... Do you notice that there is no resurrection mentioned before Revelation 20:4-6 in the book of Revelation... That mean that all those (good or bad) not resurrected at that moment will be resurrected during the Great White Throne Judgment after the millennium
Revelation 20:11-15.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
...
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Jesus have gone to prepare a place for all the believers...
Actually the SOULS of the apostles and the SOULS of all the believers who have passed away (dead)since Jesus have ascended to Heaven, are in Heaven in the presence of Jesus in a state of rest(sleep in Christ)...until their resurrection...

You have said the prophecies of Daniel has been fulfilled.

I ask you again. Since you believe that, why is there still sin in the world. why is there still death, war, lying and stealing?

Daniel 9:24....
“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness
,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy."

When did iniquity end???

When did everlasting righteousness begin?????

Why can you not answer these simple questions?
 
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You have said the prophecies of Daniel has been fulfilled.

I ask you again. Since you believe that, why is there still sin in the world. why is there still death, war, lying and stealing?

Daniel 9:24....
“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness
,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy."

When did iniquity end???

When did everlasting righteousness begin?????

Why can you not answer these simple questions?
The Jews have been given 70 weeks to
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy."


The Jews have not ended their transgression nor that they have anointed the Messiah in the allowed 70 weeks mentioned in Daniel 9:23-27.
 
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No sir, you are in error again.

Many people, and it seems you are one of them, have been taught to believe that there is only one “general” resurrection of all the dead at the end of the world. This is a serious error which has robbed many believers of joy and victory in this life. Nowhere in the Scriptures are we taught that the bodies of all men will be raised at the same time.
Revelation 20:4-6 tell us about the FIRST Resurrection and tell us that all those (good or bad )who are not part of the First Resurrection will be resurrected at The Great White Throne Judgment Revelation 20:11-20 AFTER the millennium reign of Jesus on the Earth.There is no other resurrection mentioned in the Book of Revelation.
 
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Again I find myself having to correct your errors.

In Rev. 17:8 we find out that the BEAST as an "empire" goes through 4 stages from the view point of the beginning of the
Tribulatiuon Peroid.
1). It WAS, that is it existed in the form of the ancient Roman Empire.
2). It is NOT, that is it has not existed as an empire since the 5th century and will not until the A/C gains world wide power.
The empire that the beast will rule in the end time will rise in the years following the destruction caused by the great worldwide earthquake of the 6 Th seal when the world will be divided in 10 Kingdoms ruled by ten rulers [Kings] who will give their kingdom to the Beast in the middle of the tribulation. That is what Revelation 17 describe...the 10 Kings [rulers] giving their Kingdoms to the Beast...

3). It SHALL ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, that is Satan will raise up the A/C as his false messiah and give him world wide rule.
Satan is not the angel of the bottomless pit.

4). The A/C will be cast into perdition, the lake of fire.
Along with the false prophet.
Now as for Rev. 9:11. The context demands that we understand verse #1-10 which are descriptions of demons.
Fallen angels who were cast by God into the bottomless pit because of the events mentioned in Genesis 6:2-4 ...these are the angels that sinned mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude.

The KING over the demon is apparently Satan. Surprise! That is NOT the name of the A/C my friend.

ABADDON is the Hebrew word for "Destruction".
APOLLYN is the Greek word for "Destroyer".
Reread Revelation 9 and you will see that Abaddon is the name of the the angel of the bottomless pit KING of the army of locusts/strange horses like creatures [fallen angels]who are actually locked into the bottomless pit ,who will be part of the first woe and the second woe. But that is true to say that they are all subordinate of Satan because they are also fallen angels.
 
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The issue of what will happen during the last seven years before Jesus Returns, isn't of great concern for us Christians.
If, like Major1 and SS believe, we are in heaven, or as I believe, we are in the holy Land and taken to safety for the 1260 days of the GT, then why worry about it?

What we all should be prepared for is the forthcoming Lord's Day of wrath. The multi prophesied literal Day of fire from the sun, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis, that will change the world, enabling all the rest as described to take place before the glorious Return of Jesus.
That Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over, Luke 21:35, Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2 Peter 3:7
Are you prepared mentally and physically? As Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21 say, we must call upon the Lord for protection on that Day.
More information on what will trigger that Day and the effects of it at; logostelos.info
 
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The issue of what will happen during the last seven years before Jesus Returns, isn't of great concern for us Christians.
If, like Major1 and SS believe, we are in heaven, or as I believe, we are in the holy Land and taken to safety for the 1260 days of the GT, then why worry about it?
What makes you believe that those living in Israel will not have to take the mark and worship the Beast during the 42 months reign of the beast ?
The Bible say that all those whose names are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb will worship the Beast and take his mark Revelation 13:8
Revelation 13
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Revelation 11:7-14 tell us that Beast that ascended out of the Bottomless Pit is in Jerusalem before the third woe...
Revelation 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 11:14
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly...

The third woe will be when Satan and his angels will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth Revelation 12:7-12 we know that this is Satan who will give power to the Beast to CONTINUE 42 months Revelation 13:4-5 that is the time when the Beast will impose his mark and worship ...and it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them Revelation 13:7-8.
 
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No sir, you are in error again.

Nowhere in the Scriptures are we taught that the bodies of all men will be raised at the same time.

Except here of course:

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

And here:

John 5:28-29
For an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

And also here:

1 Corinthians 15
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive

And even here:

Daniel 12
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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The Jews have been given 70 weeks to
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy."


The Jews have not ended their transgression nor that they have anointed the Messiah in the allowed 70 weeks mentioned in Daniel 9:23-27.

Read Daniel 9:26.
"And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined."

That was an exact prophecy and a historical event. The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C.

Jesus presented Himself as King to the Jews on April 6, 32 A.D.

When we examine the period between March 14, 445 B.C. and April 6, 32 A.D., and correct for leap years, we discover that it is 173,880 days exactly, to the very day!

It is not a future day. It is a historical fact.


Dan. 9:26......
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The sixty-two "weeks" follow the initial seven, so verse 26 deals with events after 69th week, but before the 70th. These events include the Messiah being killed and the city and sanctuary being destroyed.

As Jesus approached the city on the donkey, He also predicted the destruction of Jerusalem:

Luke 19:43-44.........
"For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

The Messiah was, of course, executed at the Crucifixion..."but not for Himself."

No matter how you figure it, that leaves 7 years of the original 490 to be lived.
 
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The empire that the beast will rule in the end time will rise in the years following the destruction caused by the great worldwide earthquake of the 6 Th seal when the world will be divided in 10 Kingdoms ruled by ten rulers [Kings] who will give their kingdom to the Beast in the middle of the tribulation. That is what Revelation 17 describe...the 10 Kings [rulers] giving their Kingdoms to the Beast...


Satan is not the angel of the bottomless pit.


Along with the false prophet.

Fallen angels who were cast by God into the bottomless pit because of the events mentioned in Genesis 6:2-4 ...these are the angels that sinned mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude.


Reread Revelation 9 and you will see that Abaddon is the name of the the angel of the bottomless pit KING of the army of locusts/strange horses like creatures [fallen angels]who are actually locked into the bottomless pit ,who will be part of the first woe and the second woe. But that is true to say that they are all subordinate of Satan because they are also fallen angels.

No argument from me on Rev. 9. Abaddon/Apollyon is likely one of Satan’s underlings, a destroying demon and one of the “rulers,” “authorities,” and “powers” mentioned in Ephesians 6:12.
 
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The issue of what will happen during the last seven years before Jesus Returns, isn't of great concern for us Christians.
If, like Major1 and SS believe, we are in heaven, or as I believe, we are in the holy Land and taken to safety for the 1260 days of the GT, then why worry about it?

What we all should be prepared for is the forthcoming Lord's Day of wrath. The multi prophesied literal Day of fire from the sun, storms, earthquakes and tsunamis, that will change the world, enabling all the rest as described to take place before the glorious Return of Jesus.
That Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over, Luke 21:35, Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2 Peter 3:7
Are you prepared mentally and physically? As Joel 2:32 and Acts 2:21 say, we must call upon the Lord for protection on that Day.
More information on what will trigger that Day and the effects of it at; logostelos.info

Agreed!

And if that is the case we do not have to worry about the "Lords Day of Wrath. "

Believe me when I say that it is not just me and swordsman that believe the church is not to go through the wrath of God.

Two of the greatest Bible teachers ever to live say that as well. John Walvoord and J. Dwight Pentecost agree. Actually it is us that agree with them.
 
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Revelation 20:4-6 tell us about the FIRST Resurrection and tell us that all those (good or bad )who are not part of the First Resurrection will be resurrected at The Great White Throne Judgment Revelation 20:11-20 AFTER the millennium reign of Jesus on the Earth.There is no other resurrection mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

Concerning resurrection, Jesus clearly taught that there would be more than one resurrection. In John 5:29 He refers to a "resurrection of life" and a "resurrection of judgment." The apostle Paul confirmed this concept in his defense before Felix when he stated that he believed the teaching of the prophets "that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked" in Acts 24:15.

Again, the Scriptures establish the fact that the resurrection of the righteous will occur in stages.
1). Jesus Christ Himself is the “first fruits,” 1 Corinthians 15:20, paved the way for the resurrection of all who believe in Him.

2). There was a resurrection of the Jerusalem saints in Matthew 27:52-53 which should be included in our consideration of the first resurrection.

3). Still to come are the resurrection of “the dead in Christ” at the Lord’s return and called the Rapture as seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

4). The resurrection of the martyrs at the end of the Tribulation in Revelation 20:4.

THE SECOND RESURRECTION........

Revelation 20:12-13 identifies those comprising the second resurrection as the wicked judged by God at the Great White Throne Judgment prior to being cast into the lake of fire. The second resurrection, then, is the raising of all unbelievers; the second resurrection is connected to the second death. It corresponds with Jesus’ teaching of the “resurrection of damnation” in John 5:29.

The event which divides the first and second resurrections seems to be the millennial kingdom. The last of the righteous are raised to reign “with Christ a thousand years” as seen in Revelation 20:4, but the “rest of the dead [that is, the wicked] lived not again until the thousand years were finished” as is told to us in Revelation 20:5.
 
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Read Daniel 9:26.
"And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined."

That was an exact prophecy and a historical event. The commandment to restore and build Jerusalem was given by Artaxerxes Longimanus on March 14, 445 B.C.

Jesus presented Himself as King to the Jews on April 6, 32 A.D.

When we examine the period between March 14, 445 B.C. and April 6, 32 A.D., and correct for leap years, we discover that it is 173,880 days exactly, to the very day!

It is not a future day. It is a historical fact.
Where did I said that it is a future day ?
Dan. 9:26......
"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

The sixty-two "weeks" follow the initial seven, so verse 26 deals with events after 69th week, but before the 70th. These events include the Messiah being killed and the city and sanctuary being destroyed.

As Jesus approached the city on the donkey, He also predicted the destruction of Jerusalem:

Luke 19:43-44.........
"For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."

The Messiah was, of course, executed at the Crucifixion..."but not for Himself."
That was the Jews ie the Scribes and High Priests pharisees who caused that Jesus was put to death nearly 2,000 years ago ...

No matter how you figure it, that leaves 7 years of the original 490 to be lived.
Then, you are saying that the Jews will build another temple that will need to be destroyed AGAIN to fulfill the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:23-27.
Daniel 9:26
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:
-Messiah was Crucified in 33 AD-
---------
-Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in 70 AD.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
 
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And if that is the case we do not have to worry about the "Lords Day of Wrath. "
What you seem to miss is, as the sequence is Revelation shows, the Lord's Day of wrath comes several years before the last 7 years. It will be a worldwide disaster that will affect everybody alive. Luke 21:35 says that and the list of people in Revelation 6:15 includes everyone. It isn't possible for anyone to avoid this event.
We know the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath is the next prophesied event to happen, Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a, He stopped before:...and the Day of vengeance of our God..
Also, Isaiah 63:1-6 describes this terrible Day, which is where Jesus gets His blood splashed garments, that He wears at the Return.
 
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Agreed!

And if that is the case we do not have to worry about the "Lords Day of Wrath. "
You are still unable to understand that the tribulation period who will include the 42 months reign of the Beast is not the Day that the Lord will come as a thief to pouring out His wrath and avenge the blood of the martyrs .The wrath of God will be poured during the 7 Vials of The Wrath of God Revelation 16....Jesus will come as a thief after the 6th vial...Revelation 16:14-17 for the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Note that i am not saying that Vial 1 to Vial 6 will be poured only in one day.

The wrath of God in the 7 Vials will not affect the Christians because the 7 Vials will be poured out AFTER that mostly all the Christians will have been slain by the Beast.

The wrath of Satan and the Beast [Revelation 12 Revelation 13 ] upon the Christians who will refuse to take the mark and worship the Beast is NOT the wrath of God.

Believe me when I say that it is not just me and swordsman that believe the church is not to go through the wrath of God.

Two of the greatest Bible teachers ever to live say that as well. John Walvoord and J. Dwight Pentecost agree. Actually it is us that agree with them.
Oh ,i see...Just for you to know that Dallas Theological Seminary teach the theology invented by John Nelson Darby in 1830.You will live and die by dreaming of a rapture to Heaven before the tribulation like thousands of people before you -since that doctrine was invented in 1830-...At your death you will realize that only your SOUL [as believer in Christ] will go to Heaven.

John Walvoord - Wikipedia
John F. Walvoord (May 1, 1910 – December 20, 2002) was a Christian theologian, pastor, and president of Dallas Theological Seminary from 1952 to 1986. He was the author of over 30 books, focusing primarily on eschatology and theology including The Rapture Question, and was co-editor of The Bible Knowledge Commentary with Roy B. Zuck. He earned AB and DD degrees from Wheaton College, an AM degree from Texas Christian University in philosophy, a ThB, ThM, and ThD in Systematic Theology from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a LittD from Liberty Baptist Seminary.



Walvoord earned a reputation as one of the most influential dispensational theologians of the 20th century and played a prominent role in advocating a rapture of Christians from the earth prior to a time of great tribulation, followed by a literal thousand-year millennial reign of Christ, and a renewed focus of God on the nation of Israel as distinct from the church.
 
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You are still unable to understand that the tribulation period who will include the 42 months reign of the Beast is not the Day that the Lord will come as a thief to pouring out His wrath and avenge the blood of the martyrs .The wrath of God will be poured during the 7 Vials of The Wrath of God Revelation 16....Jesus will come as a thief after the 6th vial...Revelation 16:14-17 for the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Note that i am not saying that Vial 1 to Vial 6 will be poured only in one day.

The wrath of God in the 7 Vials will not affect the Christians because the 7 Vials will be poured out AFTER that mostly all the Christians will have been slain by the Beast.

The wrath of Satan and the Beast [Revelation 12 Revelation 13 ] upon the Christians who will refuse to take the mark and worship the Beast is NOT the wrath of God.


Oh ,i see...Just for you to know that Dallas Theological Seminary teach the theology invented by John Nelson Darby in 1830.You will live and die by dreaming of a rapture to Heaven before the tribulation like thousands of people before you -since that doctrine was invented in 1830-...At your death you will realize that only your SOUL [as believer in Christ] will go to Heaven.

John Walvoord - Wikipedia
John F. Walvoord (May 1, 1910 – December 20, 2002) was a Christian theologian, pastor, and president of Dallas Theological Seminary from 1952 to 1986. He was the author of over 30 books, focusing primarily on eschatology and theology including The Rapture Question, and was co-editor of The Bible Knowledge Commentary with Roy B. Zuck. He earned AB and DD degrees from Wheaton College, an AM degree from Texas Christian University in philosophy, a ThB, ThM, and ThD in Systematic Theology from Dallas Theological Seminary, and a LittD from Liberty Baptist Seminary.



Walvoord earned a reputation as one of the most influential dispensational theologians of the 20th century and played a prominent role in advocating a rapture of Christians from the earth prior to a time of great tribulation, followed by a literal thousand-year millennial reign of Christ, and a renewed focus of God on the nation of Israel as distinct from the church.

Isn't that some wonderful credentials that you posted for Dr. Walvoord!!!!!! Since I was able to attend Dallas Theological Seminary, I am very aware of Dr. Walvoord's accomplisments, but I am very pleased that you have told everyone else.

That makes his teaching a lot more acceptable than yours.

The wrath of God is a fearsome and terrifying thing. Only those who have been covered by the blood of Christ, shed for us on the cross, can be assured that God’s wrath will never fall on them.

Romans 5:9....
“Since we have now been justified by His blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through Him!”.

I believe from my reading of scripture that the entire 7 year period (known as Daniel's 70th Week or the tribulation) is the wrath of God. This will most certainly intensify and even become more apparent that it is directly from God as the 7 year period plays out, but it is still His wrath from the start. This period of time is outlined in Revelation chapters 6-19.

Some try to say that the wrath of God doesn't begin until the 6th seal in Rev 6:12 but I personally don't agree with that. You will note that all of the seal judgements originate in Heaven. They can't even start until Christ, and no one else breaks the seal to initiate them. This is straight from Heaven and is the judgement of God.

Each seal is opened by Jesus as seen in Rev.6:1,3,5,7,9,12 and together constitute the 'wrath of the lamb'. Though this term is not used until the 6th seal doesn't mean that the first 5 seals are not His wrath. Clearly, as mentioned, the origin of each seals judgement is directly from Jesus in Heaven.

Even if we were to look at the type of judgment these early seals initiate we will see the hand of God. There is death by sword in Rev 6:7-8, famine in 6:5-6,8, wild animals in 6:8 and pestilence and plague also in 6:8.
This is not new. Look at the judgement of God as declared in Ezek 14:21 -

"For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgmentssword and famine and wild beasts and plague—to kill its men and their animals! "

Even if you were going to make a distinction between the Great Tribulation and the wrath of God, which as previously mentioned isn't valid in my opinion it doesn't eliminate a pre-Tribulation rapture. The fact is that John gives us a pretty simple guideline to the book of Revelation in chapter 1 vs 18. As I have written in a previous question, the threefold outline is:

'Write therefore the things (1) which you saw, and the things (2) which are, and the things (3) which shall come to pass after this.'

The things John had just seen is the vision of Jesus in Rev 1:12-16.

The things which are is the messages to the churches in Rev 2:1-3:22 and these give us an overview of the entire church age.

The things which take place after this is Rev 4:1 onwards. From this point Revelation discusses that which happens after the church age as the Church appears to be missing from 4:1 onward.

To me, it makes perfect sense that John in chapter 4.1 would be told that he would now be shown the 'things which take place after this.' That is, after the church age and the Rapture. It makes sense that the church is not mentioned again after this point apart from being seen at the marriage of the lamb BEFORE the return of Jesus in Revelation 19.

It also makes sense, to me at least, that there is such a focus on the Jews and Jerusalem again because God has got unfinished business there! The 144,000 Jews mentioned are even called the 'first fruits' in Rev 14:4 which makes sense to me if this is not the church age. Otherwise, if the church goes through the tribulation, why would they be called 'first fruits' unto the lamb?
 
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What you seem to miss is, as the sequence is Revelation shows, the Lord's Day of wrath comes several years before the last 7 years. It will be a worldwide disaster that will affect everybody alive. Luke 21:35 says that and the list of people in Revelation 6:15 includes everyone. It isn't possible for anyone to avoid this event.
We know the Lord's Day of vengeance and wrath is the next prophesied event to happen, Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a, He stopped before:...and the Day of vengeance of our God..
Also, Isaiah 63:1-6 describes this terrible Day, which is where Jesus gets His blood splashed garments, that He wears at the Return.

I can not agree with you. Please take time to read comment #659 as I took the time to detail the whole thing for you and
Reberria.
 
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