Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The fruits of the spirit are the embodiment of how God wants you to live.
You will never have such holiness as you get from those fruits by looking to the letter that kills and is the ministry of death and condemnation

Friend, You will never have such holiness as you get from those fruits of the spirit. Jesus Christ is the Substance / Bone / Essence -- <<the embodiment of how God wants you to live>>.
As simple as that, as impossible as that. Christ's righteousness is "The Righteousness of God", and it is "RECKONED to him who believes"--believes "by grace are you saved, through faith / believing: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD"--JESUS CHRIST!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

They never relentlessly stated:
Obey the ten commandments
Why not?
Because that was the OC and the bible terms those laws the letter that kills and the ministration of death and condemnation.

You incorrectly and falsely confuse and identify <<the old covenant>> with <<those laws the Bible (correctly) terms the letter that kills and the ministration of death>>. Those laws the Bible terms the letter that kills and the ministration of death are just that--those laws the Bible correctly terms the letter that kills and the ministration of death. They are not <the old covenant>.
The old covenant is man's oath of (un)faithfulness that has always proven itself to be a false undertaking and a pro rata and a priori failure.
God has always had ONE Covenant, the Eternal Covenant of his grace, in and through Jesus Christ PROVEN TRUE once for all.

 

[BobRyan]

You are asking me to interpret scripture. The prophesy that Laws and times would be perceived to be changed, was given to Daniel; I don't think Gabriel expanded on this so I look to see which of God's Laws have appeared to be change; one is circumcision, another is the abrogation of the Ten Commandments. For times, the Sabbath is changed to Sunday and some throw the seventieth week down to the end of time.

Changing the Sabbath to Sunday would be a bad thing.
The NT never says anything about circumcision being changed - there was never a time when gentiles were required to be circumcised - OT or NT.

Again you are following the wrong Shepard.

Until you notice the details in the Bible.



Genesis 17:13 (NKJV)
13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Does not refer to all those gentiles living in Iran or Canaan or ... just to those who are considered Abraham's family by birth or by slave-ownership.

The point remains. No rules for gentiles to be circumcised in OT or NT.



Genesis 17:23 (NKJV)
23 So Abraham took Ishmael his son, all who were born in his house and all who were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house, and circumcised the flesh of their foreskins that very same day, as God had said to him.

Again it is those who are family members or who are owned as slaves ...

This has nothing to do with converts to the one-true God who were not traveling with Abraham as family members or as slaves owned by Abraham.

Again - the point remains -- No rules for gentiles to be circumcised in OT or NT.

The idea that nobody was converted to the one true God unless they were sold as a slave or a blood relative of Abraham is totaly false. For example Melchizedek is neither a slave owned by Abraham nor a blood relative - yet he too worships the one true God.

Again - the point remains -- No rules for gentiles to be circumcised in OT or NT

Genesis 17:27 (NKJV)
27 and all the men of his house, born in the house or bought with money from a foreigner, were circumcised with him.

Christ's new covenant is made with the lost sheep of Israel and extended to Gentiles; But the New Covenant does not require physical circumcision.

In fact Romans 2 is explicit in that regard.


Rom 2
25 For indeed circumcision is of value if you practice the Law; but if you are a transgressor of the Law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 So if the uncircumcised man keeps the requirements of the Law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision? 27 And he who is physically uncircumcised, if he keeps the Law, will he not judge you who though having the letter of the Law and circumcision are a transgressor of the Law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God

 

[BobRyan]

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

I'm under the new covenant. Why not try it

"Alike is inserted"

"One man OBSERVES one day above another another man observes every day... he who observes the day observes it for the LORD" Romans 14

This is speaking of Bible-approved annual Holy Days not of the pagan days "observed" in Galatians 4 and flatly condemned.

Gal 4
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

 

[BobRyan]

The old way of the written code is looking to the letter of individual commandments and striving to obey them to please God.
IE
People who looked to the Ten Commandments and strove to obey them to be justified, they believed they would attain heaven that way
That's the old covenant

So then for example are you in favor of taking God's name in vain Ex 20:7 or against it?

Jer 31:31-33 says that under the NEW Covenant the LAW of God is written on the heart and mind. Do you accept that scripture?

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

 

[BobRyan]

Accept him who's faith is weak without passing judgement on disputable matters. Rom14:1

What disputable matters is Paul talking about here?

hint - no command in OT for Jews to be vegetarian in fact Passover observance required that they NOT be vegetarian.

1 Cor 8 explain the "vegetarian" issue in the NT - explicitly. Let Paul explain Paul.

6 yet for us (Jews) there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

The "weaker" gentile brother is vegetarian for fear of eating meat offered to idols. Paul volunteers to be vegetarian to keep from offending his weak-faithed gentile Christian brother.

 

[mmksparbud]

BobRyan and SDA, HERE's why I personally, hate you, the SDA. Because you, are the Christian denomination that hammers on Daniel 7:25 but stop your ears from hearing about dozens of instances of the same CRIME against God's Word in specific Scriptures which I have been pointing out to the world including the SDA church for years.
But both the SDA and the whole of the rest of the churches have in their arsenal and have harnessed the invincible weapon and counter strategy to squash this miserable mosquito with, Flat ignore him dead!

Luk_1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
Luk_6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Luk_1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
Luk_6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

For the Son of Man's sake I shall hate anyone who closes his eyes and heart to the Scriptures but opens his heart and conscience to perversions for the sake of being acceptable and respectable to men.

 

[mmksparbud]

For the Son of Man's sake I shall hate anyone who closes his eyes and heart to the Scriptures but opens his heart and conscience to perversions for the sake of being acceptable and respectable to men.

Sorry to hear you can't stand yourself---But take heart--God still loves you.

 

[stuart lawrence]

So then for example are you in favor of taking God's name in vain Ex 20:7 or against it?

Jer 31:31-33 says that under the NEW Covenant the LAW of God is written on the heart and mind. Do you accept that scripture?

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:6

According to Paul, the path the christian is to follow is not one of looking to the written code for obedience. This is what you fail to understand.
You keep referring to the written code, the christian is told to follow after the holy spirit, two different things according to Paul.
The OC was following the written code.
Every time you mention taking the Lords name in vain i will give you the same answer. I suggest you put that question to sda members, from my experience they are the ones who need counselling concerning it

 

[stuart lawrence]

"Alike is inserted"

"One man OBSERVES one day above another another man observes every day... he who observes the day observes it for the LORD" Romans 14

This is speaking of Bible-approved annual Holy Days not of the pagan days "observed" in Galatians 4 and flatly condemned.

Gal 4
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

Tell you what. Give me one verse of scripture from anywhere in the new testament( covenant) that states gentile christians must observe a set seventh day Sabbath and i will go to church next saturday. Hows that?
You have to do gymnastics with what is plainly written to support your errant demands. I have the scripture from the NC, where is yours?

 

[stuart lawrence]

"Alike is inserted"

"One man OBSERVES one day above another another man observes every day... he who observes the day observes it for the LORD" Romans 14

This is speaking of Bible-approved annual Holy Days not of the pagan days "observed" in Galatians 4 and flatly condemned.

Gal 4
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

BTW

You do set aside your tithe on the first day of the week don't you?

On the first day of every week each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income 1 cor16:2

On the first day of the week we came together to break bread
Acts 20:7

 

[stuart lawrence]

hint - no command in OT for Jews to be vegetarian in fact Passover observance required that they NOT be vegetarian.

1 Cor 8 explain the "vegetarian" issue in the NT - explicitly. Let Paul explain Paul.

6 yet for us (Jews) there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. 9 But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone sees you, who have knowledge, dining in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be strengthened to eat things sacrificed to idols? 11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died. 12 And so, by sinning against the brethren and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to stumble, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause my brother to stumble.

The "weaker" gentile brother is vegetarian for fear of eating meat offered to idols. Paul volunteers to be vegetarian to keep from offending his weak-faithed gentile Christian brother.

Vegetarian?

As one who is in the Lord Jesus I am fully convinced that NO( NO) food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean then for him it is unclean. Rom14.14

NO food is unclean!

ALL(ALL) food is clean but it I wrong for a man to eat something that makes another stumble
Verse 20.
Meat is food. ALL food is clean.
I do have a wry smile over all of this. The lengths you go to to do gymnastics with the plain words of the new testement( covenant) in order to follow your version of the OC is quite mind boggling

 

[stuart lawrence]

What then was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgression UNTIL the seed to whom the promise referred had come.
The law was put into effect by a mediator. A mediator however does not just represent one party, but God is one.
Is the law therefore opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law could be given to impart life then righteousness would certainly have come through the law
But the scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner to sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Before this faith came we were held prisoner by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
So the law was put I charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
Now That faith has come we are no longer under the supervision of the law
Gal3:21-25

The law is not based on faith
Gal3:12

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code

No man, you must read this Scripture brave and with a true heart, But now, by dying to the Sabbath that once bound us we have been released from it so that we serve in the new way of our own spirit and not the old way of the written code.

 

[stuart lawrence]

No man, you must read this Scripture brave and with a true heart, But now, by dying to the Sabbath that once bound us we have been released from it so that we serve in the new way of our own spirit and not the old way of the written code.

What does the term born again mean to you?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Is the law therefore opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not!

Absolutely not, except for the Sabbath.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

What does the term born again mean to you?

Bold unwavering honesty in dealing with the Word of God.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Bold unwavering honesty in dealing with the Word of God.

Then I think we should leave it there

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Again - the point remains -- No rules for gentiles to be circumcised in OT or NT.

...but "by the circumcision of CHRIST".
"Ye are COMPLETE (perfect spotless without blemish or wound or scar) IN HIM ... in whom ye are circumcised with the circumcision MADE WITHOUT HANDS in putting off the body of sins of the flesh by the circumcision (wound) of CHRIST. ... And you, being dead in your sins and uncircumcision (woundless pride) of your flesh, hath He quickened TOGETHER WITH HIM" who triumphed "in it ... by the circumcision (wounds) of CHRIST".