I found myself in one of those gender-neutral restrooms

[Aldebaran]

Gender neutral bathrooms do not create a problem, the issue of voyeurs will always exist. But the notion there is an industry of hidden camera sites is far fetched. And given the existence of gender neutral bathrooms already, what indicator exists showing that it's worse? Oh right, there is none. This is similar to alarmism about inappropriate behavior with animals when discussing the topic of legalizing gay marriage.

Links have already been posted indicating otherwise.

 

[Nithavela]

There are also other problems that exist that certainly don't need matters to be made worse. For example, if a person drives drunk and then loses his license as a result in order to keep him from driving, but then he drives without a license anyway, what's the solution. Hint: It wouldn't be to simply no longer require a license to drive since drunk people who lost their license will just drive anyway. But that's the sort of reasoning you're using with the restroom situation. You seem to think that if a solution can't be found to keep men from filming each other, then let's go ahead and let them into the women's restroom as well.

What are you talking about? Men filming each other?

Now you are changing the goalposts, the topic was women being filmed, either by men invading the women's room or by other women.

 

[Aldebaran]

What are you talking about? Men filming each other?

Now you are changing the goalposts, the topic was women being filmed, either by men invading the women's room or by other women.

I don't care who they've been filming! The point is that we shouldn't be changing things to make it easier for them.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Gross. I mean I could use the bathroom if I had too but I don't believe in gender neutral bathrooms. What they should do is create a third bathroom for "gender neutral". Like at one place we usaed to go to there was a mans, a womans and a "family" bathroom. Where usually you would go if you had little kids so its just not one gender or the other.

I'm more concerned about pervy men looking at woman then I am woman looking at men. I mean the vast majority of americans (including christians) have looked at inappropriate content or have an addiction to it. So with that many polluted minds, a bathroom where both can use it is a bad idea. One of the most common "inappropriate content" things online aside from sex is hidden video stuff. Especially bathrooms. This gives pervs easy access to be pervy. >.<

I don't think it's a big cause for concern...data would suggest that it's a very low incidence of this occurring, and when it does, it's occurring in bathrooms that are already gender-assigned in the traditional sense (meaning male pervy is walking into the established women's restroom to "perv" it up)

...and you know, most of those inappropriate content videos that are "hidden cam" are totally staged and faked right? If you weren't aware of that, I'd also like to point out that Pizza delivery guys are also not having sex on a daily basis with lonely housewives.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

No he didn't. The Bible never mentions transgender people, and there's nothing sinful about being one

Its called man shall not lie with man.

Exactly. It's YOUR view. Not the default view of Christians generally, and certainly not God.

Again the bible says its, hence God says it. And its also YOUR view (as you say). And actually most of this forum agrees with me. Not that I want to bring this up because you get annoyed but most catholics I know (my family is all catholic to btw) have no issues with things the bible says is wrong like LGBT for example. Even on here they tend to have no problem with it.

Where as the "Default view of most christians" on here that are not from a catholic denomination do not have that view. I'm referring to non-denominational, pentecostal, baptists, mormons, evangelical, charismatic, presbyterian, jehova witness, protestant, mennonite...etc.

Actually I must correct myself, I'd say the number is more like 50% since catholics and other version (eastern orthodox...etc) take up a big chunk of the USA also. So neither of us is right, I'd say our views are split amongst other denominations.

I was? If I recall correctly, you were simply asking for examples of "hidden camera inappropriate content". I posted them for you. Don't try moving the goalposts now. They're cemented in position, and attempting to move them will disqualify you from the game.

It sounds like you still don't understand that we're trying to prevent it from getting worse. Since you can't refute that argument, you are now trying to change the subject to how to make it better.
Just because it wouldn't get better without transexuals going into the women's room doesn't mean we should just let it get worse by going ahead and allowing it.

I like you! I have a hard time making such coordinated responses. Especially about fallacies. You get my points on here.

 

[Aldebaran]

I like you! I have a hard time making such coordinated responses. Especially about fallacies. You get my points on here.

Sometimes I actually have my "good" days!

 

[parousia70]

Then let them create their own opportunities. No need to create more for them. What's wrong with keeping safeguards in place? Don't you think there are men/women and boy/girl restrooms for a good reason?

So you don't believe protecting Boys from predatory men is worthwhile?

 

[parousia70]

Let me ask this, if you had a little boy would you let him use the bathroom by himself in a gender-neutral bathroom?

I wouldn't let him use the mens room by himself.

 

[Aldebaran]

So you don't believe protecting Boys from predatory men is worthwhile?

I see you're trying to bait me. Knock it off!

 

[Nithavela]

I don't care who they've been filming! The point is that we shouldn't be changing things to make it easier for them.

Shouldn't we also try to change things to make it harder for them?

Or is the problem at a point when it is just big enough to lament about it, but not big enough to actually do something?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Shouldn't we also try to change things to make it harder for them?

Or is the problem at a point when it is just big enough to lament about it, but not big enough to actually do something?

Well technically thinking about it we could fix all this. Just build 20 little tiny one toilet rooms that each have a locking door as if you were using a bathroom in the house. Make sure the ceiling is not cheap moveable tile. Problem solved! lol. Obviously no one would do that. But its funny to picture instead of two rooms of toilets, theres 20 tiny rooms.

 

[Aldebaran]

Shouldn't we also try to change things to make it harder for them?

Or is the problem at a point when it is just big enough to lament about it, but not big enough to actually do something?

If you have a solution to improve things, then let's hear about it! If your only solution to people filming each other in the restroom is to let men go into women's restrooms, then your "solution" is worthless.

 

[Nithavela]

Well technically thinking about it we could fix all this. Just build 20 little tiny one toilet rooms that each have a locking door as if you were using a bathroom in the house. Make sure the ceiling is not cheap moveable tile. Problem solved! lol. Obviously no one would do that. But its funny to picture instead of two rooms of toilets, theres 20 tiny rooms.

I think that requiring stalls like in the OP would be a good idea. And you could make the venue operating the bathroom liable for any breaches of privacy. Have them pay a fee if they can't secure their own bathrooms. Bathrooms already need to be cleaned daily, so you might as well give them a look to search for hidden cameras.

 

[Nithavela]

If you have a solution to improve things, then let's hear about it! If your only solution to people filming each other in the restroom is to let men go into women's restrooms, then your "solution" is worthless.

See post #73.

The beauty of it is, those solutions would work in mixed gender bathrooms just as well as they would in seperate gender bathrooms.

 

[parousia70]

I see you're trying to bait me. Knock it off!

Baiting you by challenging your premise with facts?

This absurd notion that Boys are completely safe from predatory men in mens restrooms is, well, absurd.

That you apparently refuse to acknowledge the fact is telling.

 

[Aldebaran]

See post #73.

The beauty of it is, those solutions would work in mixed gender bathrooms just as well as they would in seperate gender bathrooms.

If they'd work "just as well", then why do you still want to allow men to enter the women's room?

 

[Aldebaran]

Baiting you by challenging your premise with facts?

This absurd notion that Boys are completely safe from predatory men in mens restrooms is, well, absurd.

That you apparently refuse to acknowledge the fact is telling.

So you don't believe protecting Boys from predatory men is worthwhile?

This is hardly presenting any facts.

 

[Nithavela]

If they'd work "just as well", then why do you still want to allow men to enter the women's room?

I don't want to allow men to enter the women's room. I want to allow transgender women to enter the women's room, and transgender men to enter the men's room.

Also, your question doesn't follow.

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't want to allow men to enter the women's room. I want to allow transgender women to enter the women's room, and transgender men to enter the men's room.

Also, your question doesn't follow.

Now you're trying to redefine what a man/woman is. Twisting the truth doesn't help.

 

[parousia70]

This is hardly presenting any facts.

The fact IS that Boys are NOT safe from predatory men in public mens rooms.

But again, that appears to be just fine with you. Boys are on their own. Only girls deserve extra protections.